A challenge to Evolutionists? "is bullet time: 'evolution' or 'an effect'?"

[Gottservant]

Hi there,

So I know I say strange things (I am sort of relying on you guys to keep me in check... I can't rely on Evolutionists!).

How ever strange it is, a thought occurred to me: is bullet time an 'evolution' or 'an effect'?

By effect I mean something that can be recreated; by evolution I mean something that encourages more like it, with reference to a range of choices.

As you can see, it is an open question: I just don't know whether that will be eye opening or mind closing...

 

[SkyWriting]

Hi there,

So I know I say strange things (I am sort of relying on you guys to keep me in check... I can't rely on Evolutionists!).

How ever strange it is, a thought occurred to me: is bullet time an 'evolution' or 'an effect'?

By effect I mean something that can be recreated; by evolution I mean something that encourages more like it, with reference to a range of choices.

As you can see, it is an open question: I just don't know whether that will be eye opening or mind closing...

God plans, and then executes each frame of bullet time according to His Master plan for the Cosmos. It's not possible to re-create any steps becasue they are time dependant on millions of variables. Each offspring is a unique blend of two unique parents.

 

[Danielwright2311]

There is a lie going around for the last 100 years and that is God did not create us we just some how came from nothing and evolved.

Please remember, this is a lie, a admitted lie from the devil worshipers from masonic lodges over 100 years ago.

Its on record and it also was boasted about by many of the devil worshipers at that time.

If I can fond a link to the real information i will post it.

 

[greenguzzi]

So I know I say strange things...

Do you now?

Maybe there's a meaning to the phrase "bullet time" that is beyond my ken. I only know it as the "slice of time" visual effect combined with high-speed slo-mo (or VFX that simulate the same).

In which case, it's an effect.

Maybe you see some analogy between bullet time and evolution? Or maybe I'm missing something. Please reveal more of your thoughts.

 

[greenguzzi]

There is a lie going around for the last 100 years and that is God did not create us we just some how came from nothing and evolved.

The concept of evolution has been around since before Socrates. We are talking around 500 years before Christ, maybe even more. Evolution still might be wrong (although the evidence for it is pretty strong). But to say that it's only 100 years old is incorrect.

Its on record and it also was boasted about by many of the devil worshipers at that time.

My grandparents were of this ilk; they never mentioned it to me.

 

[Danielwright2311]

The concept of evolution has been around since before Socrates. We are talking around 500 years before Christ, maybe even more. Evolution still might be wrong (although the evidence for it is pretty strong). But to say that it's only 100 years old is incorrect.


My grandparents were of this ilk; they never mentioned it to me.

Hello, Evolution is not 500 years old, It is only a little over 100 years old, the idea that we evolved from nothing is a new thing.

As far as Socrates is concerned he said nothing about evolving or the big bang.

Im not sure were your getting your information from , I would like to see it.

 

[The Barbarian]

Hello, Evolution is not 500 years old, It is only a little over 100 years old, the idea that we evolved from nothing is a new thing.

Modern evolutionary theory is 150 years old this year. And Darwin himself suggested that God just created the first living things.

As far as Socrates is concerned he said nothing about evolving or the big bang.

Long before Darwin, people realized that some kind of evolution must have happened. Darwin just worked out the way it happens.[/quote]

Im not sure were your getting your information from , I would like to see it.

Darwin's thought that God created the first living things is in the last sentence of On the Origin of Species.

Lamarck introduced the idea of species changing over time to form new species long before Darwin.

 

[greenguzzi]

the idea that we evolved from nothing is a new thing.

I'm not aware of anyone saying that we evolved from nothing! The theory is that various species - including humans - evolved from other species. No credible research is concluding that any species evolved from nothing. What you are describing is known as "spontaneous generation", and is not proven, and was replaced by the theory of evolution.

You are using a straw man argument.

As far as Socrates is concerned he said nothing about evolving or the big bang.

I never said he did - you really like that old straw man don't you! I said that the concept of evolution has been around since before Socrates, I never said that Socrates himself commented on it. (Although he may have done, it's hard to tell because so many people wrote under his name.)

Im not sure were your getting your information from , I would like to see it.

From just about any textbook on the subject, pretty easy to find in any library.

If you specifically mean the pre-Socratic existence of discussions about evolution, then use Google Scholar, it took me less than a minute to find a PDF about Empedocles discussing the possibility of evolution. Many people seem to think that Darwin came up with the idea of evolution. He didn't, the concept has been around for millenia. Darwin proposed a theory to explain how it might actually occur.

 

[Queller]

If you specifically mean the pre-Socratic existence of discussions about evolution, then use Google Scholar, it took me less than a minute to find a PDF about Empedocles discussing the possibility of evolution. Many people seem to think that Darwin came up with the idea of evolution. He didn't, the concept has been around for millenia. Darwin proposed a theory to explain how it might actually occur.

