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[Tull]

Our leaders are in Gods hands, we are commanded to pray for them. However, spiritualism is not found in politics. No sir, quite the opposite.

Then God is not the God of all of life, and he does not turn the heart of the King in the direction he wants it to go

 

[Tull]

Its not a strawman. My posts directly answer yours in avery relevant way. Please don't use a circular argument to blind yourself to spiritual understanding in those scriptures.

It is not a circular argument,your post talked about the least being the greatest as if I had said the richest were the greatest,which I did not.....and please spare me the condescention

 

[Tull]

It doesn't sound like it.

I'm not accountable to you "spiritualism" can mean anything these days just like the term "Christian"

 

[W2L]

Then God is not the God of all of life, and he does not turn the heart of the King in the direction he wants it to go

If he does then why are you trying to turn a leaders heart via politics? Is God not in control? Do you lack faith in your prayers? If we want God to hear our prayers we must not do evil. Its wrong to rail against our enemies and its wrong not to feed them or do good for them. Its wrong to divide the Church over worldly matters too. We are commanded to pray, not to rule the world.

 

[W2L]

It is not a circular argument,your post talked about the least being the greatest as if I had said the richest were the greatest,which I did not.....and please spare me the condescention

No, you are trying to debate your way out of acknowledging the truth. My comment pertains to riches and spiritualism. You claimed that Rich men are spiritual. That's the comment I was responding to. I was merely trying to show that the most spiritual people are poor not rich. You are putting the strawman up here, not me.

 

[Tull]

If he does then why are you trying to turn a leaders heart via politics? Is God not in control? Do you lack faith in your prayers? If we want God to hear our prayers we must not do evil. Its wrong to rail against our enemies and its wrong not to feed them or do good for them. Its wrong to divide the Church over worldly matters too. We are commanded to pray, not to rule the world.

Standing up for righteousness is not politics,how convenient it is that the word exist to offer excuses for people who would rather hide in the shadows and see how it all plays out....railing ? another euphemism for standing for righteousness,divide the church ? oh you mean those who think slaughtering a child in the womb is ok and those who know better being buddies anyway.

 

[W2L]

I'm not accountable to you "spiritualism" can mean anything these days just like the term "Christian"

The natural man cannot receive the spiritual things of God. They are discerned through the spirit. God gives discernment via spirit, not men..

 

[Tull]

No, you are trying to debate your way out of acknowledging the truth. My comment pertains to riches and spiritualism. You claimed that Rich men are spiritual. That's the comment I was responding to. I was merely trying to show that the most spiritual people are poor not rich. You are putting the strawman up here, not me.

Quote me where I said rich men are spiritual,and also quote a passage where only poor people are spiritual,the spirit of God can work in anyone....deny that if you can.

 

[Tull]

The natural man cannot receive the spiritual things of God. They are discerned through the spirit. God gives discernment to follow the spirit not men..

Your point is,many religions have what they call "spiritualism" the term you use.

 

[W2L]

No comment? Did you have a comment about my post?

 

[W2L]

Quote me where I said rich men are spiritual,and also quote a passage where only poor people are spiritual,the spirit of God can work in anyone....deny that if you can.

See, you are still trying to distract from the issue. Please don't misdirect. Let that go.

 

[W2L]

Your point is,many religions have what they call "spiritualism" the term you use.

I'm not most religions, im of the spirit of God and walk in the spirit, and I refer to the spirit.

 

[Tull]

I'm not most religions, im of the spirit of God and walk in the spirit, and I refer to the spirit.

Then what are you arguing about,you seem to be arguing about not arguing.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Jesus says it is "WOE" meaning in Hebrew damned, and totally a sin, in scripture. (look up "woe" in hebrew)

I don't find that definition in the Strong's Hebrew or Greek lexicon. Citation please?

 

[Tull]

See, you are still trying to distract from the issue. Please don't misdirect. Let that go.

Don't post things that imply others have said things when they didn't....that's "misdirecting" lets say that I posted something that implied you had said that all wealthy people are evil and bound for hell.....did you say that ?

 

[W2L]

Then what are you arguing about,you seem to be arguing about not arguing.

If you had ears to hear you would. Do you? If so then listen, don't argue about it. As James said, let every man be swift to hear and slow to speak. Politics are nothing but words, nothing but talking, railing, contention, discord from dissension. Its ugly and not gentle stillness, nor love for our enemy and each other, nor glorifying God or pleasing to him.

 

[W2L]

Don't post things that imply others have said things when they didn't....that's "misdirecting" lets say that I posted something that implied you had said that all wealthy people are evil and bound for hell.....did you say that ?

You implied rich men were spiritual. Don't deny it. This is typical of political and religious contention.

 

[W2L]

I'll just bow out now. No need to debate it further. I presented scripture and was honest in all my posting. I cant do any more than that. I hope you consider what those scriptures say.

Psalm 1 Blessed is the one
who does not walk in step with the wicked
or stand in the way that sinners take
or sit in the company of mockers,

2 but whose delight is in the law of the Lord,
and who meditates on his law day and night.

3 That person is like a tree planted by streams of water,
which yields its fruit in season
and whose leaf does not wither—
whatever they do prospers.

 

[Tull]

You implied rich men were spiritual. Don't deny it. This is typical of political and religious contention.

This site has a quote function,if you were interested in honesty you would use it prove things you say....but you do not

 

[Tull]

I'll just bow out now. No need to debate it further. I presented scripture and was honest in all my posting. I cant do any more than that. I hope you consider what those scriptures say.

Psalm 1 Blessed is the one
who does not walk in step with the wicked
or stand in the way that sinners take
or sit in the company of mockers,

2 but whose delight is in the law of the Lord,
and who meditates on his law day and night.

3 That person is like a tree planted by streams of water,
which yields its fruit in season
and whose leaf does not wither—
whatever they do prospers.

Those scriptures refer to a person you are saying you are and I am not because I disagree with you,interestingly enough they contain the words "law" and "prosper"