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Thank you for sharing that story too. What you're describing is also why I think most don't - and shouldn't - have these intense feelings of euphoria all the time with God. It can confuse the person, or make them feel like there are moments where there is certain lacking when communication and connection happens without flutters in the chest or indescribable joy feelings. If the feeling doesn't keep up, the person may start doubting past experiences they had. They may start doubting themselves, as you said. It's more destructive than helpful. And of course there are those who may start chasing after the feeling of joy with God than God himself for all attributes and reasons. That's not to say that when these feelings and moments do come, that they're not wondrous and memorable and to be celebrated and embraced, but there has to be a balance to keep the relationship healthy. We are self-destructive by nature and tend to destroy the good in our lives if we don't watch it, including making ourselves stumble in our Christian walk.
 
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These are not Spirit filled Christians.. And is a great way of loosing a generation for Christ!



I helped this man farm back in my younger days. He showed the fruits of the Holy Spirit all his days! Yes! Definitely a Spirit filled Christian!
 
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The Holy Spirit does not need a human agent to give someone a spiritual gift.
Certainly not. And that wasn't what I asked though.
Here's my original post

Thank you. And Gills agrees with you, as does Jamieson-Fausset-Brown
so are you then saying that God the Spirit does not work all these things
(and distribute as He wills) through the laying on of hands?
Or are you saying that the passage you quote in 1 Cor 12:11 isn't even
about distributing the gifts of the Spirit at all?
 
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Also the Holy Spirit doesn't use another person to interpret the sayings of another person. He deals directly Person to person.
If anyone speaks in a tongue, two--or at the most three--
should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.
 
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If anyone speaks in a tongue, two--or at the most three--
should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.

That is spirits of the persons involved, nothing to do with the Holy Spirit since He directly utters through a person.
 
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These are not Spirit filled Christians.. And is a great way of loosing a generation for Christ!



I helped this man farm back in my younger days. He showed the fruits of the Holy Spirit all his days! Yes! Definitely a Spirit filled Christian!

I wasn't aware that Christians were visually identifiable.
 
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there aught to be visible evidences on the countenance when the professor goes from carnal to spiritual and vice versa.

Hows that? I have seen people smile while telling a lie, and people angry when telling the truth.
 
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Hows that? I have seen people smile while telling a lie, and people angry when telling the truth.

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. - 2 Corinthians 11:14

Satan does know how to use the power of light to deceive...
 
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And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. - 2 Corinthians 11:14

Satan does know how to use the power of light to deceive...

How then do we use outward appearance to know carnal vs spiritual?
 
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How then do we use outward appearance to know carnal vs spiritual?

A godly joy, for example....



A carnal joy, for example


A pure and a wholesome spirituality ought to radiate from the countenance.
 
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A godly joy, for example....



A carnal joy, for example


A pure and a wholesome spirituality ought to radiate from the countenance.

Perhaps you never heard of Job then? Or the apostles who endured such hardship that they despaired even of life itself? Maybe you haven't read that we mourn with those that mourn? Or that those who sow tears bear precious seed? How about Christ who was nailed to a cross, despising the shame of it, and died a horrible wretched sinners death, though he was the King of Kings? Have you not read that we must take up our cross and follow Him?
 
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Yea... But with Christ there can be joy in the hardships.
 
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A godly joy, for example....



A carnal joy, for example


A pure and a wholesome spirituality ought to radiate from the countenance.

This post is among the wildest I've seen on CF. I wish that you could have seen my facial expression when I saw it.
 
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I don't think laying of the hands is related to 1 Cor 12:11; it is about helping to receive the Holy Spirit.
 
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Also the Holy Spirit doesn't use another person to interpret the sayings of another person. He deals directly Person to person.

If anyone speaks in a tongue, two--or at the most three--
should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.

That is spirits of the persons involved, nothing to do with the Holy Spirit since He directly utters through a person.
Here in 1 Cor 12, it shows that it IS the Holy Spirit who "works" all these things... as HE wills.
And indeed the Holy Spirit does use another person to "interpret tongues":

...to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
10and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another
the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the
interpretation of tongues.11But one and the same Spirit works all these things,
distributing to each one individually just as He wills.
 
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What Exactly is a "Spirit-Filled" Church?
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. (Acts 2:41-47).

And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness. And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. (Acts 4:31,32).
 
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Thank you for sharing that story too. What you're describing is also why I think most don't - and shouldn't - have these intense feelings of euphoria all the time with God. It can confuse the person,
Men and women through the ages have had "intense feelings of euphoria" with their spouse. It's just what happens when
you're in love. So i think it's quite natural to feel the same when worshiping. At least that's how it works with me.

Huh?
When I don't have the feelings, it doesn't change anything at all.
Just as when a man doesn't feel all fluttery with his bride. still same
relationship, still same love But when that man is in the middle of
pouring his heart out to his bride, telling her how great his love is
for her, using words to describe it etc.. then it's a natural response
for both of them to feel giddy.

I'd be more concerned about those who are sad, depressed, angry, sullen etc. than those who find Joy in God's presence.
It was, after all, His plan. He wants us to come to Him to find peace, joy, healing, love, etc.

Her priests I will clothe with salvation,
and her saints will shout for joy. ~Psalms

Though you have not seen him, you love him.
Though you do not now see him, you believe in
him and rejoice with joy that is inexpressible and filled with glory...
~1 Peter 1

My lips will shout for joy, when I sing praises to you;
my soul also, which you have redeemed. ~Psalm 71
 
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