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A challenge to DURANG0

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by Arikay, Feb 16, 2004.

  1. Arikay

    Arikay HI

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    Yes, we know you can copy and paste shotgun posts.
    Now the question is, do your abilities extend to selecting 5 of those 75?
     
  2. Arikay

    Arikay HI

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    Exactly, im allowing him to pick the terms, only term im making is that for this post it needs to be limited to a max of 5, to keep down on the size of forum posts.

    The only reason I see for him to not want to choose is because it gets rid of the excuse that "the worse ones were chosen and that it proves nothing." But if they are all true, why would he need that excuse to begin with?

     
  3. ObbiQuiet

    ObbiQuiet Eating Heart

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    C'mon, he sees where it would lead. If he posted his best five we would refute it, leaving him with what? 45 arguments that weren't as good? If those five could be refuted, what does that say about the arguments that weren't as good?

    However, if we chose five to refute, he could simply say "those weren't good arguments to begin with, but the rest are" leaving us with a huge mound of horse poo to sort through.

    Durango, choose the five best.
     
  4. ab1385

    ab1385 Respect my authoritah!

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    To demand an apology is not very christian, yet that comment was not directed at you. If you took it personally, then I am sorry. It was directed at the many creatists who have said that to me, and to the creationist websites which I have seen claiming this.

    It wasnt a personal insult. :)
     
  5. Brahe

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    There's simply no need to even try. DURANG0 humiliates himself! Let's read a few of the gems he just presented:

    15. Controversy over our Shrinking Sun
    16. The White Dwarf Star Sirius B Mystery
    42. Population Statistics
    43. Earth Heat - Earth young based on considerations of existing temperature gradient in the earth and its rate of cooling
    48. Niagra Falls and the rate of its edge wearing away
    49. The existence of Hydrogen still in the universe
    50. The existence of Atmospheric Oxygen
    57. Salt in the Ocean

    And then there are the claims which even he admits are too stupid, but are presented anyway for some reason:
    1. The amount of dust on the moon's surface - I understand this argument is generally no longer used due to more up to date rates of processes and info. being utilized (i.e. Snelling's article in TEN Tech J)
    30. Dinosaur Tracks & Man Tracks at Paluxy - Generally no longer used by most creationists

    And finally, there are the incredibly vague:
    6. The Moon, i.e. Lunar Material with high levels of radioactivity
    7. Types of Radiation that shouldn't be in existence on the Moon
    11. Lack of emitted Neutrinos from the sun
    17. The Missing Mass Problem
    26. The Second Law of Thermodynamics

    Claim 11 particularly interests me. Is DURANG0 trying to imply that the Sun does not fuse hydrogen into helium or something?!

    It's as if DURANG0 went to Kent Hovind to look for evidence against an ancient Earth!
     
  6. Hydra009

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    Look, Durango, Arkikay is asking you politely to elaborate on a few points you have made regarding creationism so it can be discussed in detail. The only reason you have to shy away from such an offer is if none of them are valid arguments.

    If you don't pick 5 in your next post, I will pick 5 randomly.
    And if you don't post in this thread in 24 hours from my post, then I will pick randomly.
     
  7. Frumious Bandersnatch

    Frumious Bandersnatch Contributor

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    None are valid and at least two of them, 59 and 60 directly contradict each other as I pointed out before. There is a good reason this list is referred to as the PRATT list. It has already been pointed out to you that many of the other claims are based on outright lies. Number 43 has been known to be false since the discovery of radioactive decay and radiogenic heat production in the earth early in the 20th century. I would say that you have a lot of nerve telling someone else to study.

    The frumious Bandersnatch
     
  8. michabo

    michabo reason, evidence

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    That's some list. Can any one of them stand up? I agree, we need to constrain our attention to a few at a time.

    Some I know, some I don't so I'm keen to hear what both sides have to say.
     
  9. Frumious Bandersnatch

    Frumious Bandersnatch Contributor

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    When some can be shown to be outright lies, such as the claim of no paleosols, some can be shown to be evidence against YEC such as the space dust argument, some can be shown to be irrelevant, such as the claims about Niagra Falls and some directly contradict each other such as claim that lack of bioturbation(this is also false) is evidence for the flood and that the presence of animal tracks(which are bioturbation) is evidence for the flood, why would anyone bother to take any of them seriously?

    The frumious Bandersnatch
     
  10. USincognito

    USincognito Do u? Supporter

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    This needs to be excised from your list immediately. Naigara Falls is considered to be a recent (geologically speaking) topographic feature becuase prior 11,000 years or so ago, that area was under the glacial sheets of the last Ice Age.

    It's this sort of ignorance that makes YECers such a laughing stock.
     
  11. Janus

    Janus I smolder with generic rage

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    Um, I didn't see there were 4 pages to this thread. Never mind.
     
  12. Pete Harcoff

    Pete Harcoff PeteAce - In memory of WinAce

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    The Sun's magnetic field decays after 11 years. I guess this means the Sun's only 11 years old. Oh wait, the field then reverses. Hmmm...
     
  13. Will13

    Will13 Active Member

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    I feel that since Arikay has called out Durango then this should be b/w the two of them to debate. I'm tired of reading this "team" attacking one person. Let them settle this b/w themselves with everyone else keeping out. Its more exciting to watch a real debate amongst two people instead of this mob mentality assault. I think Arikay called him out fair and square, and deserves somewhat of an answer from Durango.....I'm not taking sides, just want to see what each has to offer w/o EVERYONE ELSE!
     
  14. ObbiQuiet

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    This only proves the creationist model, since the sun is just a giant ball of fire, not a magnet!

    Silly evolutionists.
     
  15. Bushido216

    Bushido216 Well-Known Member

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    No one has offered to refute anything DURANG0 has posted or will post. Basically we're all wondering why DURANG0 has his tail between his legs.
     
  16. Nathan Poe

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    Speak for yourself; I'm not wondering. It's plainly obvious to me...
     
  17. ThePhoenix

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    I'll stop posting the minute Durang0 starts.
     
  18. LibertyChic

    LibertyChic Finally Free To Be Me

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    Honest/Humble....I think they are interchangable. ;)
     
  19. Bushido216

    Bushido216 Well-Known Member

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    Oh... give the poor man a break.
     
  20. ab1385

    ab1385 Respect my authoritah!

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    ...especially as he's not here any more.
     
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