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Why are "right" and "wrong" involved when it isn't a moral judgment?
You do realise this didn't literally, actually happen, don't you? You do realise that this isn't ACTUAL history being reported, don't you?
Presumably, the question you'd ask yourself in such a situation would be: "Is God more likely to know what he's talking about than a snake?"1 person says "if you do this, bad stuff will happen."
Another says, "If you do this, great stuff will happen."
Sounds like a moral decision to me...
Why not? Because you dont like it? because you dont think its possible? Because you cant stand the story of God creating the world?
Planet Earth was the scene of the conflict of good and evil. I believe if Adam and Eve did not fall for the snake, the tree would of been later removed. This was the ultimate test and all the celestial beings were watching. Remember there had just been a civil war and 1/3 of the angels had choosen the Devil's side. This was the ultimatium.
Tell me why it cant be history?
Is it history that Jesus died and rose again? or was Jospehus on pot?
Go back and re-read posts 63, 64 and 65 of this thread and then re-read Genesis 2 :16-17 again and then maybe you will understand why I posted this passage. And as far as "dead" is concerned, do you believe you are dead right now? Why did Adam die? He disobeyed, "sinned" against God.
And because of God's great love, He did not abandon us.
The 1 Kings and 2 Chronicles passages are the same account, and like most skeptics you can take portions of scripture and twist and distort them to make God out to be someone He is not. If you read the ealier verses you will see it was not God who lied. God wanted Ahab to fall, so he allowed a lying spirit to cause a great deception. As a result, Ahab went to Ramothgilead, and fell.
Now lets take the two accounts in Jeremiah. You do notice that Jeremiah is assuming this because of what has gone down around him? But if you read on you will see God informs Jeremiah of the truth in the matter.
Jeremiah 14:12-15
When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and an oblation, I will not accept them: but I will consume them by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence.
Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them, Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place.
Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart. Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.
Now for Ezekial 14:9 I will post the Amplified version of this verse so you might better understand what is being said
9[The prophet has not been granted permission to give an answer to the hypocritical inquirer] but if the prophet does give the man the answer he desires [thus allowing himself to be a party to the inquirer's sin], I the Lord will see to it that the prophet is deceived in his answer, and I will stretch out My hand against him and will destroy him from the midst of My people Israel.
Once again you seem to be drawing your conclusions with just a portion of the message given, read the whole context of the story.
Lets get the whole story here as well, and keep in mind this is a prophecy not yet come about, but very close.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-12
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
There is a perfectly good reason for God doing all this. For who knows the mind of God that they may instruct Him? There is no searching His total understanding. Even like Eve in the garden who was deceived by Satan , the father of all lies is trying to deceive you now in telling you God is a lier. Who do you think is going to benefit by this? Or suffer? When I consider these next verse I think I just might have wasted my time.
1 Corinthians 2:10-14
10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
You do realise this didn't literally, actually happen, don't you? You do realise that this isn't ACTUAL history being reported, don't you?
Even the gospels themselves are a mixed bag especially when you add in the apocrypha, which usually upsets religious fundamentalists.
Why not? Because you dont like it? because you dont think its possible? Because you cant stand the story of God creating the world?
Tell me why it cant be history?
Is it history that Jesus died and rose again? or was Jospehus on pot?
Presumably, the question you'd ask yourself in such a situation would be: "Is God more likely to know what he's talking about than a snake?"
No?
I'd be more inclined to wonder how the serpent could know what he claims to know. Adam knew that the tree was in the Garden before he got there and then saw all the animals made and then named them. The serpent is a newcomer to the garden from Adam's point of view.Or possibly, "is God lying to me?"
I'd be more inclined to wonder how the serpent could know what he claims to know. Adam knew that the tree was in the Garden before he got there and then saw all the animals made and then named them. The serpent is a newcomer to the garden from Adam's point of view.
I thought that the snake, being an animal, was made at the same time as all the othjer animals. According to the Bible, anyway...
On reading it through again I think I saw more conflict in the two passages than there really is. I was wrong, the animals come first, Gen 2 implies past tense when talking about the animals forming.Yeah, but depending on whether you're reading Genesis 1 or Genesis 2, Adam either came after or before the non-human animals.
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