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Not to imply that we aught not strive for knowlege of what is, but;So the things God has designed, He may have designed to be built using proximate tools, i.e. scientifically-understandable physical or biological processes.
My little favourite is an abiogenic one. Now with the advent of HGT it is theorised that many primitive cells arose and genetically transfered genetic material amongst the individuals such that they all became much the same. This refuted the initial claim of a single cell arising to lead to all life.
What on earth does the net exchange of heat and energy in the universe have anything to do with the theory of evolution? Explain how those are incompatible and I will attempt to harmonize them. Also, this is a discussion about evolution, not the big bang, two entirely separate things.
Theyre saying that viruses themselves are actually the remains of dead cells. They're eaten and recycled.Hi Greg1234
Yes ERV's are interesting and their study is in a fledgling state. I looked at the link and am still not quite sure what to make of it.
ERV's are now being found to have function, as a creationist would predict, and have always predicted of the genome and body organs. Up untill now ERV's, or rather the remnants found, were seen as useless relics and remnants. Lets not forget that what is found is described as having 'huge deletions and nonsense mutations'. It really bamboozles me as to how a researcher can provide this description and then in the same breath say they are the same or similar.
In actual fact I would go so far as to say these ERV's look nothing like the ERVs seen in species today. Virus mutate, change, do the HGT thing on top of being described as having undergone huge deletions and having nonsense mutations. If they are identifiable after 20 million years, they have not evolved. I would say it would be actually impossible to identify a true connection between species today and how they are connected by ERVs today.
So of the two sides, creation vs evolution it appears to me that creationists have got it right all along while evolutionists have had to adjust their initial idea. If a theory or prediction is meant to be upheld by more data and observation, then I would say this is one example of creationists having a theory that meets the challenge of predictability better than common descent. This is just one example of a creationist prediction that continues to be validated with new data and continually confirmed. That is science.
ERV's can be explained under a theoretical creationist paradigm that also concurs with an ongoing continually confirmed prediction.
However making a statement of evolutionary prediction ie ERVs are nothing more than remnants of bygone viral infections and this proves common descent; Then, needing to adjust it to suit possible functionality, appears to be less convincing and requires much more faith than believing the creationist model, that is consistently validated.
This then, appears to be a prediction that satisfies the initial request in question 1.
What do you think?
The First Law states energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred. Thus for energy to be created it must have been done by an infinite source outside of time space and matter.
The Second Law states that all things head towards entropy. This is why variations and mutations we see today only reduce genetics - a tendency towards destruction not creation.
All of nature obeys the first and second laws of thermodynamics.
The Big Bang is a required feature of evolution, as much as many try to dismiss it as not part of evolution, in actual fact, if there was no big bang, there is no evolution.
I consider evolution, or devolution, as the case may be (mock on) as the addition to, or subtraction of substantive quantities of DNA, respectively.
Not that neither exist, but if they did..
I realized, on reading internet posts, that some arguments made are possibly useful indicators of a person's length of length of involvement/history with the topic.
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Lets not forget that what is found is described as having 'huge deletions and nonsense mutations'. It really bamboozles me as to how a researcher can provide this description and then in the same breath say they are the same or similar.
Yes.The First Law states energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred.
If energy was indeed created, then it must have done so by a violation of the First Law. That it had to be done by an infinite source outside time and space is purely speculation.Thus for energy to be created it must have been done by an infinite source outside of time space and matter.
No, it doesn't.The Second Law states that all things head towards entropy.
Mutation has nothing to do with the Second Law. It is also false that they only "reduce genetics".This is why variations and mutations we see today only reduce genetics - a tendency towards destruction not creation.
Completely wrong. If steady-state theories had turned to be true, it would have had no effect on evolutionary biology at all. If you could show that God created the universe miraculously in pretty much its present state five billion years ago, it would also have no effect on evolutionary biology.The Big Bang is a required feature of evolution, as much as many try to dismiss it as not part of evolution, in actual fact, if there was no big bang, there is no evolution.
Why would creationism predict that all of the genome should have function? Does creationism predict that everything in the universe has a function? And why would evolution preclude some ERVs from being useful? ERV insertions are just a type of mutation, and the whole point of Darwinian evolution is that mutations can be functionally useful.ERV's are now being found to have function, as a creationist would predict, and have always predicted of the genome and body organs. Up untill now ERV's, or rather the remnants found, were seen as useless relics and remnants.
Which is to say, you don't know how to compare sequences. Geneticists do, however.Lets not forget that what is found is described as having 'huge deletions and nonsense mutations'. It really bamboozles me as to how a researcher can provide this description and then in the same breath say they are the same or similar.
