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A Baptist...for most of my life

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I left the Baptist church and it's teachings behind me, when I "converted"...for lack of a better word...to the Seventh-day Adventist Church, over two years ago.

When I left, as I said above, I left those teachings behind me. I didn't drag even one of them with me to my new church....at least not any of them that contradict the teachings of the church I have chosen to be a faithful member of.

If I all of a sudden came to the realization that Ellen White wasn't no prophetess, and that the second coming was going to be silent, and all of a sudden people would just start disappearing, like in the Left Behind Series, I would go back to the Baptist Church I was raised in. I would leave the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and all of the teachings that contradicted the Baptist teachings. I would leave her peacefully. I would go my way, with fond memories.

I simply do not now, nor have I ever understood the constant bickering in here. If it is "fundamentalist" to believe in the basic teachings of one's church, and not be interested in listening to others who are SUPPOSED to be of the same faith, tear those teachings apart, then I guess I'm a fundamentalist...shoot me.

I do NOT understand, nor do I see the necessity to tear the Seventh-day Adventist Church apart at the seams. Those of you who don't go along with all of the fundamental beliefs, or some of the other things that she stands for, then you have every right to leave this church. I think the problem is that you don't want to make a clean break, you want to drag a part of the church with you. You want to change it into being what YOU think is the right way to "believe". Unfortunately, the church belongs to people who DO believe in her fundamental teachings, and those of us who DO believe, who don't have any problems in believing those teachings, aren't going to let her go.
Nor would we sit quietly by and watch someone try to change those beliefs. So naturally there is going to be discord.

I don't want to attempt to change anyone's beliefs or thoughts on this. I simply want to be left alone to enjoy my church, my faith, my church family and fellowship without having to answer constant questions about it, or explain WHY I'm happy with her just the way she is.

If I sound like I think I have more of a right to this peace, than those who want to...have a right to destroy that peace, it's because I do. I'm not the one that is unhappy with the basic beliefs and teachings of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, a church that I'm a baptized member of. This is my church, my faith, my heart, my love, and I don't want to participate in the tearing down of her walls. Because I am a member of what I consider to be the "original" or hey, "Traditional" if you will, Seventh-day Adventist church, I just won't participate in her destruction, even it is only by word.

If it makes me less intelligent to be HAPPY with my church and it's belief system, then so be it. I'd rather be happy, in LOVE with my God, and be at peace.

I pray that those who do not HAVE that peace, will find it.

Blessings, many blessings to one and all.
 

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The important issue here is what role the individual believes the church plays in his life. Sassy and Honor clearly have a role for the church that I do not share. For me, the church is a place of fellowship so I fellowship with the group with whom I have the most in common. That includes the desire to explore beyond new boundaries.
 
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I, too, am happy with my denomination & like you, if at any time I don't like it I will leave ~ not try to convince the entire church they are wrong.
Back in the day ~ when the 'net was becoming more available we had a service called Compuserve. It hosted an SDA forum and the SAME exact arguments were being discussed ~ let's eat pork whilst wearing our jewelry and drinking wine and 'dissing EGW. This is the same song, 457th verse.....
I know they think they are being original and 'discovering' things that MUST be brought to our attention, but it's old news. We've all heard the same arguments, the same quotes, etc.
That's my rant for the day ~ May God bless us all with His understanding.
Blast away.....
 
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I, too, am happy with my denomination & like you, if at any time I don't like it I will leave ~ not try to convince the entire church they are wrong.
I guess that is the difference I see between being happy with your denomination and loving your denomination. I want my denomination to be relevant and to be as effective as it can be.
 
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Isn't calling someone intolerant a form of intolerance?
He was referring to the thinking, not to the individual. If we don't allow people the ability to use the language to its fullest we will end up with a forum that is sterile and uninteresting. There is sufficient obnoxious behavior for us to object to.
 
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He was referring to the thinking, not to the individual. If we don't allow people the ability to use the language to its fullest we will end up with a forum that is sterile and uninteresting. There is sufficient obnoxious behavior for us to object to.

Yes, I object!
 
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I assume you meant that you object to the original comment. Well, if we can't characterize ideas what is left for us to discuss?
For clarification I was being sarcastic :)

I agree with the original poster.

I have no problems with someone presenting a genuine question about doctrinal issues, and then wanting to study them out with an open mind. Unfortunately, that is not what most people do.
 
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I have no problems with someone presenting a genuine question about doctrinal issues, and then wanting to study them out with an open mind. Unfortunately, that is not what most people do.
But we won't ever know if we assume we know why they do it. Once a fight begins the original issues are forgotten and the survival instinct takes over.
 
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I feel a long post coming on...forgive me in advance.

Sassy, I agree with you wholeheartedly, and I think everyone on this forum knows that by now.

I made an adult decision to join this church. Therefore, statements like "well, you're intolerant" don't sit well with me when the disagreements with the church's doctrine almost constitute two totally different denominations at some point.

