666

[Mike2000]

Revelation 13

18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.


I was wondering if anyone has any theories on what 666 may represent. Revelation 13 says: If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. I am not an expert, but just to make a wild guess, the only thing I can think of is that maybe it might be the antichrist's birthday, June 6, 2006 (06-06-06). I have been trying all day to try to think of what it can represent but this is the only thing I can think of. I am interested in hearing other peoples theories on what this may represent.

 

[Reformationist]

Revelation 13

18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.


I was wondering if anyone has any theories on what 666 may represent. Revelation 13 says: If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. I am not an expert, but just to make a wild guess, the only thing I can think of is that maybe it might be the antichrist's birthday, June 6, 2006 (06-06-06). I have been trying all day to try to think of what it can represent but this is the only thing I can think of. I am interested in hearing other peoples theories on what this may represent.

The number represents Nero. In Hebrew all the letters have a number assigned to their value. I believe how it worked at at this time was that the numbers, when translated, meant Kasar Nero (Ceasar Nero). I could be wrong about the spelling but, anyway, this was a coded reference to Nero, who was emperor at the time and one of the most heinous anti-Christian rulers in the history of mankind.

A lot of people have said that this is a reference to a lot of different people throughout history but doing so makes no sense. Why would John be telling anyone about Prince Charles or any of the other ridiculous assumptions people have made?

Hope that helps.

God bless

 

[brightlights]

so ref, you dont believe that the scripture points to an antichrist to come? or you do, and the numbers represent something else?

 

[In Christ Forever]

The number represents Nero. In Hebrew all the letters have a number assigned to their value. I believe how it worked at at this time was that the numbers, when translated, meant Kasar Nero (Ceasar Nero). I could be wrong about the spelling but, anyway, this was a coded reference to Nero, who was emperor at the time and one of the most heinous anti-Christian rulers in the history of mankind.

A lot of people have said that this is a reference to a lot of different people throughout history but doing so makes no sense. Why would John be telling anyone about Prince Charles or any of the other ridiculous assumptions people have made?

Hope that helps.

God bless

Any ancestors of Nero left? Revelation does appear to be a northern army attacking a southern army in some ways. Whoever the beast of the sea is, God is using the 10 kings to attack the Harlot [reve 17:17]

Nero Hears Of the Rebellion What would be the numbers for Titus Vespasian?

When Nero heard about the bitter defeat of the 12th Legion, he dispatched his most able commander, General Titus Flavius Vespasian, to put down the rebellion. Titus Vespasian was a very skilled military strategist and planned his attack starting with Galilee. He arrived with three legions and wiped out the Jewish forces in Galilee. It is interesting that the fortresses had been built by Josephus, who was captured by the Romans and later, as a prisoner, wrote the history of the remainder of the war.

Titus then marched his legions down the coast and then moved inward toward Jerusalem. By 68 A.D. Jerusalem was under siege. Nero had committed suicide on June 9th, 68 A.D. and Titus Vespasian was awaiting orders. At this time three emperors came to power and left the throne almost as quickly. Finally Titus Vespasian was named head of the realm. In 70 A.D. he sailed for Rome and left the final siege of Jerusalem in the hands of his son Titus. Titus arrived to the city border at the head of 80,000 soldiers, he brought so many because Jerusalem was a difficult city to capture and heavily fortified.

This might be pretty close to "King" Nero in some ways. Hope this helps.


Daniel 3:1 Nebuchadnezzar the king(of Babylon) made an image of gold(600?), whose height was threescore cubits(60), and the breadth there of 6 cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon. 4 Then the herald cried aloud, To you it is commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages, 5 that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet,.....6 and whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace 28 Nebuchadnezzar spake and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants (from the furnace) that trusted in Him, and have changed the king's word, and have yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.

 

[Dad Ernie]

Revelation 13

18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

I have been trying all day to try to think of what it can represent but this is the only thing I can think of.

What? You have only given thought to this for ONE DAY? The debate on what 666 means has been going on for centuries with literally hundreds or thousands of interpretations. Just type it in Google, and you will be surprised at the answers that you get. I have known a man who claims to be THE 666, but I suspect that he is dead now for that was several years ago and he was much older that I at the time.

I personally corrolate the 666 with the "tripartite character" of man, even as the "tripartite character" of God - which I believe to be represented by 777, SEVEN being the symbol or number of perfection or completeness or fulness. So we have man who is made up of spirit, soul and body, incomplete, imperfect and not fully realized UNTIL he is filled with God's Holy Spirit and the Word of God, and a "friend of Jesus".