Well, you can certainly say that. You can say you're a turnip, too. Neither is true. (Assuming you're not really a root vegetable, that is. On the internet, one can never be sure.)In actual fact I would go so far as to say these ERV's look nothing like the ERVs seen in species today.
Humans mutate, too, and undergo huge deletions in their genomes (vastly bigger deletions than anything seen in ERVs) and nonsense mutations, too. Yet we have no difficulty telling that they're genetically related.Virus mutate, change, do the HGT thing on top of being described as having undergone huge deletions and having nonsense mutations. If they are identifiable after 20 million years, they have not evolved. I would say it would be actually impossible to identify a true connection between species today and how they are connected by ERVs today.
I have often seen the claim that ERVs, or any other piece of genetic data, can be explained equally well under a creationist paradigm, yet for some reason the explanation is never forthcoming. Why do closely related but different species have the same ERVs (and yes, you really can tell that they're the same ERVs) in the identical places in their genomes. Why do ERVs fall into families that themselves show genetic relatedness? Why are older ERV insertions (as measured by the number of mutations in them) shared across larger numbers of species?ERV's can be explained under a theoretical creationist paradigm that also concurs with an ongoing continually confirmed prediction.
No adjustment was needed, I'm afraid. There was never any reason to think that all ERV insertions would prove to be nonfunctional. Now if you could show that every ERV was functional, that would indeed be surprising. But that's not going to happen. Call that an evolutionary predictionHowever making a statement of evolutionary prediction ie ERVs are nothing more than remnants of bygone viral infections and this proves common descent; Then, needing to adjust it to suit possible functionality, appears to be less convincing and requires much more faith than believing the creationist model, that is consistently validated.
I'm pretty sure mine are. I'm an absolute layman when it comes to biology.
....you can still trust the Word of the One who created the universe.
Why would creationism predict that all of the genome should have function? Does creationism predict that everything in the universe has a function? And why would evolution preclude some ERVs from being useful? ERV insertions are just a type of mutation, and the whole point of Darwinian evolution is that mutations can be functionally useful.
The point being that creationists never accepted there would be junk DNA in God creation. Evolutionists did call non coding DNA junk and without function, and you are now finding it is not junk at all an neither are ERV's. Hence if new data is meant to confirm and validate a theory it is the creationist predictions that are being shown to be consistent rather than having to elvolve your own theories to suit what you have found. That is the inescapable point you need to deal with.
Which is to say, you don't know how to compare sequences. Geneticists do, however.
The words 'huge deletions and nonsense mutations' in itself descibes two comparisons that are not alike. One does not need a degree in science to read what is plainly said. What you find are relics, ghosts, by the use of complicated models based on probabilities and assumptions, and still all you get are 'remnants' with huge genomic deletions and nonsense mutations. One does not need a degree to see what is going on here.
Well, you can certainly say that. You can say you're a turnip, too. Neither is true. (Assuming you're not really a root vegetable, that is. On the internet, one can never be sure.)
This is your fairytale so I suppose we should not expect consistency nor common sense. These virus should have 'evolved' differently in the various species. Hence through their own evolution differences in the virus should have occured. It seriously all appears to be straw grabbing.
Humans mutate, too, and undergo huge deletions in their genomes (vastly bigger deletions than anything seen in ERVs) and nonsense mutations, too. Yet we have no difficulty telling that they're genetically related.
Actually if you give some DNA on a swab to a lab you have to tell them what species it is or they are unable to set up the comparisons. It is not as straight forward as you are suggesting.
I have often seen the claim that ERVs, or any other piece of genetic data, can be explained equally well under a creationist paradigm, yet for some reason the explanation is never forthcoming. Why do closely related but different species have the same ERVs (and yes, you really can tell that they're the same ERVs) in the identical places in their genomes. Why do ERVs fall into families that themselves show genetic relatedness? Why are older ERV insertions (as measured by the number of mutations in them) shared across larger numbers of species?
I am saying and I will repeat, once an ERV is transfered horizontally and hits the germ line they become endogenous. Hence unrelated species may share similar ERv's that have nothing to do with ancestry.
Contrary to being junk DNA, HERVs are thought to play at least three major roles. One role is to control the regulation of genes (the expression of proteins from genes).1.Members of the HERV-K family are typically found in areas near genes.1 The regulatory role of HERVs has been demonstrated in the liver, placenta, colon, and other locations.1 It was recently reported that an endogenous retrovirus in sheep was necessary for maintaining pregnancy, as it was important in the formation of the placenta.3(Answersingenesis)
So one again what you thought were nothing more than ancestral remnants have been shown to have vital function. It is only a matter of time before all ERV's 'remnants' are found to have function. So again creationist predictions on this remain constant, non changing and continually validated...and by a science that is biased against creation and assumes common descent. Is it a miracle?.