If you study every Sabbath-keeping denomination out there, Messianic Judaism, some Churches of God, Seventh-day Baptists, etc. you will most likely find that there are a lot more things that you just would NOT agree with in their doctrines. What I found interesting is that most of the things I didn't agree with are the things they left "unspoken".

I almost joined a Seventh-day Baptist church, because I grew up Baptist as well. When I researched it, there were just some beliefs I wasn't willing to bend on. I had already read the bible at that point.

I wasn't going to any church that said you go directly to heaven when you die. Period. End of story.

I have about 8 Messianics friends. Half of them believe you go to heaven when you die, the other half doesn't.

All of them have told me it's just "not discussed" in sermons etc to keep the peace. The exact same thing is true in the Seventh-day Baptist church....there are certain things they just "don't discuss'.

Personally, I LIKE being in a church that says "here's what we believe in and we don't mess around about it." Don't you? I mean, seriously, don't you find it refreshing that the doctrine clearly spells out what it means to be a Seventh-day Adventist?

I love knowing where we stand on evolution, sinful lifestyles, forgiveness, death, the end times, etc.

And some of the arguments on here just seem so pointless to me. Abstaining from certain things has always been part of this church, we all knew that going in....or at least I HOPE we did. I did.

And Ellen White....she helped form this church, so if anyone doesn't believe she was a messenger of God, I guess they willingly walked into the hands of the devil or something? I dunno.

I guess I just don't get it. Why try to change something you willingly joined and agreed with? Most importantly, why try to change someone else's mind about their decision to agree to certain things?

I had more I wanted to say but something just came up.

BBL
 
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But we won't ever know if we assume we know why they do it. Once a fight begins the original issues are forgotten and the survival instinct takes over.
Well, once you enter into a study with someone it usually becomes apparent down the line what their intentions are.
 
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I feel a long post coming on...forgive me in advance.

Sassy, I agree with you wholeheartedly, and I think everyone on this forum knows that by now.

I made an adult decision to join this church. Therefore, statements like "well, you're intolerant" don't sit well with me when the disagreements with the church's doctrine almost constitute two totally different denominations at some point.

If you study every Sabbath-keeping denomination out there, Messianic Judaism, some Churches of God, Seventh-day Baptists, etc. you will most likely find that there are a lot more things that you just would NOT agree with in their doctrines. What I found interesting is that most of the things I didn't agree with are the things they left "unspoken".

I almost joined a Seventh-day Baptist church, because I grew up Baptist as well. When I researched it, there were just some beliefs I wasn't willing to bend on. I had already read the bible at that point.

I wasn't going to any church that said you go directly to heaven when you die. Period. End of story.

I have about 8 Messianics friends. Half of them believe you go to heaven when you die, the other half doesn't.

All of them have told me it's just "not discussed" in sermons etc to keep the peace. The exact same thing is true in the Seventh-day Baptist church....there are certain things they just "don't discuss'.

Personally, I LIKE being in a church that says "here's what we believe in and we don't mess around about it." Don't you? I mean, seriously, don't you find it refreshing that the doctrine clearly spells out what it means to be a Seventh-day Adventist?

I love knowing where we stand on evolution, sinful lifestyles, forgiveness, death, the end times, etc.

And some of the arguments on here just seem so pointless to me. Abstaining from certain things has always been part of this church, we all knew that going in....or at least I HOPE we did. I did.

And Ellen White....she helped form this church, so if anyone doesn't believe she was a messenger of God, I guess they willingly walked into the hands of the devil or something? I dunno.

I guess I just don't get it. Why try to change something you willingly joined and agreed with? Most importantly, why try to change someone else's mind about their decision to agree to certain things?

I had more I wanted to say but something just came up.

BBL
Nicely put.
 
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I love knowing where we stand on evolution, sinful lifestyles, forgiveness, death, the end times, etc.
Even if the facts show we are wrong and uninformed? Is that the price you are willing to pay for "certainty?" No one is trying to change your mind. They can't. But every attempt to create a "pure race" should be suspect. We have seen its results.
 
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It hosted an SDA forum and the SAME exact arguments were being discussed ~ let's eat pork whilst wearing our jewelry and drinking wine and 'dissing EGW. This is the same song, 457th verse.....


Well put! I keep running into the same arguments over and over (occasionally someone will put a new "spin" on an old theme, but the basics are still the same. So, I've started to catalogue the various claims so I won't have to keep re-typing them in any more! That will speed things up a bit!
 
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Originally Posted by TrustAndObey
I love knowing where we stand on evolution, sinful lifestyles, forgiveness, death, the end times, etc.

Even if the facts show we are wrong and uninformed? Is that the price you are willing to pay for "certainty?" No one is trying to change your mind. They can't. But every attempt to create a "pure race" should be suspect. We have seen its results.

It's one thing to learn new things. It's quite another to diss others and make wild claims with no supporting facts.

Where'd you get this "pure race" nonsense from?
 
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