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[Xalith]

Setting the Christian Faith aside for a second (you'll see why in a minute)...

Public Schools stick a group of 20-30 or so kids in a single classroom and assumes that they all learn each subject at the same rate (which is preposterous).

I can speak from my own experience, that I was held back in a public school. My school environment was horrible, I was the victim of daily bullying. I wasn't a large guy, I wasn't particularly strong, and I lived in a rural area and had little to no experience in dealing with other children my age prior to going to school, AND my big brother went to school ahead of me and would always talk about 'his weird little brother' and so the kids he went to school with would talk to their younger siblings and... well I got bullied. A lot.

I hated the environment so much that I refused to have anything to do with school when I got home. I aced tests with Straight As quite frequently I might add (I'm trying not to boast or take pride, but I do need to speak the truth). I was particularly good at science and math, but yet at the end of 6th Grade, where you make a fork in the road... Math 7 for the kids who did poorly, or Intro to Algebra for the kids who were doing well. I easily qualified for ItA but they stuck me in Math 7 because I refused to do the homework.

This meant that I lost a year, and at my senior year when I should have been in Calculus, I was instead sitting in Trig Class with a number of Juniors during my Senior year.

And of course this gave them more ammo to bully with -- I was a year back so I must be stupid, right? Let's not forget the fact that I got straight As on my tests, and during my Senior Year, I got a 100% on Quarter 4 in Physics class, and it wasn't because the teacher was lax -- a lot of kids got low Bs and Cs in the same class.

Home-Schooling or even Private Schooling means that your child will learn at THEIR rate of learning. When you stick 20-30 kids together, you will always have some kids being held back, and other kids being left behind. The class is always going to go too fast or too slow for I would say at least half the classroom. It's horribly inefficient, and if you're a kid who already knows the stuff, you're bored out of your mind and you get disinterested and it's a complete waste of your time. If you're a kid who is struggling to learn at that pace, then it's sailing over your head and you're getting frustrated and/or you get held back in summer school (I praise the Lord I never had to go there, those kids got bullied even worse than I did).

Now, I said I set the Christian Faith aside....

That's because when you consider everything I said thusfar, that alone is some pretty hefty reasons to NOT want your kids Public Schooled.

When you ALSO add something even MORE important, like Christian Values to the mix... you're no longer wondering whether or not you should send your kid to public school, it's more of a "How can I get out of sending them to Public School?"

I wish I had been church-schooled or better yet, home-schooled. Even private school would have been better.

I can only imagine how far I could have gone, had I been taught at the pace I was capable of learning at.

But sadly, I'm 36 now and with the way things are in the world... there's really no room to be looking back. And besides, I'm sure Heaven has far better schools, lol.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Teaching "is" indoctrination, is it not? There's always a slant, which you revealed in your post.

I think that's about what G.K. Chesterton said.

Actually here is a quote of his, "Without education we are in a horrible and deadly danger of taking educated people seriously."

Somebody gets to teach you what they want taught, following their opinions of how your mind should be formed. Maybe the expected outcome is that you be a Democrat or a Fundamentalist or whatever.

 

[Mudinyeri]

Setting the Christian Faith aside for a second (you'll see why in a minute)...

Public Schools stick a group of 20-30 or so kids in a single classroom and assumes that they all learn each subject at the same rate (which is preposterous).

I can speak from my own experience, that I was held back in a public school. My school environment was horrible, I was the victim of daily bullying ....

So, you're suggesting none of this takes place in "Christian" schools? If so, that would be a grossly inaccurate statement. We had neighbors whose son attempted suicide due to the environment at his Christian school.

You're generalizing from a specific experience ... which rarely ends well.

By God's grace and provision, any child that God gives me and my wife stewardship over, will not attend public school. I will not offer my child to Molech or Ba'al.

Will you allow them to attend jobs at public companies?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Will you allow them to attend jobs at public companies?

That's what adults do. They also drink alcohol, drive cars, and shoot firearms. Hopefully not at the same time.

Age and experience appropriate. . .

 

[Xalith]

So, you're suggesting none of this takes place in "Christian" schools? If so, that would be a grossly inaccurate statement. We had neighbors whose son attempted suicide due to the environment at his Christian school.

I did not say that.

However, from public school experience, I doubt how it could really be any worse. And again, I said Home Schooling is the best, followed by private schools and then lastly, church-based schools.

And besides, aren't you using your own specific experience? I wonder what the suicide rates of Christian Schools vs Secular Schools are, lol.

You're generalizing from a specific experience ... which rarely ends well.

God gave us a pair of eyes and ears, and we use them instinctively. *shrugs*

I know what my own experience was like, and I can very easily predict what it might have been had I been home or private schooled. Hint: The latter would have been far better.

