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[miamited]

What about women buying gowns that cost over $10k to wear one time. I am sure the list of such expenditures would be very long.

Hi Mary,

Yes, well those women would be pretty much like this man. Children of the world and not likely children of God. That's really the whole point here as I understand the OP's questions. Is this man teaching the true gospel to his flock or is he rather just teaching that monetary riches are the things to seek? Is what he teaches of God or of the world?

I did watch the video and one thing that I noted was that he struts around at the podium holding what appears to be a bible in his hand, but he never actually acknowledges it or reads anything from it. He stops and opens it a few times and then closes it up and goes on to brag about his riches and telling others that Jesus isn't going to let poor people into heaven.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[miamited]

Hi sunlover,

You wrote:

Gen 24
And the LORD hath blessed my master greatly;
and he is become great: and he hath given him flocks,
and herds, and silver, and gold, and menservants,
and maidservants, and camels, and asses.
Lot and Abraham had so much that the land couldn't hold them both.
And it was a blessing from God.

Absolutely God does provide blessings, however...

This passage isn't about Abraham bragging about his riches and trying to show that his monetary wealth is a sign of his faithfulness. This is Abraham's servant telling someone else that Abraham is rich and that it is a result of God's blessing for the purpose of securing a wife for Abraham's son.

Deut 8:18
But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God:
for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth,
that he may establish his covenant which he sware
unto thy fathers, as it is this day.

Here we are told that God gives the power to get wealth, but for a specific purpose, 'that he may establish his covenant which he swore to the fathers, as it is this day. God can and will certainly use wealth to accomplish His purposes. He gave Solomon great wealth. For me and my understanding of all that the Scriptures tell us, God had a specific purpose in calling Abram. He was going to establish through him a nation of people to be His emissaries upon the earth. For that purpose, God gave Abraham great wealth. That's what the Scriptures are saying about the wealth given to Abraham. That it's purpose was used of God to establish His covenant.

He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham
might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, '
so that by faith we might receive
the promise of the Spirit.

Here, I'm fairly confident that the 'blessing' being referred to is not God's blessing of wealth, but the 'blessing' of salvation. That's why it says 'through Christ Jesus so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit'. The promise of the Spirit is not great wealth. It is the indwelling assurance of coming salvation.

So yes, God can and does bless some people with a certain amount of 'wealth', but I'm confident that He doesn't expect or appreciate those that He so blesses to go about bragging that wealth is some sure sign of godliness.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[98cwitr]

If you are correct, there are thousands of people there. What do you make of them? Are they sheep? Are they goats? Are they victims???

They are doing what they want. This man is simply the wrath of God given to a people who do not want to hear God's true word.

 

[miamited]

Hi brian,

Thanks for the like. The Scripture that comes immediately to my mind when viewing such a display is Paul's warning to Timothy that a time is coming when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Rather, they will surround themselves with a crowd of witnesses to tell them what their itching ears want to hear.

God bless you
In Christ, Ted

 

[Rygaku]

i am pretty sure he wouldn't. In the bible he was against worldly possessions
and things even money at that so no he wouldn't own such as expensive pet.

 

[Optimax]

There is a very special place in hell* for those who rob from cancer victims, widows, and the destitute. Je

-CryptoLutheran

*For what it's worth, I'm not presuming to know who is going to hell or not, this is intended as a harshly worded criticism for those who engage in this sort of behavior; people who use the Lord's name to destroy and injure the weakest and most vulnerable people is unquestionably abominable and deserve to have their actions condemned in the
harshest terms possible.

That very thing was said about women that don't vote for Hillary.

 

[sunlover1]

Hi sunlover,

You wrote:


Absolutely God does provide blessings, however...

This passage isn't about Abraham bragging about his riches and trying to show that his monetary wealth is a sign of his faithfulness. This is Abraham's servant telling someone else that Abraham is rich and that it is a result of God's blessing for the purpose of securing a wife for Abraham's son.

