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[trippe]

How am i supposed to trust the Bible, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit when i cant even believe in their existence? Its to the point where they just feel like names and nothing more? I cant make it stop. I cant make it go away. Nothing makes sense. How am i supposed to trust all the people around me when i keep getting contradicting information even with scriptures? I am losing my mind and my nerves are shot and i dont feel like living anymore. I cant be a husband or a father. I cant even be a person anymore. I cant control my thoughts. I have been told its OCD but the I havent read anything in the bible saying unbelief was ok if you have OCD. Unbelief is Unbelief. Sin is Sin. Nothing makes it ok or excuses it so what do i need to do. Why bother even living anymore? Why if God truly exists like everyone says He does wont He help me why cant i be saved. Its not fare. Im so depressed.......

 

[keryakos]

How am i supposed to trust the Bible, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit when i cant even believe in their existence? Its to the point where they just feel like names and nothing more? I cant make it stop. I cant make it go away. Nothing makes sense. How am i supposed to trust all the people around me when i keep getting contradicting information even with scriptures? I am losing my mind and my nerves are shot and i dont feel like living anymore. I cant be a husband or a father. I cant even be a person anymore. I cant control my thoughts. I have been told its OCD but the I havent read anything in the bible saying unbelief was ok if you have OCD. Unbelief is Unbelief. Sin is Sin. Nothing makes it ok or excuses it so what do i need to do. Why bother even living anymore? Why if God truly exists like everyone says He does wont He help me why cant i be saved. Its not fare. Im so depressed.......

I understand what you are going through I really do ..First of all no matter what you are going through no matter how you feel your life is not just about you i say that with kindness im not being harsh ..You are a husband and a father dont you dare cheat them by taking your own life dont you do it ,,I understand but your life is bound to others now Secondly ,, This is not any easy problem to solve in fact its not a problem its a condition but my two cents worth is that its more biological than spiritual ..No doubt it is spiritual but belief in any thing or anyone should never be judged by feelings .I dont have all the answers but if you want to talk i promise to listen i promise not to judge or mistreat you ..I care about you bro ..you can PM me any time ...

 

[JohnnieGuy]

I know what you're going through. I really do. I think a lot of Christians go through this. But think this, it's not unbelief, it's doubt. If you were an unbeliever you wouldn't be worried about being an unbeliever! That is very evidence that you believe. Also remember, where our faith is weak His faith is strong.


That means that even in the times where we don't believe in Him He still believes in us. Pray to God: Lord I believe, Help me my unbelief, and BELIEVE He will and He will. Without faith, we can do nothing. It's trusting in God that pleases Him, because He is God and He knows best. This is very hard for us petty little depraved human beings to do, because we are self-willed and self-centred, but put your eyes on the Lord and He will help you. Not because YOU feel or YOU think He will, but because HE SAYS HE WILL, and He cannot lie.

Let me say that again:

It's not what WE feel or WE think or the world or the devil throws at us about God that matters, it's what GOD SAYS ABOUT GOD THAT MATTERS. God doesn't lie. He is trustworthy. He is mighty to save. He is the rock. Because He says He is. You just gotta trust the one that never fails, trust the Rock, the self-sustaining one, the I AM THAT I AM. He will prevail.

It's hard for us who have had bad parental or other relationships where our trust is broken or those of us who don't even trust what we are thinking to have trust in God. But we can. It takes practice, and it takes courage, but God can't lie. That's an amazing thing. When you think about it, it's really the most amazing thing on the planet. Someone we can ACTUALLY trust.

In Christ,

John

 

[keryakos]

I know what you're going through. I really do. I think a lot of Christians go through this. But think this, it's not unbelief, it's doubt. If you were an unbeliever you wouldn't be worried about being an unbeliever! That is very evidence that you believe. Also remember, where our faith is weak His faith is strong.


That means that even in the times where we don't believe in Him He still believes in us. Pray to God: Lord I believe, Help me my unbelief, and BELIEVE He will and He will. Without faith, we can do nothing. It's trusting in God that pleases Him, because He is God and He knows best. This is very hard for us petty little depraved human beings to do, because we are self-willed and self-centred, but put your eyes on the Lord and He will help you. Not because YOU feel or YOU think He will, but because HE SAYS HE WILL, and He cannot lie.

