7 Day creation- literal or figurative?

Aman777 · Nov 5, 2016

Kenneth Redden said:
I believe that we are on the fourth day, the day he made the stars also. Genesis 1:16.

God (YHWH/Jesus/Lord God) made the first Stars on the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 When they exploded, they provided the necessary ingredients to make/shape/fashion our Universe. Carl Sagan said "We are starstuff". The process continues today on the present 6th Day and will continue until Jesus returns and changes ALL creatures into vegetarians. Gen 1:30 and Isa 11:7. That is God's Truth, Scripturally.

FredVB · Nov 6, 2016

God has not taken dust and created any human or earthly creature since creation. He gave Adam and Eve and every creature the gift of carrying on His creation by reproducing. God maintains.
The Holy Spirit has not created any earthly creature since creation week either.

God did NOT create any creature from the dust of the ground. That was Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) Gen 2:7
*** He gave Adam and Eve and every creature the gift of carrying on His creation by reproducing. God maintains.

Yahweh created all that is the world in the six days that were the days of creation, creating things uniquely from nothing that was there previously. As Creator Yahweh can do that. We cannot do that, nor understand how it can be done, but things ultimately come from the Creator without what is previously there. Yahweh rested from that creation afterward, on the seventh day, with that it is shown as holy, for us to know there is a seventh day for us, to be kept holy as a day of rest for us, with coming to God, as it is possible for that through Christ.

Yahweh works after that, and remains Creator, so the maintenance included creation from what is there, so we are here with that with creation of each of us, and creation from what is here is something that we can do a little of too.

I don't see what distinction could be meant between God creating and Yahweh creating, it is the same thing.

The Spirit of God is involved in that creation as Creator just as much.

There are those of us who are vegetarian or vegan now, there are great reasons calling for such, that shouldn't be just dismissed, and the world will become that again. There isn't any need whatsoever to wait for that.

mmksparbud · Nov 7, 2016

FredVB said:
Yahweh created all that is the world in the six days that were the days of creation, creating things uniquely from nothing that was there previously. As Creator Yahweh can do that. We cannot do that, nor understand how it can be done, but things ultimately come from the Creator without what is previously there. Yahweh rested from that creation afterward, on the seventh day, with that it is shown as holy, for us to know there is a seventh day for us, to be kept holy as a day of rest for us, with coming to God, as it is possible for that through Christ.

Yahweh works after that, and remains Creator, so the maintenance included creation from what is there, so we are here with that with creation of each of us, and creation from what is here is something that we can do a little of too.

I don't see what distinction could be meant between God creating and Yahweh creating, it is the same thing.

The Spirit of God is involved in that creation as Creator just as much.

There are those of us who are vegetarian or vegan now, there are great reasons calling for such, that shouldn't be just dismissed, and the world will become that again. There isn't any need whatsoever to wait for that.

Except for Adam and Eve and the land animals He made from the earth.

Gen_2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen_2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Water and fowl He used water:

Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

But He created both land and water.

Kenneth Redden · Nov 7, 2016

Genesis 1:27 does not say when man was created, only that man was made on the sixth day. Everything was created, before being made (Genesis 2:3); so, man must have been created before the sixth day.
And then there is the man, Melchisedec king of Salem, priest to the most high God. He was from everlasting (Hebrews 7:3); therefore, man must have been created, “from the beginning.”
But the best reason I have to believe that man was created from the beginning is because of Jesus Christ, a man; from everlasting.

mmksparbud · Nov 7, 2016

Kenneth Redden said:
Genesis 1:27 does not say when man was created, only that man was made on the sixth day. Everything was created before being made (Genesis 2:3) so man must have been created before the sixth day. And then there is the man, Melchisedec king of Salem, priest to the most high God; he was from everlasting (Hebrews 7:3); therefore, man must have been created, “from the beginning.” But the best reason I have to believe that man was created from the beginning is because Jesus Christ, a man, is from everlasting.