No adjustment was needed, I'm afraid. There was never any reason to think that all ERV insertions would prove to be nonfunctional. Now if you could show that every ERV was functional, that would indeed be surprising. But that's not going to happen. Call that an evolutionary prediction
Oh I'd say calling ervs nothing more than a useless remnants then finding some have vital functions is a recanting woopsie that evolutionists go through so often I am sure you hardly notice it
Why would creationism predict that all of the genome should have function? Does creationism predict that everything in the universe has a function? And why would evolution preclude some ERVs from being useful? ERV insertions are just a type of mutation, and the whole point of Darwinian evolution is that mutations can be functionally useful.
Well then Your researchers should not have screamed how this evolutionary remnant is functionless and this proves evolution only to recant and say these provide function and that also proves evolution is true. This is a good example of TOE being unfalsifiable. No matter what 'it proves evolution', at least for the month.
The point being that creationists never accepted there would be junk DNA in Gods creation. They have never erred from this concept. There has been no going with the flow and knee jerk reactions to make evidence fit. Evolutionists did call non coding DNA junk and asserted until recently it had no function, and you are now finding it is not junk at all an neither are ERV's. Hence if new data is meant to confirm and validate a theory it is the creationist predictions that are being shown to be consistent rather than having to elvolve your own theories to suit what you have found. That is the inescapable point you need to deal with.
Which is to say, you don't know how to compare sequences. Geneticists do, however.
The words 'huge deletions and nonsense mutations' in itself descibes two comparisons that are not alike. One does not need a degree in science to read what is plainly said. What you find are relics, ghosts, by the use of complicated models based on probabilities and assumptions, and still all you get are 'remnants' with huge genomic deletions and nonsense mutations. One does not need a degree to see what is going on here.
Well, you can certainly say that. You can say you're a turnip, too. Neither is true. (Assuming you're not really a root vegetable, that is. On the internet, one can never be sure.)
This is your fairytale so I suppose we should not expect consistency nor common sense. These virus should have 'evolved' differently in the various species. Hence through their own evolution differences in the virus should have occured. It seriously all appears to be straw grabbing.
Humans mutate, too, and undergo huge deletions in their genomes (vastly bigger deletions than anything seen in ERVs) and nonsense mutations, too. Yet we have no difficulty telling that they're genetically related.
Actually if you give some DNA on a swab to a lab you have to tell them what species it is or they are unable to set up the comparisons. It is not as straight forward as you are suggesting.
I have often seen the claim that ERVs, or any other piece of genetic data, can be explained equally well under a creationist paradigm, yet for some reason the explanation is never forthcoming. Why do closely related but different species have the same ERVs (and yes, you really can tell that they're the same ERVs) in the identical places in their genomes. Why do ERVs fall into families that themselves show genetic relatedness? Why are older ERV insertions (as measured by the number of mutations in them) shared across larger numbers of species?
I am saying and I will repeat, once an ERV is transfered horizontally and hits the germ line they become endogenous. Hence unrelated species may share similar ERv's that have nothing to do with ancestry.
"Contrary to being “junk” DNA, HERVs are thought to play at least three major roles. One role is to control the regulation of genes (the expression of proteins from genes).1Members of the HERV-K family are typically found in areas near genes.1 The regulatory role of HERVs has been demonstrated in the liver, placenta, colon, and other locations.1 It was recently reported that an endogenous retrovirus in sheep was necessary for maintaining pregnancy, as it was important in the formation of the placenta." (Answersingenesis)
So you are trying to establish that the deactivated remnant of a bug that has huge genomic deletions and nonsense mutations is responsible for a sheep maintaining pregnancy are you? It appears to be a functioning and necessary part of the creation to me. Does this same ERV provide the same function in other species? No. So now evos are trying to say that bug remnants are intelligent and just know what function to perform and where they need to reside n the genome?
And I am not even going near ERV's having preferential sites as another explanation for any homology seen and I can't be bothered speaking to genetic homology in distantly related species, which you should be aware of.
So once again what you thought were nothing more than ancestral remnants have been shown to have vital function. It is only a matter of time before all ERV's 'remnants' are found to have function. So again creationist predictions on this remain constant, non changing and continually validated...and by a science that is biased against creation and assumes common descent. Is it a miracle?.
No adjustment was needed, I'm afraid. There was never any reason to think that all ERV insertions would prove to be nonfunctional. Now if you could show that every ERV was functional, that would indeed be surprising. But that's not going to happen. Call that an evolutionary prediction
Oh I'd say calling ervs nothing more than a useless remnants then finding some have vital functions is a recanting woopsie that evolutionists go through so often I am sure you hardly notice it
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