Will you allow them to attend jobs at public companies?

When someone is an adult, they can make their own choices. When you have a child, you don't want them going to secular schools and learning the false teachings that they teach there, nor do you want them getting involved in the drugs, sex, and violence that are found in today's schools. Back in the Class of '98, which was my class, I personally knew a drug-pusher. We all knew he sold drugs. I also knew 3 girls that got pregnant, one of them was bawling her eyes out one morning because it was her third miscarriage.

That was back in '98. I shudder to think of what has happened since, 18 years later.

We don't need our kids at that age exposed to that kind of junk. We should teach them the dangers of such stuff, but we don't need to let them run around and do as they please as they tend to in these public schools. I've seen a wide range of teenagers these days, many of them -- the vast majority -- that I've seen are foul mouthed, the girls are wearing things that are absolutely disgraceful, and the 18-25 year olds, many of them look like they are always stoned out of their minds and the guys that age almost always slur their speech to where I can barely understand them.

This is coming from personal observances. I don't want any child of mine being a part of THAT. If, after they become an adult, they choose to go down that road, well... I can't stop them. I can only pray that they will see the errors of their ways.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I did not say that.

However, from public school experience, I doubt how it could really be any worse. And again, I said Home Schooling is the best, followed by private schools and then lastly, church-based schools.

And besides, aren't you using your own specific experience? I wonder what the suicide rates of Christian Schools vs Secular Schools are, lol.



God gave us a pair of eyes and ears, and we use them instinctively. *shrugs*

I know what my own experience was like, and I can very easily predict what it might have been had I been home or private schooled. Hint: The latter would have been far better.



When someone is an adult, they can make their own choices. When you have a child, you don't want them going to secular schools and learning the false teachings that they teach there, nor do you want them getting involved in the drugs, sex, and violence that are found in today's schools. Back in the Class of '98, which was my class, I personally knew a drug-pusher. We all knew he sold drugs. I also knew 3 girls that got pregnant, one of them was bawling her eyes out one morning because it was her third miscarriage.

That was back in '98. I shudder to think of what has happened since, 18 years later.

We don't need our kids at that age exposed to that kind of junk. We should teach them the dangers of such stuff, but we don't need to let them run around and do as they please as they tend to in these public schools. I've seen a wide range of teenagers these days, many of them -- the vast majority -- that I've seen are foul mouthed, the girls are wearing things that are absolutely disgraceful, and the 18-25 year olds, many of them look like they are always stoned out of their minds and the guys that age almost always slur their speech to where I can barely understand them.

This is coming from personal observances. I don't want any child of mine being a part of THAT. If, after they become an adult, they choose to go down that road, well... I can't stop them. I can only pray that they will see the errors of their ways.

You've raised some good points about other students, and you are correct. There's much, much more to this. . .

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

Homeschooling often ends up raising up smarter kids then public school. Many people looking to hire are more excited by someone who was home schooled then someone who went to public. But it also depends on what you mean by homeschool. Theres another form of homeschool called "unschooling", which sadly they think they are homeschoolers too. Their approach is let your kid stay at home and let them decide what they want to do. Do they want to play a video game? Maybe watch cartoons for 10 hours? Sure! They will learn somehow. >.< So unschooling is useless.

Now homeschooling on the other hand is not. Assuming your following state guidelines. My mom was my teacher. We had bought curriculum from home school fairs. You couldn't just right a A+ on something as a parent. There was still a way of doing it. At the end of each school year you had an assessment done to make sure you are really learning and what level your at. Myself? My last day of school was suppose to be about a week before my 16th birthday. Yes, I would graduate at 15 (almost 16). But I had a seizure and lost alot. So I graduated in a few years later in 2000 I believe. Still even before my accident I had many people who were interested in hiring me. At one place they needed someone and they actually wanted me over people who even had college degrees. Not that I am genius or anything. But if you homeschool right your kids learn way more.

Now as for the question at hand of children in regular school. They probably shouldn't be. But its expensive to put them in a private school. And homeschooling can cost money and ALOOOOOOT of time. Not every parent(s) are able to become teachers and principles for their house. There are of course pros and cons to homeschooling. You do get a better education. And more physical activity. Almost every day we had something with homeschool groups of kids like roller skating, bowling, get togethers for food....etc. In most cases there were a ton more kids then there were in any school room I was in early in life.

 

[Sola1517]

The below quote dates back to 1923. How much worse are things 90 years later?!

“Place the lives of children in their formative years, despite the convictions of their parents, under the intimate control of experts appointed by the state, force them to attend schools where the higher aspirations of humanity are crushed out, and where the mind is filled with the materialism of the day, and it is difficult to see how even the remnants of liberty can subsist.” ― J. Gresham Machen, Christianity and Liberalism

What's the best way to educate your children?