Jesus Christ was not "a man" until He was born of Mary--before that He was only fully divine!

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Gen is the order in which things were created and on which day--Gen 2 is detailing how it was done:
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Adam was created on day 6 from the dust of the ground and God breathed into him and he became a living soul on that day 6. Not before.

Kenneth Redden · Nov 7, 2016

Aman777 said:
God (YHWH/Jesus/Lord God) made the first Stars on the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 When they exploded, they provided the necessary ingredients to make/shape/fashion our Universe. Carl Sagan said "We are starstuff". The process continues today on the present 6th Day and will continue until Jesus returns and changes ALL creatures into vegetarians. Gen 1:30 and Isa 11:7. That is God's Truth, Scripturally.

Please; back up your statements with scripture, I prefer the KJV Bible.

Kenneth Redden · Nov 7, 2016

mmksparbud said:
Adam was created on day 6 from the dust of the ground and God breathed into him and he became a living soul on that day 6. Not before.

Where does it say in the Bible that Adam was created on the sixth day? Genesis 1:27 does not say when God created man.

mmksparbud · Nov 7, 2016

Kenneth Redden said:
Where does it say in the Bible that Adam was created on the sixth day? Genesis 1:27 does not say when God created man.

I don't believe you can actually ask that.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

What more do you want? He creates something, says, evening and morning are such a day, then creates something else on the next day, ---after day 5 comes day 6--and He states what He created on that day---all the land animals and man, and woman (Adam means man--it means human).

http://www.mechanical-translation.org/mt/translation1.html
Genesis 1:23
and evening existed and morning existed, a fifth day,
Genesis 1:26
and Elohiym said, we will make a human in our image, like our likeness, and he will rule in the fish of the sea and in the flyers of the skies, and in the beast, and in all the land, and in all the treaders treading upon the land,
Genesis 1:27
and Elohiym fattened the human in his image, in the image of Elohiym he fattened him, male and female he fattened them,
Genesis 1:31
and Elohiym saw all which he made, and look, it is very functional, and evening existed and morning existed, a sixth day,

Kenneth Redden · Nov 7, 2016

mmksparbud said:
I don't believe you can actually ask that.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

What more do you want? He creates something, says, evening and morning are such a day, then creates something else on the next day, ---after day 5 comes day 6--and He states what He created on that day---all the land animals and man, and woman (Adam means man--it means human).

http://www.mechanical-translation.org/mt/translation1.html
Genesis 1:23
and evening existed and morning existed, a fifth day,
Genesis 1:26
and Elohiym said, we will make a human in our image, like our likeness, and he will rule in the fish of the sea and in the flyers of the skies, and in the beast, and in all the land, and in all the treaders treading upon the land,
Genesis 1:27
and Elohiym fattened the human in his image, in the image of Elohiym he fattened him, male and female he fattened them,
Genesis 1:31
and Elohiym saw all which he made, and look, it is very functional, and evening existed and morning existed, a sixth day,

Please use the KJV Bible, it is the only one I know. I can not relate to the translation you have used here.

mmksparbud · Nov 7, 2016

Kenneth Redden said:
Please use the KJV Bible, it is the only one I know. I can not relate to the translation you have used here.

That's really too bad, because it is a transliteration of the original Hebrew. Word for word. It also shows the original Hebrew pictograph along with the written Hebrew word and the pronunciation. It is very interesting and far, far more accurate. I use the KJV, but I check against the Mechanical Translation for when I want to see what it really says, not how it has been interpreted. To me there is a big difference between translation and interpretation. Most are interpretations of Hebrew, (for the OT), like the word corruption is not what the original word was---it is dysfunctional. One word can make a big difference, some people end up with a whole different view and theory from just one word.

pat34lee · Nov 7, 2016

Aman777 said:
The perfect God would NOT be perfect IF He rested (ceased creating) before His perfect Heaven was brought to perfection and filled with ALL of its host. The LAST sinner to be created a new creature in Christ is STILL future to 2016, since we live today on the Day of Salvation, the last Day/Age, the 6th Day, at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating TODAY. Amen?

