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[Hank77]

You start by requiring able bodied people to work,no work no benefits,requring someone to at least do something is not cruel or unchristian....if they have children you feed their children,not them.

I agree with you whole heartedly!
My mom talked like this back in the 60s. She said that it used to be, in the mid-west, that people would be put to work in the fields if they needed extra help. I think she called them work farms.
I don't even necessarily think they would have to be making money. Some people don't have the skills or the availability of jobs to work. BUT they could get them by being in a voluntary position where they get skills. Single moms could be working together taking care of other single moms kids in a regulated daycare environment, while other moms went to school or worked in internships with businesses. They could be cleaning other working moms homes. There are many ways to encourage people to do better and get skills that they need.
One of my girls got an internship job, in her field, over the summer when she was in college. When she graduated they immediately hired her in a full-time position.
We could get people off welfare if we would just use some creative ideas and their kids would have a good influence in their lives.

???
in congress, "money" is god. how would little gods taking care of big god MONEY help ? that's why the country and the world is in trouble.

If that is true then all the more reason to have people who understand.....
Because CPAs understand Money and taxes. They understand budgeting within what is available to budget. Most lawyers do not have that skill set, most people do not understand taxes. So why should they be writing tax laws?

Churches have to budget and they ones who succeed at that have people who know how to budget.

Companies who succeed have people who understand budgets, investments, etc. That is why they pay BIG bucks for people who do, CFOs, financial controllers, accountants, and department heads.
If this country's money was in the hands of people like corporations have, this country wouldn't be financially broke. Well that, and stopping corporate welfare, corporate prisons, and getting into wars to feed the oil industry and corporations such as Halliburton.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If this country's money was in the hands of people like corporations have, this country wouldn't be financially broke.

IT IS in the hands like that.
that's WHY Yhwh calls it evil, pernicious, wrong, and don't trust it.

 

[W2L]

You have a good day

Sure.

 

[Hank77]

IT IS in the hands like that.
that's WHY Yhwh calls it evil, pernicious, wrong, and don't trust it.

No our tax dollars are not in competent hands.
imo, YHVH would say who is holding the purse strings, you can do better. He gave us brains to solve problems in a humane and caring society and I personally think that He expects us to use those brains until He returns.

 

[W2L]

No our tax dollars are not in competent hands.
imo, YHVH would say who is holding the purse strings, you can do better. He gave us brains to solve problems in a human and caring society and I personally think that He expects us to use those brains until He returns.

Do you believe that if your vote counted we would end up with politicians like Hillary and Trump? I am using my brains

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No our tax dollars are not in competent hands.
imo, YHVH would say who is holding the purse strings, you can do better. He gave us brains to solve problems in a humane and caring society and I personally think that He expects us to use those brains until He returns.

Do you think you are using your brain ?
And I am also using my brain: Let's test this together:
"No our tax dollars are not in competent hands." Good. That's true.
This you quoted :

IT IS in the hands like that.
that's WHY Yhwh calls it evil, pernicious, wrong, and don't trust it.

is true too.
(I posted it, I know it's true).

So where is the brain drain ? What happened / where's the connection ?
How can both our statements be true ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Do you believe that if your vote counted we would end up with politicians like Hillary and Trump? I am using my brains

You follow Jesus first, and trust Him and the Bible.
There's a big difference between you doing that
and you if you started believing men opposed to the Bible and against God's Way.
I know you know this, you don't use your brains to follow nor to trust evil men nor sinful ways nor believe errors you know are errors...
i.e. you are doing well, according to the testimony of Jesus and Yhwh's Word.

 

[Hank77]

Do you believe that if your vote counted we would end up with politicians like Hillary and Trump? I am using my brains

I don't know. Even if we only went by the popular vote I cannot speak to how other people would vote.

Do you think you are using your brain ?
And I am also using my brain: Let's test this together:
"No our tax dollars are not in competent hands." Good. That's true.
This you quoted :

is true too.
(I posted it, I know it's true).

So where is the brain drain ? What happened / where's the connection ?
How can both our statements be true ?

Then I didn't understand your post. Maybe you could word it a different way?

 

[W2L]

You follow Jesus first, and trust Him and the Bible.
There's a big difference between you doing that
and you if you started believing men opposed to the Bible and against God's Way.
I know you know this, you don't use your brains to follow nor to trust evil men nor sinful ways nor believe errors you know are errors...
i.e. you are doing well, according to the testimony of Jesus and Yhwh's Word.

I follow love best I can. I see people like the OP mentioned and I think they need loved. I really do. They need the Gospel. How though will they ever hear it if they don't put down their politics first? How will they do that if Christians don't put down theirs? What example are we leading with? I only know one doctrine, love. Love for enemies and love for all mankind. The goal is to promote the Gospel because only that can change people from within. I may seem like a fool for believing as I do, but with all my heart I know its true.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

The commandment that we are not covet what belongs to our neighbor implies that property one has earned through work does belong to them.....who but God has the right to take it from them ?

