A Baptist...for most of my life

[sentipente]

Women in prophecy represent churches. We know the woman that rides the beast is the mother of all harlots. The Reformers have clearly identified this beast power as Rome. The 'daughters' under question here would be apostate Protestantism, those churches who have incorporated Rome's teachings into thier systems.

Any church fitting the bill would fall under this category.

That includes every single church on the earth today. Most forget the most important doctrine of the Catholic church was developed by Aquinas who offered that matters of theology are subject only to the interpretation of the church as the mouthpiece of the Creator. All churches/denominations follow the Roman Catholic church on that doctrine.

 

[SassySDA]

SassySDA,
I am a moderate SDA. I also love the pillars of the church and wouldn't for a moment wish them broken or vandalized. God led me to this church by a series of uncanny events that made me sure SDA was where He wants me. If I ever started having doubts about the pillars, woe to me, because, like Peter said, where else would I go?

Having said that, I learned that no organization is perfect. We hold this treasure (the gospel of Christ) in earthen vessels. I have learned over the years to love all the diversity in our Church and to accept people who think differently than me and do it lovingly. If I really take exception to their unorthodoxy, either I tell them politely in private- it I feel it is my place to do so- or I leave them alone and pray for them. But I never invite people to the exit door of the church.

Would you not invite someone to visit your church if they smoke or drank or caroused or had tatoos? Well, what about unorthodox doctrines? Again, I think everyone is better off in this church than outside- regardless of individual beliefs or habits. If we take exception to something I recommend letting the Holy Spirit take care of that. Who knows, someone might teach us something if we're open-minded. That wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

I made a promise to someone that I wasn't going to resort to "squabbling" in this thread, because that was not my intent with the posting of this thread, so it is clearly not my intent now.

I just want to clear something up.

I'm not encouraging anyone to leave the church.

I simply stated that that is what I would do if I didn't agree with it's doctrine. For to me, to do otherwise, to stay even when I no longer agreed with her would be hypocritical. I AM NOT SAYING THAT IT IS FOR ANYONE ELSE. NOTICE I USED THE WORDS, "For to ME".

I would not even begin to try and "argue", "debate", or get anyone inside of those church walls "to get" what I no longer agreed with. I have learned enough in this forum to know just how futile that would be. Therefore, I would simply leave them in peace.

 

[TrustAndObey]

I made a promise to someone that I wasn't going to resort to "squabbling" in this thread, because that was not my intent with the posting of this thread, so it is clearly not my intent now.

I just want to clear something up.

I'm not encouraging anyone to leave the church.

I simply stated that that is what I would do if I didn't agree with it's doctrine. For to me, to do otherwise, to stay even when I no longer agreed with her would be hypocritical. I AM NOT SAYING THAT IT IS FOR ANYONE ELSE. NOTICE I USED THE WORDS, "For to ME".

I would not even begin to try and "argue", "debate", or get anyone inside of those church walls "to get" what I no longer agreed with. I have learned enough in this forum to know just how futile that would be. Therefore, I would simply leave them in peace.

Sassy, I hope you didn't think *I* was saying that you implied people needed to leave the church. I know for a fact that's not what you want, so if I even came close to looking like I thought that was your intent, I really didn't mean to.

 

[SassySDA]

Sassy, I hope you didn't think *I* was saying that you implied people needed to leave the church. I know for a fact that's not what you want, so if I even came close to looking like I thought that was your intent, I really didn't mean to.

No sis, it wasn't you.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Whew.

Hey Sassy, I've read the post in the "Who wants to be a moderator" thread about three times now and I STILL don't know if you accepted the nominations. <laughing>

So did you?

 

[Telaquapacky]

I just want to clear something up.

I'm not encouraging anyone to leave the church.

Hi, Sassy!
Good! Just checking. Because I used to take the attitude that dissenters ought to leave the church.

 

[sentipente]

The worst I have seen is when two churches hired local police to keep certain people from entering their church buildings on Sabbath.

 

[Telaquapacky]

Doesn't EGW have counsel on that sort of thing?

Senti, gutter-minds think alike.

I'm told that EGW and her Bible Study friends, our pioneers, took this verse...

Micah 2:1 Woe to them that devise iniquity, and work evil upon their beds! when the morning is light, they practice it, because it is in the power of their hand.

...to apply to the... subject at hand. Now, I'm not saying they're wrong about the morality of, you know, what Trust was alluding to, but I always thought that verse was talking about the rich oppressing the poor. Then again what do I know?

 

[NightEternal]

That includes every single church on the earth today. Most forget the most important doctrine of the Catholic church was developed by Aquinas who offered that matters of theology are subject only to the interpretation of the church as the mouthpiece of the Creator. All churches/denominations follow the Roman Catholic church on that doctrine.

Whoops, correction. I should have said those churches that have incorporated her FALSE teachings.

This false doctrinal teaching would, of course, be represented by cup of the wine of her adulteries and fornications, the cup mother harlot is holding proudly. The same cup that the daughters are drunk on.



Much rich symbolism in Revelation to be sure.

 

[sentipente]

The idea that matters of theology are only subject to church interpretation is also false doctrine and it lies at the root of all doctrines developed by the churches.

 

[Telaquapacky]

The worst I have seen is when two churches hired local police to keep certain people from entering their church buildings on Sabbath.

Yeah? I was in a church one time when it was all the elders and deacons could do to keep themselves from picking up the pastor from the platform and carrying him out of the church!

 

[NightEternal]

But I believe these conclusions can be reached by sound Scriptural study. True, it is the much -decried, classic, Adventist proof-text method that gets one there, but the proof-text method is not always a bad way to do exegesis.

 

[Telaquapacky]

But I believe these conclusions can be reached by sound Scriptural study. True, it is the much -decried, classic, Adventist proof-text method that gets one there, but the proof-text method is not always a bad way to do exegesis.

Jon Pauline straightened me out on one of my beauties, when he explained to me the difference between systematic theology and exegesis.