We are called to preach the Gospel to the nations and the world around us no matter what age we are.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

We are called to preach the Gospel to the nations and the world around us no matter what age we are.

I've never heard a 6 year old preacher. . .

You might be misapplying something Jesus said to His disciples.

 

[Kersh]

I've never heard a 6 year old preacher. . .

You might be misapplying something Jesus said to His disciples.

Preacher? Maybe not. Evangelist? Definitely.
Sometimes I think that my 5-year-old and 10-year-old are better evangelists than I am.

 

[pat34lee]

But it's not the actual federal government. OBama and members of his cabinet are not teaching the subjects. It's usually local teachers who simply pass on knowledge they are fed by higher-ups. Depending on the personality and level of investment, the teachers may be great or terrible.

Do you think bureaucrats in any level of DC, like the NEA,
have anyone's kids' best interest in mind? No. They are
political hacks who see your kids as a government investment.
It is in their interest to keep kids smart enough to work, but
not smart enough to ask questions and without conviction or
morals that would make them demand change when they see
problems.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Do you think bureaucrats in any level of DC, like the NEA,
have anyone's kids' best interest in mind? No. They are
political hacks who see your kids as a government investment.
It is in their interest to keep kids smart enough to work, but
not smart enough to ask questions and without conviction or
morals that would make them demand change when they see
problems.

Curriculum is only part of the issue.

I was in grade school many moons ago, but I can still remember them drumming into our little heads, every chance they got, that because of "us" using too much paper, apparently, the rainforests would be decimated in 20 years.

The same is done now with "global warming". It's not simply that they teach about the subject, but that they harp on in continually. They are actually causing severe anxiety in children, and making them feel that they are to blame for destroying the earth.

Then they survey the same children that they have made paranoid, as proof that global warming is in fact a threat!

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...ng-to-national-earth-day-survey-58684647.html

http://www.news.com.au/national/aus...-climate-of-fear/story-e6frfkvr-1226091097398

http://www.treehugger.com/culture/no-kidding-one-in-three-children-fear-earth-apocalypse.html

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

"Everyone forgets God's Instructions" (almost everyone)
What did God say to do ? What kind of work did God instruct His children to pursue ?

That's what adults do. They also drink alcohol, drive cars, and shoot firearms. Hopefully not altogether.

Age and experience appropriate. . .

Will you allow them to attend jobs at public companies?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

"Everyone forgets God's Instructions" (almost everyone)
What did God say to do ? What kind of work did God instruct His children to pursue ?

Hedge fund manager?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Hedge fund manager?

Guessing? Try again.
(That job is not permitted a born again believer - that involves too much dishonesty and hurts too many people by its very nature, and not trusting God)

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Guessing? Try again.
(That job is not permitted a born again believer - that involves too much dishonesty and hurts too many people by its very nature, and not trusting God)

That's not fair or true. People are corrupt, not positions. I know some lovely hedge fund managers.

Don't envy the 1%. Envy is a sin, my friend.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

That's not fair or true. People are corrupt, not positions. I know some lovely hedge fund managers.

Don't envy the 1%. Envy is a sin, my friend.

Sorry, it is entirely true.
A lot of jobs will hurt people no matter what the employees, managers or workers do,
from the nature of the jobs.
Like the work during the war when prisoners had to put bombs together.
The 'best' they could do was sabotage the workings so the bomb couldn't be used to kill the allies.

Financially destroying peoples lives is part and parcel of casinos and the stock market/ financial instrument companies. Taking part in them is not in good conscience as a follower of Jesus.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Sorry, it is entirely true.
A lot of jobs will hurt people no matter what the employees, managers or workers do,
from the nature of the jobs.

Very few people ever seek the truth enough to even realize this....

edit in: and then there was Schindler's List... a very rare exception...

Please edit you post while you have the chance to do so.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

A quote from Luther.

“I am much afraid that the universities will prove to be the great gates of hell, unless they diligently labour in explaining the Holy Scriptures, and engraving them in the hearts of youth. I advise no one to place his child where the Scriptures do not reign paramount. Every institution in which men are not unceasingly occupied with the Word of God must become corrupt.” ― Martin Luther

 

[SnowyMacie]

Do you think bureaucrats in any level of DC, like the NEA,
have anyone's kids' best interest in mind? No. They are
political hacks who see your kids as a government investment.
It is in their interest to keep kids smart enough to work, but
not smart enough to ask questions and without conviction or
morals that would make them demand change when they see
problems.

I find this funny considering how often the phrase "life-long learners" is thrown around the education system and how the TEA is all about student-centered education.