Like i said, I didn't watch the video and I was using this passage to show
that yes, God does indeed bless in such a way

Here we are told that God gives the power to get wealth, but for a specific purpose, 'that he may establish his covenant which he swore to the fathers, as it is this day. God can and will certainly use wealth to accomplish His purposes. He gave Solomon great wealth. For me and my understanding of all that the Scriptures tell us, God had a specific purpose in calling Abram. He was going to establish through him a nation of people to be His emissaries upon the earth. For that purpose, God gave Abraham great wealth. That's what the Scriptures are saying about the wealth given to Abraham. That it's purpose was used of God to establish His covenant.

Yes, that's why I made the word "THAT" so large and bold ...
To show purpose

Here, I'm fairly confident that the 'blessing' being referred to is not God's blessing of wealth, but the 'blessing' of salvation. That's why it says 'through Christ Jesus so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit'. The promise of the Spirit is not great wealth. It is the indwelling assurance of coming salvation.

I guess you're just reiterating my post.

So yes, God can and does bless some people with a certain amount of 'wealth', but I'm confident that He doesn't expect or appreciate those that He so blesses to go about bragging that wealth is some sure sign of godliness.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

Amen, He does indeed.
And no, bragging is the opposite of what we do.

 

[sunlover1]

That very thing was said about women that don't vote for Hillary.

A "special" place for women like me who won't vote Hill in?
Interesting.
So voting for someone who lies like a rug is honorable nowdays.
Got it.

 

[sunlover1]

i am pretty sure he wouldn't. In the bible he was against worldly possessions
and things even money at that so no he wouldn't own such as expensive pet.

That same God who "rewarded" King Solomon with "...riches and wealth and honor,
such as none of the kings who were before you has possessed nor those who will come after you."?
Doesn't sound like He's at all "against" worldly possessions OR money.
Our God is "against" coveting after such things, but not against blessing us WITH
such things,,, if He has our heart.. IMO
I can understand why you'd think He's anti possessions though.
He told the rich young ruler to sell all his possessions.
He said that the LOVE of money is the root of ALL evil...
But it's the love OF it, not money itself. IN fact, money
can bless a lot of homeless, starving etc people.
(I didn't watch the video, just saw your post and answered)

 

[com7fy8]

we are told that God gives the power to get wealth, but for a specific purpose, 'that he may establish his covenant which he swore to the fathers, as it is this day.

But His kingdom is spiritual. Money can not, truly, establish His spiritual kingdom. It is like how a king is not saved by a great army. The true wealth is His grace which produces His riches in us. "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." (in 2 Corinthians 12:9) Paul could do God's purpose, no matter what his circumstance > Philippians 4:10-13.

However, God does use money But any person in whatever state can do what is for His kingdom. I think of how Abraham so rich went with his son up on the mountain top and offered up his son Isaac. How much money did that take? But what results did he get? >

"'In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.'" (Genesis 22:18)

So, not his wealth, but his obedience, has gotten "all the nations of the earth" "blessed"!!! And how much publicity did he get, in order to accomplish this?? What is in the sight of God is what works > including our example of how godly women's example in the sight of God, I understand, can win a disobedient hubby > 1 Peter 3:1-4.

This means, then, I consider - - - your obedience and example in the sight of God can do more than the effort and money of many people, plus your living for God can do more than all the efforts of all the ungodly presidents and kings combined of all history. So, if we spend much time on broadcasting what wrong people do, supposing this will change things . . . obedience works Because God uses our obedience.

God can and will certainly use wealth to accomplish His purposes.

With obedience in what we do with our wealth . . . or not having so much > God is not limited to how much we have, but there is how much God is able to do with it.

He gave Solomon great wealth.

And yet, look what Solomon eventually did with his wealth and fame. So, if he could break down, like that, how much of a person was he, when he got all the wealth? I trust that God is able to change our character so we become godly and therefore not able to break down, like that; and this "would" be much more valuable.

"The money does not change the hearts."

