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[Tree of Life]

Or, putting it another way, was God Father before He created?

Indeed. And we become fathers in an analogical sense. God's fatherhood is eternal and supreme. Our fatherhoods are like his, but in miniature and, of course, marred by sin. But whereas God will always be father we will not be. Our fatherhoods are finite, beginning at a certain point and ending at a certain point. Absurdly, my sons, Lord willing, will be my brothers in the New Heavens and New Earth! God is the only father.

 

[Tree of Life]

It is what the text says, in Hebrew and in most translations.

Yes but that's not what's controversial. Everyone knows that the text says: בְנֵי־הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙. The question is: what does the phrase
בְנֵי־הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ refer to? Fallen angels is only one of three major positions and commentators and pastors alike are divided. I personally think that the referent "angels" is unlikely for grounds already mentioned and other reasons.

 

[Hieronymus]

Yes but that's not what's controversial. Everyone knows that the text says: בְנֵי־הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙. The question is: what does the phrase
בְנֵי־הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ refer to? Fallen angels is only one of three major positions and commentators and pastors alike are divided. I personally think that the referent "angels" is unlikely for grounds already mentioned and other reasons.

Then how did they make giants?
And how "also after that" ('that' being the pre-flood days) there were giant tribes that God commanded to be eradicated?
Also, texts on demonology suggest demons are either fallen angels and / or dead nephilim.
Who knows about the technicalities of the hybridization? I don't.

You see, throughout time, half of the story is allegorised or ignored.
The Bible is not just about God and mankind, it is also about the goings on between God and the gods and man.

 

[Hieronymus]

I personally think that the referent "angels" is unlikely for grounds already mentioned and other reasons.

Here's an interesting lecture on it:

 

[Tree of Life]

Then how did they make giants? And how "also after that" ('that' being the pre-flood days) there were giant tribes that God commanded to be eradicated?

What makes you think that the Nephilim were giants?

Also, texts on demonology suggest demons are either fallen angels and / or dead nephilim.

I'm not aware of any inspired texts on demonology.

You see, throughout time, half of the story is allegorised or ignored.
The Bible is not just about God and mankind, it is also about the goings on between God and the gods and man.

The other major interpretations of this text neither allegorize nor ignore the text. Are you aware of the other positions?

 

[Hieronymus]

What makes you think that the Nephilim were giants?

The Bible.

 

[Tree of Life]

The Bible.

Could you be more specific? What biblical texts make you think that the Nephilim were giants?

 

[Hieronymus]

Could you be more specific? What biblical texts make you think that the Nephilim were giants?

Not only the Nephilim in Genesis 6.
Come on. you know the texts describing giants.
I have no list of them here, sorry..
But Goliath was one.

 

[Tree of Life]

Not only the Nephilim in Genesis 6.
Come on. you know the texts describing giants.
I have no list of them here, sorry..
But Goliath was one.

Yes. But Goliath could not have descended from the Nephilim because everyone but Noah's family died in the flood. The Philistines descended from Noah.

So are you sure that the bible says that the Nephilim were giants?

 

[Hieronymus]

Yes. But Goliath could not have descended from the Nephilim because everyone but Noah's family died in the flood. The Philistines descended from Noah.

"also after that". 'that' being the pre-flood era.

So are you sure that the bible says that the Nephilim were giants?

Yes.
Check out that lecture or other lectures from M. Heiser.
He can provide the insight much better than i can.

 

[Tree of Life]

"also after that". 'that' being the pre-flood era.

I'm not sure what you're quoting here.

Check out that lecture or other lectures from M. Heiser.
He can provide the insight much better than i can.

Since I don't think there's anything to this position I'm not going to watch the lecture. But if you can provide some Scripture that demonstrates that "Nephilim" refers to giants then I'm all ears.

 

[Hieronymus]

Yes.

Let me translate it myself from the NBG51 Dutch Bible, my go-to-Bible:

Genesis 6:4

The giants were in those days on earth, and also after that, when the sons of God came to the daughters of man, and they bore their children; these are the great of the fore-time (days of old), men of name (renown).

This is in full harmony with the Hebrew text.
This happened also in the post flood days, these are the tribes that had to be eradicated.
It is always implied or stated they were giants.

Why should i doubt Scripture?
Because Augustine didn't believe it?

 

[Tree of Life]

Let me translate it myself from the NBG51 Dutch Bible, my go-to-Bible:

Genesis 6:4

The giants were in those days on earth, and also after that, when the sons of God came to the daughters of man, and they bore their children; these are the great of the fore-time (days of old), men of name (renown).

This is in full harmony with the Hebrew text.
This happened also in the post flood days, these are the tribes that had to be eradicated.
It is always implied or stated they were giants.

Why should i doubt Scripture?
Because Augustine didn't believe it?

I'm sorry I don't see any reference to giants here. Could you show me where it is implied or stated and not just assumed by you?

 

[Hieronymus]

I'm not sure what you're quoting here.

Genesis 6:4

Since I don't think there's anything to this position I'm not going to watch the lecture.

Swell...

 

[Hieronymus]

I'm sorry I don't see any reference to giants here.

Genesis 6:4

 

[Tree of Life]

Genesis 6:4

So is your argument simply that the word "Nephilim" means "giants"?

 

[Hieronymus]

So is your argument simply that the word "Nephilim" means "giants"?

That's what the word means, buddy.

Have a nice day.

 

[777Sloan]

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[Shadowprophet]

Did you seriously come in here and ask that OP? Did you not ever pick up a bible in your life?

I'm not being mean or rude. This was just a pointless thread.

 

[777Sloan]

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