Yes, keep telling yourself that. I keep twisting scripture to justify it as well. Most Americans do. God blessed you with it, God can also take it away. Keep enough for something you need, but then again.. I cannot tell you what you ned. I am sure you and I both have things we do not really need, but continual to justify it. Why are you so worried about losing your things or money? People love to quote. Luke 12:22-34 when times are rough, but are quick to forget it when God blesses them with wealth through the talents He gave them to begin with to acquire it. Don't forget those talents that helped you get rich were not of your own effort.

We are often hindered from giving up our treasures to the Lord out of fear for their safety; this is
especially true when those treasures are loved relatives and friends. But we need have no such fears.
Our Lord came not to destroy but to save. Everything is safe which we commit to Him, and nothing
is really safe which is not so committed.
Our gifts and talents should also be turned over to Him. They should be recognized for what
they are, God’s loan to us, and should never be considered in any sense our own. We have no more
right to claim credit for special abilities than for blue eyes or strong muscles. “For who maketh thee
to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive?” -A. W. Tozer

 

[W2L]

I don't know. Even if we only went by the popular vote I cannot speak to how other people would vote.

Then I didn't understand your post. Maybe you could word it a different way?

They choose our leaders for us. Do you think a Godly people would ever choose either of those candidates? I lost confidence when we got stuck with Dole because I knew he couldn't win, then Mcain. I knew something was wrong after that. However, it was the scriptures that opened my eyes to flee from politics. Regardless of that though. how do we keep getting stuck with Candidates that do not represent us well? Does Trump represent Godly values to you?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

..Then I didn't understand your post. Maybe you could word it a different way?

yes, let's try:

If this country's money was in the hands of people like corporations have, this country wouldn't be financially broke.

IT IS in the hands like that.
that's WHY Yhwh calls it evil, pernicious, wrong, and don't trust it.

i.e. the corporations, bankrupt or not,
are without heart, without soul, without conscience,
as revealed in a previous post(on this thread or not I don't know)
they never had a heart, soul or conscience: starting back in europe when small families were robbed of their homes and farms and land by robber barons(corporations, so-called/ lordships/ estates controlled by greedy owners(with few if any exceptions) ) ...

this government HAS BEEN IN HANDS LIKE THAT (like corporations),
and it is foul.(wicked in immensity and proportions beyond peoples ability to grasp)
How can we know this? Read Revelation. (it tells where the governments including ours and society is today)(not good)
And Wuest's Expanded Greek pdf lesson on Galatians(online free pdf format) key search words > Wuest Expanded Greek Galatians pernicious
finds it.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Tull said: ↑

The commandment that we are not covet what belongs to our neighbor implies that property one has earned through work does belong to them.....who but God has the right to take it from them ?
"Yes, keep telling yourself that. I keep twisting scripture to justify it as well. Most Americans do."

This is a catch 22 humanly speaking.
It is observant that sin is accepted,
and most Americans accept it and do it without repenting.
They aren't even told the truth in church.
Only in God's Word if they look seeking His Kingdom.

 

[W2L]

Where are we learning these political ideals from? People like Trump? These are the people we follow, and they influence our thinking. These politicians are like false teachers. They are leading us astray. Its not a conspiracy theory, its just a cold hard fact. Jesus says to give to everyone who asks, and to do good for our enemy, and to honor God in all things. Is that what Trump or Hillary are teaching us? You cant elect the enemy to be your leader and then expect to stay on the straight and narrow path.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You cant elect the enemy to be your leader and then expect to stay on the straight and narrow path.

It is hard enough finding the narrow path to life - few find it , few are on it.
As you have,
At all costs, gain Truth. And Guard it ! (never , never, compromise)

 

[chandraclaws]

It's not "anti-government". No conservative I know is anti-government. It's a small and limited government, in scope and power, which conservatives want. Just the way the founding fathers intended. . .

What is anarchist extremism? Anarchism is a belief that society should have no government, laws, police, or any other authority. It's being promoted by people on the extreme right.

 

[Tull]

Yes, keep telling yourself that. I keep twisting scripture to justify it as well. Most Americans do. God blessed you with it, God can also take it away.

Did you not read what I said,or perhaps you seek to pick up where the other one left off....I ask who but God has the right to take a persons property,i know who thinks they have the right and are driven to excuse their own laziness and covetousness of what belongs to another by twisting scripture to lay claim to it.The bible does talk about the thieves who break in and steal...guess I know who it was talking about.

 

[Tull]

What is anarchist extremism? Anarchism is a belief that society should have no government, laws, police, or any other authority. It's being promoted by people on the extreme right.

A bold faced lie for the purpose of provocation,do you people work in shifts ?

 

[chandraclaws]

A bold faced lie for the purpose of provocation,do you people work in shifts ?

Look it up. It's not a lie, it's the FBI definition of anarchistic extremism and it is very real. It encompasses many different ideologies including extreme right groups who seriously say they want no government at all.

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2010/november/anarchist_111610/anarchist_111610

You are choosing to be provoked by truths you don't like. Who do you include in "you people?"

 

[Tull]

Look it up. It's not a lie, it's the FBI definition of anarchistic extremism and it is very real.

It is a lie and an attempt to offer the extreme as the rule,what does the extreme radical left want,i will leave it you to answer because I'm sure you will do so.......honestly,who is at the forefront of lawlessness today,who defends the thugs and criminals