Not right. In fact, very wrong.
The heavens and earth and all creation
was perfect at the end of day 6, or 144
hours after creation began. At that point,
no other creation was necessary. Every
miracle through the ages was already set
and ready to happen.

Only after this earth is ready to fade will
it be destroyed and a new heaven and
earth will be created to replace ours. At
that time of re-creation, we will get our
new bodies, and there will no longer be
death or reason for tears. Until then,
same bodies, same covenant, same creation.

pat34lee · Nov 7, 2016

FredVB said:
There are those of us who are vegetarian or vegan now, there are great reasons calling for such, that shouldn't be just dismissed, and the world will become that again. There isn't any need whatsoever to wait for that.

There are some health benefits to it
if done properly. No biblical reasons.

After the flood, it became necessary
to eat meat in order to make up for
the lack of nutrients which occur from
over-farming areas over long periods
of time. Also, from lack of variety of
foods before airlines, trucking, green-
houses and refrigeration.

Kenneth Redden · Nov 8, 2016

Aman777 said:
God (YHWH/Jesus/Lord God) made the first Stars on the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 When they exploded, they provided the necessary ingredients to make/shape/fashion our Universe.

It does not say that in the Holy Bible? I say that the fourth day is the only day God made the stars; because it is not said of another day in Genesis one and because once the stars are made, there is no stopping them. Save; the second coming of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

Kenneth Redden · Nov 8, 2016

mmksparbud said:
That's really too bad, because it is a transliteration of the original Hebrew. Word for word. It also shows the original Hebrew pictograph along with the written Hebrew word and the pronunciation. It is very interesting and far, far more accurate. I use the KJV, but I check against the Mechanical Translation for when I want to see what it really says, not how it has been interpreted. To me there is a big difference between translation and interpretation. Most are interpretations of Hebrew, (for the OT), like the word corruption is not what the original word was---it is dysfunctional. One word can make a big difference, some people end up with a whole different view and theory from just one word.

However; you are reading the wrong message in the KJV Bible. You are reading the message in the text, which was written for those of the third day of the creation. It is the letters of the text, which is the media for the revelation the apostle Paul has given us here in the fourth day of the creation. The mystery of the revelation can be found in the doublet of days, 2 Peter 3:3-8.

Aman777 · Nov 8, 2016

FredVB said:
I don't see what distinction could be meant between God creating and Yahweh creating, it is the same thing.

Nevertheless, Scripture does and here's why:

1. God (Trinity) creating is ALWAYS an Eternal Creation.
2. Lord God (YHWH./Jesus) creating is ALWAYS a temporary creation.

The best example is that Lord God/Jesus made man of the dust, Gen 2:7 a temporary creation since when that man dies, he returns to dust and UNLESS that man is born again Spiritually by God (Trinity) he perishes. Only God the Trinity can "create" an Eternal being.

*** The Spirit of God is involved in that creation as Creator just as much.

Sure, God the Trinity commanded Lord God/Jesus to also create. A good example is that Jesus made mosquitoes and thanks to Him, they are a temporary creation, which eliminates them from Heaven. God didn't create them. Lord God did.

*** There are those of us who are vegetarian or vegan now, there are great reasons calling for such, that shouldn't be just dismissed, and the world will become that again. There isn't any need whatsoever to wait for that.

Some are vegetarians now, but when Jesus returns, ALL living creatures will become vegetarians as Gen 1:30 states. ONLY the Creator can change Lions and Bears into eaters of straw, instead of flesh. Isaiah 11:7 Jesus will fulfill the Prophecy of Gen 1:28 when He returns to save this world from destruction at the end of the present 6th Day/Age in the Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven.