Let me say that again:

It's not what WE feel or WE think or the world or the devil throws at us about God that matters, it's what GOD SAYS ABOUT GOD THAT MATTERS. God doesn't lie. He is trustworthy. He is mighty to save. He is the rock. Because He says He is. You just gotta trust the one that never fails, trust the Rock, the self-sustaining one, the I AM THAT I AM. He will prevail.

It's hard for us who have had bad parental or other relationships where our trust is broken or those of us who don't even trust what we are thinking to have trust in God. But we can. It takes practice, and it takes courage, but God can't lie. That's an amazing thing. When you think about it, it's really the most amazing thing on the planet. Someone we can ACTUALLY trust.

In Christ,

John

very good post johnnie

 

[annrobert]

How am i supposed to trust the Bible, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit when i cant even believe in their existence? Its to the point where they just feel like names and nothing more? I cant make it stop. I cant make it go away. Nothing makes sense. How am i supposed to trust all the people around me when i keep getting contradicting information even with scriptures? I am losing my mind and my nerves are shot and i dont feel like living anymore. I cant be a husband or a father. I cant even be a person anymore. I cant control my thoughts. I have been told its OCD but the I havent read anything in the bible saying unbelief was ok if you have OCD. Unbelief is Unbelief. Sin is Sin. Nothing makes it ok or excuses it so what do i need to do. Why bother even living anymore? Why if God truly exists like everyone says He does wont He help me why cant i be saved. Its not fare. Im so depressed.......

You know that you are supposed to trust Them precisely because you believe in Them.
Inside your heart and spirit you believe in Jesus and are safe.
Jesus said he that believeth in Me has everlasting life.
Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out ( regardless of anything...such as doubt or fears or troubles with our minds or mistakes)If we come to Jesus we will not be cast out and Jesus will take care of the rest as we grow in Him.
You have made a choice to come to Jesus even though you have doubts,you have made a choice to believe in Jesus no matter any doubts or afflictions or fears ocd or any trouble going on in your mind or feelings or emotions,so Jesus says you have everlasting life and He will not cast you out.
Jesus gives us our strength ,Jesus has the power to keep us regardless of what afflictions we go through in body or mind or emotions or in life,Jesus knows how to keep us.
Jesus is our Saviour and Healer and Protector and our Mighty Counsellor and Jesus is Mighty to save.
Jesus invites us to cast all our cares on Him because He cares for us.
He will never leave us or forsake us.
When the Son sets us free we are free indeed.
When we realize Jesus great understanding and mercy and compassion we are free to serve Him with our whole heart and love Him the way we want to.
When we realize the depth of Jesus love for us and His great and gentle Power and compassion for us and that Jesus is keeping us safe,the fear and doubt will get less and less and we will grow spiritually and thrive.
Jesus promises to give us strength and peace and rest and joy.
Jesus meant it when He said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.
Jesus loves us.
Jesus loves you.
annrobert

 

[annrobert]

How am i supposed to trust the Bible, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit when i cant even believe in their existence? Its to the point where they just feel like names and nothing more? I cant make it stop. I cant make it go away.
Nothing makes sense. How am i supposed to trust all the people around me when i keep getting contradicting information even with scriptures? I am losing my mind and my nerves are shot and i dont feel like living anymore. I cant be a husband or a father. I cant even be a person anymore. I cant control my thoughts. I have been told its OCD but the I havent read anything in the bible saying unbelief was ok if you have OCD. Unbelief is Unbelief. Sin is Sin. Nothing makes it ok or excuses it so what do i need to do. Why bother even living anymore? Why if God truly exists like everyone says He does wont He help me why cant i be saved. Its not fare. Im so depressed.......

I just want you to know that Jesus healed me of very similiar state.
Jesus cares about you,
Jesus Bless You
annrobert

 

[trippe]

I understand what everyone is saying but my mind wont let me believe or trust. I have become a hateful person, bitter and angrey which i have tried to confess and not do any more but the anxiety gets so bad. I have even hit myself before, broken things and done so much stuff wrong or that i wish i could take back. Im so confused and tore up inside. I hate myself because i want to be a good dad and husband but im so screwed up i havent been able to trust anything that i think or feel for a very long time. I dont know how to believe, accept, recieve, have faith, trust. Im so very confused i hope God hears the prayers of others because i dont think Hes listening to me anymore. I think that i have rejected to much. Im afraid that my conscience is too seared and my mind and heart too hard. I really nead prayer. I appreciate your replies. Thank you.

