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[Oafman]

Yes -- the edge of the cosmic horizon, which is expanding.

Expanding into heaven?

 

[AV1611VET]

Expanding into heaven?

Possibly.

I look at it like this:

Since the Bible says the universe was both "expanded" and "is expanding," I like to use the analogy of a balloon.

Take a balloon and blow it up with smoke.

Let the smoke represent the physical universe.

Now, take the outer edges of the balloon and, in a split-second of time, balloon it outward to a distance of a quadrillion miles.

What happens?

The smoke begins expanding.

Thus you have both "expanded" the universe, and also the universe "is expanding" at the same time.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

If we hadn't evolved, we wouldn't be here.

Yet evolution is not supported by the evidence. Only adaptation and variation within Kind. Nothing has ever been observed to become another species.

Peppered moths, E coli, Dogs, Cats, Finches - all genetically of the same species as they started out as.

Limits of variation reached in every single actual experiment in plant and animal husbandry. Limits of variation that caused mutation programs to virtually drop it as having any viability.

The only place evolution is viable - is in one's own mind. In the real world nothing has been shown to even suggest it as a viable theory.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Possibly.

I look at it like this:

Since the Bible says the universe was both "expanded" and "is expanding," I like to use the analogy of a balloon.

Take a balloon and blow it up with smoke.

Let the smoke represent the physical universe.

Now, take the outer edges of the balloon and, in a split-second of time, balloon it outward to a distance of a quadrillion miles.

What happens?

The smoke begins expanding.

Thus you have both "expanded" the universe, and also the universe "is expanding" at the same time.

Yet we observe no expansion in the "present" - all is in the past even if we incorrectly assume redshift = expansion. The closer to the present - the less the light is red-shifted. Until we arrive at the present - and observe no expansion at all. In which redshift suddenly becomes a Doppler Shift within a medium.

 

[Loudmouth]

Yet we observe no expansion in the "present" - all is in the past even if we incorrectly assume redshift = expansion. The closer to the present - the less the light is red-shifted. Until we arrive at the present - and observe no expansion at all. In which redshift suddenly becomes a Doppler Shift within a medium.

That's like saying that nobody gains or loses weight because no one's weight has fluctuated in the last 10 microseconds. This means that no one could have been born since that would require people to be just a few pounds in weight and nobody's weight can change since it hasn't changed in last 10 microseconds.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

So entropy stops increasing in your vision?

Tell me more about your mother.

I still say chemical bonds don't grow weaker with age. This doesn't mean anything that changes what we know about entropy. But an iron beam is as strong today as it was in Adam's day. A diamond doesn't lose strength with time. Water takes the same energy input to break it apart into hydrogen and oxygen no matter how long you let it sit there in your storage tank.

My dear Christian mother is alive and well. Not sure why you want to learn about her.

 

[HitchSlap]

Possibly.

I look at it like this:

Since the Bible says the universe was both "expanded" and "is expanding," I like to use the analogy of a balloon.

Take a balloon and blow it up with smoke.

Let the smoke represent the physical universe.

Now, take the outer edges of the balloon and, in a split-second of time, balloon it outward to a distance of a quadrillion miles.

What happens?

The smoke begins expanding.

Thus you have both "expanded" the universe, and also the universe "is expanding" at the same time.

Right. 'Cept the bible doesn't say that.

 

[Davian]

It's 100 kilometers.

God used the metric system? That was not apparent in the Bible.

 

[SkyWriting]

I still say chemical bonds don't grow weaker with age. This doesn't mean anything that changes what we know about entropy. But an iron beam is as strong today as it was in Adam's day. A diamond doesn't lose strength with time. Water takes the same energy input to break it apart into hydrogen and oxygen no matter how long you let it sit there in your storage tank.

According to the law of entropy, all energy dissipates until no usable energy exists. This includes molecular bonding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

If evolution is true, what would we look like if we hadn't have evolved?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

According to the law of entropy, all energy dissipates until no usable energy exists. This includes molecular bonding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe

Nothing about the law of entropy or the article you linked suggests anything about altering the strength of chemical bonds.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nothing about the law of entropy or the article you linked suggests anything about altering the strength of chemical bonds.

Can't an object lose its temper with age?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Can't an object lose its temper with age?

No. Definitely not in our lifetimes.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Can't an object lose its temper with age?

Yes, but that phenomenon does not involve an alteration in the strength of chemical bonds; instead, it involves an alteration of the number of chemical bonds providing for the strength of the object. Corrosion happens - and it involves oxygen combining with atoms that are then unable to link with other atoms nearby, providing overall a weaker structure. But the actual chemical bond strength - atom to atom - does not change.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, but that phenomenon does not involve an alteration in the strength of chemical bonds; instead, it involves an alteration of the number of chemical bonds providing for the strength of the object. Corrosion happens - and it involves oxygen combining with atoms that are then unable to link with other atoms nearby, providing overall a weaker structure. But the actual chemical bond strength - atom to atom - does not change.

Okay.

Thanks for the 411.