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a Christian only topic of vaccine mandates

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LeafByNiggle

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Did you bother to read any of the comments? Here's a sampling.
I read the survey questions. You apparently didn't. Knowing what the choices were is essential to interpreting the results, which by no stretch of the imagination imply that a significant portion of doctors and nurses think the FDA or the CDC is as joke. The comments you sampled also do not say anything that strong. And they are just comments. Comments tend to express the most extreme positions on any survey.
 
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Say it with me... 2021. Your article says that the damage was done by the prior administration.
The words "prior administration" do not appear anywhere in the article I posted. You are referencing this tweet, which has absolutely nothing to do with the article I posted.
 
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I read the survey questions. You apparently didn't.
Yes I did.

Knowing what the choices were is essential to interpreting the results, which by no stretch of the imagination imply that a significant portion of doctors and nurses think the FDA or the CDC is as joke.

You're right. I think the CDC and the FDA are a joke. 77% of doctors and nurses the responded to the survey have decreased trust in the CDC. Both of these statements are true.

You seem to have a very difficult time with conflating things.
 
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Yes I did.
Then you would know that the survey question about trust only had 3 choices: increase, stay the same, or decrease. Choosing "decrease" means not an increase and not staying the same, but it says nothing about how much the trust decreased. It could be a lot, or it could be a tiny bit. They are all classified as "decrease".

You're right. I think the CDC and the FDA are a joke. 77% of doctors and nurses the responded to the survey have decreased trust in the CDC. Both of these statements are true.
They may both be true, but the statement about doctors and nurses does not support your belief that it is a joke.

You seem to have a very difficult time with conflating things.
The word "conflate" means to combine two ideas into one. But these two ideas do not combine. You were the one who tried to conflate them by quoting the survey results to support your belief. They are just two separate ideas. "Conflate" means you can consider the two things to be essentially the same. In this case they are not.
 
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Like I said in a different thread...God doesn't make shoddy material. I will trust my God-given Immune System instead.
 
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Yes, Im glad to see you admit that 77% of the medical professionals when asked said their trust in the CDC had decreased. You don't see that as just a tiny bit problematic?

They may both be true, but the statement about doctors and nurses does not support your belief that it is a joke.

The CDC is a joke. That is my opinion. If you'd like, I can go into great detail and show you multiple examples of why, but I suspect you'd just wave it away anyway. So I'll save us both some time.
 
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Yes, Im glad to see you admit that 77% of the medical professionals when asked said their trust in the CDC had decreased. You don't see that as just a tiny bit problematic?
Only to the extent that rampant misinformation is largely to blame. Yes, even medical professionals can be taken in. Since there is nothing vaguely comparable to the CDC to which the professionals can turn, that still leaves them the most trusted source for the sort of work they do. Certainly I would not turn to random YouTube videos by rogue doctors.
 
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If only there were a new meta-analysis showing the efficacy of various pubic health interventions ...

Oh wait! There is! https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068302

And still people will deny it.
 
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Only to the extent that rampant misinformation is largely to blame.
You have no idea if that's why they chose to say their trust had decreased. In fact, the comments that I posted from the survey undermine that hypothesis.

Since there is nothing vaguely comparable to the CDC to which the professionals can turn, that still leaves them the most trusted source for the sort of work they do. Certainly I would not turn to random YouTube videos by rogue doctors.

"Rogue doctors". Interesting term.

This comment from the survey is relevant to your comment;

The fact that the FDA/CDC/WHO have all shut down any discourse on the topic of COVID that deviates from the official approved narrative is in and of itself questionable, NOT scientific, and extremely misleading.
 
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You have no idea if that's why they chose to say their trust had decreased. In fact, the comments that I posted from the survey undermine that hypothesis.
It is my opinion, just like your opinion is that the CDC is a joke.

"Rogue doctors". Interesting term.
..and accurate. (IMO)

The "fact" mentioned is not a fact, but is, itself, misinformation. The agencies mentioned have not stopped the rogue doctors or others that sow misinformation, and they certainly have not stopped the more legitimate discourse that continues unabated in the medical community. Suggestions to the contrary are merely another conspiracy theory.
 
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It is my opinion, just like your opinion is that the CDC is a joke.

Fair enough. Just don't pretend like you know the motivations for why 2,450 medical professionals chose to say that their trust has decreased in the CDC.
 
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Fair enough. Just don't pretend like you know the motivations for why 2,450 medical professionals chose to say that their trust has decreased in the CDC.

I never said I knew their motivations. I only said that the amount by which their trust has decreased is not indicated in the survey results. It could be anything, and for any reason. In fact, many of the comments indicate they thought the CDC was not strict enough with its masking guidance. I doubt if many of them think vaccines are ineffective.
 
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I only said that the amount by which their trust has decreased is not indicated in the survey results. It could be anything, and for any reason.

Still, when medical professionals were asked has your trust of the CDC increased, stayed the same or decreased, and more than 3/4 of respondents choose decreased, this is cause for concern, wouldn't you say?
 
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Still, when medical professionals were asked has your trust of the CDC increased, stayed the same or decreased, and more than 3/4 of respondents choose decreased, this is cause for concern, wouldn't you say?

Some concern yes, but it is not unexpected, given the extraordinary circumstances, and the amount of misinformation circulating.
 
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Some concern yes, but it is not unexpected, given the extraordinary circumstances, and the amount of misinformation circulating.
It's rather surprising to me that you think it's "not unexpected" that 3/4 of medical professionals have decreased trust in the CDC. You keep implicating "misinformation", yet it doesn't even seem to cross your mind that the constant bumbling and inconsistent messaging of the CDC from day one is to blame.
 
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I think that one sure thing that the outbreak and handling of COVID have done.... is create huge distrust in our government, medical professionals and the media.

I believe that, as more facts are discovered in regards to the FDA, Fauci and the flip flop moving of the goal posts... this distrust will be strengthened.
 
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Absolutely right.

I fully agree that the distrust will grow, and they will have no one to blame but themselves.
 
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