 

[JohnnieGuy]

Have you ever tried just believing? Just believe what God says is true.

Christ died for YOUR SINS. He already lived the life you cannot possibly live on your own. And He was the sacrifice that covers you and your transgressions against God. He already did it all. Just accept it like a little kid. Dad says so, that means it's true. Trust Dad, He knows everything you did and everything you're going to do and He still loved you enough to die for you.

 

[annrobert]

I understand what everyone is saying but my mind wont let me believe or trust.
Romans 8 verse 7
7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

We all have a carnal mind ,we are unable to be subject to God or believe in Him on our own,our minds are naturally enemies to God.
God already knows this,He understands.
So then we know we believe in Jesus in our heart and spirit,regardless of what our minds do to us because of ocd or any problem for that matter.
We must just make a choice to believe in Him no matter what problems ocd causes us,and I surely do empathize with all the pain and torment that ocd and fears can cause us.I wish you were not going through all this pain and I hope you get better soon.
Also renewing our minds by reading the bible is very very helpful.
Jesus is the Word of God.
So reading the bible truly does renew our minds,this is very helpful to overcome our minds.
It may not seem like it at first ,but as we keep on reading the bible it truly does renew our minds.
When Jesus sets us free we are free indeed.Some parts of the bible I really enjoy are the four gospels ,as well as the Psalms and Isaiah ch 53,it is a very short and powerful chapter.

I have become a hateful person, bitter and angrey which i have tried to confess and not do any more but the anxiety gets so bad.

Jesus understands our weaknesses and He knows you want to get stronger.Jesus invites us to pour our hearts out to him.
Jesus invites us to come to Him for rest.
And to cast all our cares on Him because He cares for us.
Jesus invites us to come boldly to His throne of grace and make our requests known.
We can pray to Jesus about any of our problems or fears or anything.
Jesus gives us strength and we can do nothing without Him.
Jesus says we can ask Him for any good thing and He will give it to us.
This includes strength and hope and peace and rest.Don't give up ,wait on Jesus.

I have even hit myself before, broken things and done so much stuff wrong or that i wish i could take back. Im so confused and tore up inside.

All of us have done things we regret,This is why Jesus came to save us .
Jesus is our Saviour ,our Redeemer and our Rock and our Refuge.We are hidden in Him.


I hate myself because i want to be a good dad and husband but im so screwed up i havent been able to trust anything that i think or feel for a very long time.

When I was going through all the torment and terror I felt like so condemned and awful because I could not meet my families needs.I hated myself too.I also could not trust anything I felt or thought ,so many questions and doubts and fears and the never ending anguish and pain.Yet Jesus took Me out of it all,without me having to do anything,I did not have to get my mind straight or get strong first or anything,Jesus healed me just the way I was.It seemed like forever that I suffered.Yet Jesus took me out of it all.My children all still love me.My husband and I love each other.Jesus never fails.All things are possible to Jesus ,our Saviour who is Mighty to Save.Our Rock and our Fortress.

I dont know how to believe, accept, recieve, have faith, trust. Im so very confused

You do believe in your spirit and heart.ocd and fears are trying to trick you into thinking you do not.It is very apparent that you do.
Just come to Jesus ,just the way you are and tell Him all about everything.He will never cat you out.He loves you more deeply than you can comprehend.

i hope God hears the prayers of others
He does and I will definately be praying for you.

because i dont think Hes listening to me anymore.

Jesus hears every single prayer you pray.I thought Jesus was not listening to me.I thought Jesus was furious with me and I had no right to pray.Yet I was so wrong.For long time I prayed and read the bible despite my terrors,then I got so weak I did not pray other than Jesus please help me and forgive me.I quit attending church for so long because it was too painful..But I was so wrong.Jesus heard every prayer.No matter how small.
He was listening,He was keeping me and protecting me.He is my Saviour forever and always.My Lord and my God.My Redeemer and Healer.And all of ours here on this board and yours too.He protects us and keeps us safe even when we struggle and fear and feel unsafe and have ocd thoughts and troubles.He will never let us go.