Xenophanes talked about finding fossils 500 years before Christ. Herodotus, Eratosthenes, and Strabo all did the same in the centuries before Christ. Ancient fossil findings are (IMHO) the most likely source for legends about dragons. It's easy to imagine some medieval farmer digging up a fossil pterosaur and coming up with the idea of a dragon. After all, it's not a huge leap of the imagination to go from this:

to this:

 

[The Barbarian]

Xenophanes talked about finding fossils 500 years before Christ. Herodotus, Eratosthenes, and Strabo all did the same in the centuries before Christ. Ancient fossil findings are (IMHO) the most likely source for legends about dragons. It's easy to imagine some medieval farmer digging up a fossil pterosaur and coming up with the idea of a dragon.

One of these was in an ancient Greek museum as an example of a dragon skull...

It's an early giraffe, Samotherium. Looks kinda like a dragon, and with that long neck such fossils would certainly be a good model for a dragon.

 

[Danielwright2311]

I'm not aware of anyone saying that we evolved from nothing! The theory is that various species - including humans - evolved from other species. No credible research is concluding that any species evolved from nothing. What you are describing is known as "spontaneous generation", and is not proven, and was replaced by the theory of evolution.

You are using a straw man argument.

I never said he did - you really like that old straw man don't you! I said that the concept of evolution has been around since before Socrates, I never said that Socrates himself commented on it. (Although he may have done, it's hard to tell because so many people wrote under his name.)

From just about any textbook on the subject, pretty easy to find in any library.

If you specifically mean the pre-Socratic existence of discussions about evolution, then use Google Scholar, it took me less than a minute to find a PDF about Empedocles discussing the possibility of evolution. Many people seem to think that Darwin came up with the idea of evolution. He didn't, the concept has been around for millenia. Darwin proposed a theory to explain how it might actually occur.

Yes, there has to be something to evolve from, the very first living being had to come from something, how could you not understand this? no offence, just wondering.

Then why bring up Socrates at all if you do not want me or others to think that's what you meant?

So why not give me a real link to real men who believed evolution before Socrates?

You not helping your own argument on evolution just by telling me to google something. And even if one or two people thought upon the ides we come from nothing still does not prove evolution in any way.

I have been screaming the fact that death proves evolution wrong 100 percent for years, we all die, every one and every living thing, nothing lives long enough to evolve into anything. Genes do not evolve and dna does not evolve, so that puts it to bed right there dead.

I'm just trying to figure out how your logic helps the argument.

 

[greenguzzi]

...how could you not understand this? no offence, just wondering.

Because your words were vague.

Then why bring up Socrates at all if you do not want me or others to think that's what you meant?

My words, and meaning were clear and precise. I used Socrates because I know that most people would have heard of him, the others, not so much: Socrates is a pretty important touchstone.

So why not give me a real link to real men who believed evolution before Socrates?

I don't like giving links, it's a quirk of mine. If you are interested in the ideas I am pointing towards, you will do your own research. If you aren't, you won't.

You not helping your own argument on evolution just by telling me to google something.

If I had given a link, it would be quite reasonable to assume I had cherry-picked something that agrees with my view. I was encouraging you to check for yourself; much more balanced.

More importantly, I was also trying to encourage you to use Google Scholar, which isn't the same as "Googling it". You seemed to have missed that point, or maybe you are already an avid user of Google Scholar. I don't know many people who are, so sorry if I made a wrong assumption.

I'm just trying to figure out how your logic helps the argument.

My logic is sound and consistent with my argument, although I could expand it if I thought it would be helpful.

I have been screaming the fact that death proves evolution wrong 100 percent for years, we all die, every one and every living thing, nothing lives long enough to evolve into anything. Genes do not evolve and dna does not evolve, so that puts it to bed right there dead.

Anyone can scream anything they like - that doesn't make it true. The evidence doesn't back up your belief. Or do you have a well researched and credible hypothesis of your own? If so, you could link to it here. (My dislike of links doesn't extend to stuff we wrote ourselves.)

 

[Queller]

I have been screaming the fact that death proves evolution wrong 100 percent for years, we all die, every one and every living thing, nothing lives long enough to evolve into anything.

You have an incorrect idea of evolution. No single living organism evolves into anything else during its lifetime. I hope you don't have the idea that evolution posits that a dog will turn into a cat, or even that a dog will give birth to a cat. That's not an insult, it's exactly what some anti-evolutionists believe. Kent Hovind for one.

Genes do not evolve and dna does not evolve

DNA does, in fact, evolve. That what happens when a mutation occurs.

 

[The Barbarian]

I have been screaming the fact that death proves evolution wrong 100 percent for years, we all die, every one and every living thing, nothing lives long enough to evolve into anything. Genes do not evolve and dna does not evolve, so that puts it to bed right there dead.

Individuals don't evolve. Populations do. And yes, genes evolve. Which means DNA evolves. Would you like some examples.

I'm just trying to figure out how your logic helps the argument.

Knowing what you're talking about would be a good start.

 

[greenguzzi]

Yes, there has to be something to evolve from, the very first living being had to come from something.

The creation of the first living thing isn't evolution, it is abiogenesis. Evolution can only occur after a self replicating organism exists. We were talking about evolution. There is no modern concept or claim such as evolution from nothing. As I said, straw man argument.