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[MoonlessNight]

I don't think left handed people are a protected class, so US Law would probably not prevent a piano teacher from refusing left handed students. Bit like I've said consistently, it's not about what services or products you offer, just that you offer them to everyone. That's why I am glad for things like the ADA. Whatever your business offers, it should be accessible to the public, all the public.

So when we get down to the law (i.e. the topic of the whole discussion), it comes down to "protected classes", meaning that your side track about left-handed people was a non-sequitur (since, as you admit, they aren't a protected class).

And in fact by what you are saying here it isn't about offering your services to "everyone" but only to protected classes.

But even that doesn't seem to be the case, as there are websites which cater to only homosexual hookups and they seem to get along without government interference (despite the fact that, in principle, "sexual orientation" generally is protected whether you are homosexual or heterosexual). In practice some parts of protected classes are more protected than others.

Which gets to the real point: the effective purpose of such legislation and court decisions is to allow groups like homosexuals to demand whatever they wish of a business, regardless of its purpose. And that's ridiculous.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

So when we get down to the law (i.e. the topic of the whole discussion), it comes down to "protected classes", meaning that your side track about left-handed people was a non-sequitur (since, as you admit, they aren't a protected class).

And in fact by what you are saying here it isn't about offering your services to "everyone" but only to protected classes.

But even that doesn't seem to be the case, as there are websites which cater to only homosexual hookups and they seem to get along without government interference (despite the fact that, in principle, "sexual orientation" generally is protected whether you are homosexual or heterosexual). In practice some parts of protected classes are more protected than others.

Which gets to the real point: the effective purpose of such legislation and court decisions is to allow groups like homosexuals to demand whatever they wish of a business, regardless of its purpose. And that's ridiculous.

The only thing homosexual folks should demand from a business is the same services they offer to anyone else. If there is a homosexual dating website that prohibits straight people from joining. I would have an issue with that, although as straight people are not a protected class, I assume it wouldn't be illegal.
Now I understand that the laws are not consistent across the country, and some argue that homosexuality shouldn't be a protected class, along the lines of gender, race and disability. Some argue that there should be no such thing, so the fire department could let your house burn because they don't like your kind, or the employee can have a no hiring disabled people policy even if their disability doesn't affect their ability to find a job. That's not the vision I have for this country, and it's not how it's laws are written. I'd rather see the protected classes expand than be eliminated.

 

[ken777]

The only thing homosexual folks should demand from a business is the same services they offer to anyone else. If there is a homosexual dating website that prohibits straight people from joining. I would have an issue with that, although as straight people are not a protected class, I assume it wouldn't be illegal.
Now I understand that the laws are not consistent across the country, and some argue that homosexuality shouldn't be a protected class, along the lines of gender, race and disability. Some argue that there should be no such thing, so the fire department could let your house burn because they don't like your kind, or the employee can have a no hiring disabled people policy even if their disability doesn't affect their ability to find a job. That's not the vision I have for this country, and it's not how it's laws are written. I'd rather see the protected classes expand than be eliminated.

I agree that there should not be discrimination against people for what they are, but discrimination against specific activities is a different matter. Same sex marriage, for example, is an activity open to both heterosexual as well as homosexual people. Should businesses be forced to provide service for every activity?

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[Mountain_Girl406]

Remember, though, that Christian Mingle doesn't advertise as a straight dating site, but a Christian dating site, and there are certainly many Christian denominations that welcome LGBT people including those that are in or seeking relationships up to and including marriage.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

I agree that there should not be discrimination against people for what they are, but discrimination against specific activities is a different matter. Same sex marriage, for example, is an activity open to both heterosexual as well as homosexual people. Should businesses be forced to provide service for every activity?

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Hence my analogy. Writing right handed is open to all, including left handed people, but it makes no more sense to say gay people should engage in straight marriage than it does to say left handed people should write right handed.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

I've got some sympathy to the idea of not participating in an activity like a gay wedding. But when that's extended to a sign in a restaurant sat lying we don't serve gays, a baker refusing a birthday cake order for a lesbian, or a pediatrician refusing to see an infant because the parents are in a same sex relationship, that is a problem.

 

[Frisky Wren]

We know that businesses use all sorts of excuses when they do not wish to accept a particular client ... the Christian is "disadvantaged" by not being able to lie about it.

I would suggest that Christian business owners state their particular beliefs concerning homosexuality and leave it up to the client to decide to do business or not. I don't think there is yet a law against flooding a customer with religious message about one's faith, is there?


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Not yet there isn't.

 

[JamesgoneBatty]

as a Man who is a Bi-Romantic Non-Sexual, I'm so Proud to here that My Brothers and Sisters can now use a good Dating website

 

[Meowzltov]

A Catholic site could require a letter from a priest to join, affirming that the person has never married, or has obtained a church annulment and regularly attends Mass. They could also promise to not engage in physical intamacy until married, and not to use artificial birth control.

OMGosh that would be so awesome. Someone should do this!

 

[Frisky Wren]

as a Man who is a Bi-Romantic Non-Sexual, I'm so Proud to here that My Brothers and Sisters can now use a good Dating website

Too bad they don't start their own dating websites so they can show tolerance for Christian straights.

 

[Cimorene]

as a Man who is a Bi-Romantic Non-Sexual, I'm so Proud to here that My Brothers and Sisters can now use a good Dating website

What does this mean? Are you saying that you're bisexual, but celibate? So you want to date both men & women, but not have any kind of sexual affection with either them? Ever? Don't a lot of people date to find a marriage partner?

 

[Waterwerx]

Too bad they don't start their own dating websites so they can show tolerance for Christian straights.

Maybe they're too lazy? Maybe they get some kind of kick out of trampling on the religious freedoms of others who do not accept their lifestyle while at the same time attempting to elevate themselves above others, like as if they should receive some kind of special minority status that allows them to stick their noses in wherever they want? It is possible. However, all I see is a group of people that want to turn an unnatural sexual fetish into something shameless that must be accepted as "normal" or "natural" and given the same treatment as that of a man & woman procreating.
And from there, we can start adding human + animal couples since I'm sure the same arguments they use can be applied to this as well.
Imagine, a society without shame, yet still being full of all kinds of violence and vice.

I have to admit, I don't ever recall seeing it on the news where Christians are going into gay bars and telling the patrons they need to stop their homosexual behavior when they are there while at the same time suing the establishments over it.

 

[AGTG]

You can bet, if any organization, website, or mass-media outlet uses "Christian" in their title to assert they're Christian, it's a good change they are apostates. I don't believe that organization was every run by true Christians. A true Christian would shut down before capitulating to the world.