I think that i have rejected to much. Im afraid that my conscience is too seared and my mind and heart too hard. I really nead prayer. I appreciate your replies. Thank you.

Nothing is too difficult for God.
Love never fails.
Love is patient and kind and longsuffering.
His mercy endures forever.
His compassions fail not.

Luke 11
5And he said unto them, Which of you shall have a friend, and shall go unto him at midnight, and say unto him, Friend, lend me three loaves;

6For a friend of mine in his journey is come to me, and I have nothing to set before him?
7And he from within shall answer and say, Trouble me not: the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give thee.
8I say unto you, Though he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend, yet because of his importunity he will rise and give him as many as he needeth.
9And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
10For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
11If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Luke 4 verse 18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Mathew 12 verse 20
A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench
This is our God
Mighty to save
trustworthy
He will never let us go.
None will snatch us out of His hand and we will never perish.
praying for you
annrobert


Psalm 23


1The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. 6Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

 

[trippe]

Nothing ever gets any better. If im not saved now i never will be and that scares me too death. I cant make myself believe no matter how hard i try and that goes for accepting, receiving, trusting, having faith and so on. i dont want to do this anymore.

 

[keryakos]

Trippe unless one is insane one would not die for something that they know is a lie now would they ? The discipels knew whether or not Jesus actually rose from the dead he appeared to them ..most of them ended up facing the executioner at the end of their lives for their faith .... they knew for an objective fact that Christ had either risen or not .if it were not true i promise you they would not have gone that far ...Now lets suppose im right ..Then if Jesus rose from the dead then that proves that the God of Jesus Christ was and is the Lord ..You see its one thing to ressucitate a human body but not after 48 hours Resurection is a new creation just as when God in the begining spoke what did not exist into existence . God raised Jesus from the dead . Jesus himself spoke to Lazarus and said Lazarus COME FORTH and he that was dead came forth ... Death cannot be reversed for a man that had been lying in a tomb for three days and decomposition had already set in ...GOD BRINGS LIFE OUT OF NOTHING Only God can do that trippe only God can do it .And i promisde you trippe if you will just hang on a little longer if you will cry out to him in your despair he will hear you voice It is Gods will that you believe and if you want to believe or if you can at least say to him i want to help me want to believe it will happen

 

[pw89]

Hey trippe,

I know that what you're probably going through is a nightmare right now, but I want to re-echo what other people have been saying: hang on and let the anxiety be. Consider this: belief and faith is a choice. Sometimes, even when we feel like we don't believe and don't really have any confirmation in our hearts/feelings that we do actually believe, we simply have to deliberately and intellectually CHOOSE to believe. An example that illustrates this is the action of forgiveness. Forgiveness is also a choice. When someone has hurt you deeply, you may not FEEL like forgiving that person at all. But, you choose, despite your feelings, to deliberately forgive that person. Drawing this out further, imagine then seeing the person a couple of days later, and feeling all the hurt, anger, contempt, and hatred rushing back to you--you may question whether you truly forgave that person at all. BUT, here again is the important point: forgiveness is a choice. In that moment, even despite your feelings, you must tell yourself, "You know what, even though I feel these feelings toward that person, I still deliberately CHOOSE to forgive that person."

The same applies to faith: right now, trippe, hang on. Let the anxiety be; do NOT fight it; do not push it away or draw near to it--simply let the anxiety sit and fight any urge to reduce it. Then, after you do that for a while, CHOOSE to believe. Tell yourself and God: "Even though I don't feel like I believe or that I have received Jesus as my Lord and Savior and even though I DEFINITELY have doubts--I CHOOSE to believe that Jesus died for my sins, that He IS my Lord and Savior, and that by the truth in the Bible, I am saved." The end. Leave it at that.

This choice is all done without feelings or confirmation of feelings--the choice is done mentally and intellectually, deliberately and determinedly. Faith is a choice. Deliberately choose, in spite of feelings (again, let the anxiety simply sit), that "-->This<-- is what I believe; -->this<-- is what I CHOOSE to believe." Period. Leave it at that.

Even after that, let the anxiety be. If more doubts, fears, and uncertainties pop into your mind, let them be. Let them all be.

I hope that helps; I have prayed and will be praying for you,

In Christ,
-pw

Also: PLEASE see your therapist ASAP or find an OCD therapist ASAP if you have not done so.