Aman777 · Nov 8, 2016

mmksparbud said:
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Didn't you notice the time when man was "formed" of the dust which was BEFORE the plants, herbs and rain of the 3rd Day? Gen 2:4-6

*** Adam was created on day 6 from the dust of the ground and God breathed into him and he became a living soul on that day 6. Not before.

You skipped the details shown in Gen 2:4-7, which show that man (Heb-Adam) was made on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants herbs and trees.

Adam and Eve were "created" by God (Trinity) at the SAME time on the 6th Day. They were born again Spiritually then. Gen 1:27 and Gen 5:1-2

You have confused Adam's formation from the ground with his Spiritual Creation. This becomes clear when you realize that Eve was NOT made until the present 6th Day. Gen 2:22 Amen?

mmksparbud · Nov 8, 2016

Kenneth Redden said:
However; you are reading the wrong message in the KJV Bible. You are reading the message in the text, which was written for those of the third day of the creation. It is the letters of the text, which is the media for the revelation the apostle Paul has given us here in the fourth day of the creation. The mystery of the revelation can be found in the doublet of days, 2 Peter 3:3-8.

So what, exactly is the message to those of the 3rd day?
Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

And what is the message to those of the 4th day?

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

mmksparbud · Nov 8, 2016

Aman777 said:
Didn't you notice the time when man was "formed" of the dust which was BEFORE the plants, herbs and rain of the 3rd Day? Gen 2:4-6

*** Adam was created on day 6 from the dust of the ground and God breathed into him and he became a living soul on that day 6. Not before.

You skipped the details shown in Gen 2:4-7, which show that man (Heb-Adam) was made on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants herbs and trees.

Adam and Eve were "created" by God (Trinity) at the SAME time on the 6th Day. They were born again Spiritually then. Gen 1:27 and Gen 5:1-2

You have confused Adam's formation from the ground with his Spiritual Creation. This becomes clear when you realize that Eve was NOT made until the present 6th Day. Gen 2:22 Amen?

I suggest you read your bible to get what was done on each of the days right---0you never have figured it out. Gen 1 and 2 are the same account--but you never have figured that out either.

Aman777 · Nov 8, 2016

pat34lee said:
Not right. In fact, very wrong.
The heavens and earth and all creation
was perfect at the end of day 6, or 144
hours after creation began. At that point,
no other creation was necessary. Every
miracle through the ages was already set
and ready to happen.

I agree EXCEPT you are speaking of a future event which will not take place until the end of the present 6th day. If you don't believe me, then tell us WHEN in the past, these things happened.

1. Humankind is given dominion or rule over ALL creatures including Angels. Gen 1:28
2. All living creatures are changed into vegetarians. Gen 1:30 and Isa 11:7
3. God proclaims that everything is perfect or very good. Gen 1:31

*** Only after this earth is ready to fade will
it be destroyed and a new heaven and
earth will be created to replace ours. At
that time of re-creation, we will get our
new bodies, and there will no longer be
death or reason for tears. Until then,
same bodies, same covenant, same creation.

That is EXACTLY what the "Scoffers" of the last days would have us believe. Nothing has changed they say, from the beginning of creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed totally utterly.

Did you forget about the Flood?

Aman777 · Nov 8, 2016

Kenneth Redden said:
It does not say that in the Holy Bible? I say that the fourth day is the only day God made the stars; because it is not said of another day in Genesis one and because once the stars are made, there is no stopping them. Save; the second coming of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

The 4th Day had an evening (ending) and a morning (beginning).
Gen 1:19 The 5th Day also had an ending and a beginning. Gen 1:23

Both those Days/Ages are in the past. The Stars made on the 4th Day are gone and others have replaced them and this will continue until Jesus returns at the end of the present 6th Day and gives Humanity dominion over Angels, mosquitoes and Polar Bears as Gen 1:28-31 clearly states.

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