For me and my understanding of all that the Scriptures tell us, God had a specific purpose in calling Abram. He was going to establish through him a nation of people to be His emissaries upon the earth. For that purpose, God gave Abraham great wealth. That's what the Scriptures are saying about the wealth given to Abraham. That it's purpose was used of God to establish His covenant.

It does say that. But I think his obedience is what really made things work. The wealth helped with certain practical things.

And Jesus on the cross, by His obedience, did more > Romans 5:19.

 

[sunlover1]

I do believe that God blesses us with good health and with financial prosperity,
but this is from my own experiences with Him
Before I had the baptism of the Spirit, I was at the doctors monthly and
scrounging to pay bills. Post Baptism years, health and all good things I
could imagine.
PRE Baptism, I read about God and tried to be good.
POST Baptism, I came to KNOW God and I LET God lead me into paths
of righteousness (For HIS Name's sake)
Drastic change after the baptism.

 

[miamited]

Hi comfy,

I think you may have misunderstood my posting. I was responding to sunlover and I was pointing out exactly the same thing that you then pointed out to me. You really should have directed your response to sunlover.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[rockytopva]

Just looking at the image on the video makes me say to myself... No... I am not watching the video!

 

[sunlover1]

Hi comfy,

I think you may have misunderstood my posting. I was responding to sunlover and I was pointing out exactly the same thing that you then pointed out to me. You really should have directed your response to sunlover.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

And you pointed out the very things I'd already said LOL
We're just a big echo over here

 

[sunlover1]

Just looking at the image on the video makes me say to myself... No... I am not watching the video!

IKR?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Just looking at the image on the video makes me say to myself... No... I am not watching the video!

Why is that?

 

[rockytopva]

Why is that?

The countenance of God is not on his face

 

[rockytopva]

The countenance of God is not on his face

The countenance of God from the Pilgrims Progress...

Then said the Interpreter, Come in; I will show that which will be profitable to thee. So he commanded his man to light the candle, and bid Christian follow him: so he had him into a private room, and bid his man open a door; the which when he had done, Christian saw the picture of a very grave person hang up against the wall; and this was the fashion of it. It had eyes lifted up to heaven, the best of books in his hand, the law of truth was written upon his lips, the world was behind his back. It stood as if it pleaded with men, and a crown of gold did hang over his head.

Then said Christian, What meaneth this?

The man whose picture this is, is one of a thousand; he can beget children [1 Cor. 4:15], travail in birth with children [Gal. 4:19], and nurse them himself when they are born. And whereas thou seest him with his eyes lift up to heaven, the best of books in his hand, and the law of truth writ on his lips, it is to show thee that his work is to know and unfold dark things to sinners; even as also thou seest him stand as if he pleaded with men: and whereas thou seest the world as cast behind him, and that a crown hangs over his head, that is to show thee that slighting and despising the things that are present, for the love that he hath to his Master's service, he is sure in the world that comes next to have glory for his reward. Now, said the Interpreter, I have showed thee this picture first, because the man whose picture this is, is the only man whom the Lord of the place whither thou art going, hath authorized to be thy guide in all difficult places thou mayest meet with in the way; wherefore, take good heed to what I have shewed thee, and bear well in thy mind what thou hast seen, lest in thy journey thou meet with some that pretend to lead thee right, but their way goes down to death. - John Bunyan

In which Billy Graham has this look...

 

[Xalith]

They are doing what they want. This man is simply the wrath of God given to a people who do not want to hear God's true word.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 in a nutshell.

I refuse to judge a minister/pastor, but the Bible gives us an obligation to discern what they're teaching. Someone who's boasting is exalting himself above Christ, and that's why I don't listen to people like that. I'm not going to judge them and slander them, though, so I'll just leave it at that.

 

[Sabertooth]

Owning (expensive) stuff isn't a problem as long as it doesn't violate Biblical priorities. I read that Christian J.C. Penney was giving 90% of his income away and was still able to afford a wealthy lifestyle.