The "forehead" is the euphemism used in Revelation for our "thinking process" or mind, or perhaps the center of consciousness, or perhaps "will". The "forehand" OF THE RIGHT hand, is symbolic of our WORKS, even the Works of God, as seen by Jesus sitting on HIS RIGHT HAND.

So you may want to investigate further by doing a Google search and then come to your own conclusion.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

 

[Reformationist]

so ref, you dont believe that the scripture points to an antichrist to come?

No. There are some things in the Book of Revelation that are phrophetical regarding future events but the number 666 is a direct reference to a leader the believers of that period would be familiar with, namely Nero. The Left Behind series interpretation of these events is intended by its authors as mainly fictional, though I know that Tim LaHaye does adhere to many of the unscriptural beliefs that are professed in those types of books.

or you do, and the numbers represent something else?

As I said, it would be nonsensical to apply the understanding of the number to anyone but Nero. I know that Catholics believe it is a reference to someone else but this is due primarily to a different belief of when the book was written. In their defense I can at least say that they too do not believe it to be a reference to anyone in future times.

God bless

 

[Reformationist]

I personally corrolate the 666 with the "tripartite character" of man, even as the "tripartite character" of God - which I believe to be represented by 777, SEVEN being the symbol or number of perfection or completeness or fulness. So we have man who is made up of spirit, soul and body, incomplete, imperfect and not fully realized UNTIL he is filled with God's Holy Spirit and the Word of God, and a "friend of Jesus".

Maybe I missed it but are you saying that the number 666, relating to the anti-Christ, simply relates to fallen man who at some point will be filled with the Holy Spirit and be a "friend of Jesus?"

Thanks,
God bless

 

[Dad Ernie]

Maybe I missed it but are you saying that the number 666, relating to the anti-Christ, simply relates to fallen man who at some point will be filled with the Holy Spirit and be a "friend of Jesus?"

Greetings Reformationist,

I am not sure of the question, but it appears you may have misinterpreted what I said.

Yes, it is "fallen man" that Jesus came to save. The "antichrist" is a "spirit" which will come upon all flesh in those days and a great number from within the very church itself. I believe it is the Laodician "church spirit" that will be predominant in those days of whom God says that He WILL spew out of His mouth. This is the "great apostacy" or "falling away" that is spoken of in Thessalonians. Today we are seeing the tip of the iceburg, so to speak, as you yourself should notice that many "no longer adhere to 'sound' doctrine".

Does that clarify it for you?

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

 

[andy153]

Dear friends,

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

I believe the above scripture to be a direct referral to the philistine Goliath.

with love and respect, andy153

 

[Terral]

Hi Mike:

Revelation 13:18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

Mike > I was wondering if anyone has any theories on what 666 may represent . . .

Many believe this calculation pertains to the numerology associated with Hebrew alphabet, and putting those numbers to the name of some individual. The real solution to this riddle is in the person who understands the relationship of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Us; Gen. 1:28) and how ‘man’ is created in Their Image. God teaches us things in types and antitypes; in the stories and in the relationships of individuals in those stories.



Abraham is a type of the Father, while his son Isaac is a type of Christ. Abraham was the father of Isaac, and God is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. As a matter of fact, Abraham’s name was Abram at first, then the Lord changed it, saying,

"As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, And you will be the father of a multitude of nations. No longer shall your name be called Abram, But your name shall be Abraham; For I have made you the father of a multitude of nations.” Gen. 17:4+5.

Abraham means “Exalted Father.” Both Isaac’s and Christ’s births were announced beforehand Gen. 18:10, Luke 1:30+31. Both names were chosen before their birth Gen. 17:19, Luke 1:31. Both called ‘only’ sons. Gen. 22:2, John 3:16. Both Isaac and Christ were innocent, but offered as a sacrifice by their fathers. Gen. 22:2, Matt. 27:24. Both carried wood to their sacrifices. Gen. 22:6, John 19:17. And both Isaac and Christ arose from their sacrifices. Gen. 22:13, Matt. 28:6.



We can learn about the key figures in Scripture by examining the things that pertain their relationships. Draw two large circles on a blank sheet of paper; one towards the left side, and one towards the right side; place so they overlap to create three equal parts. Scripture says,

“For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are into the one.” 1John 5:7+8.

In the left semicircle, write the word Spirit/Father. In the right semicircle, write the word Water/Holy Spirit. Inside the central section, write the word Blood/Christ. This represents Three Witnesses of the Almighty God who dwells beyond this realm of time and space. His little finger cannot fit inside of this fishbowl we know as creation. David says,

"But will God indeed dwell with mankind on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You; how much less this house which I have built.” 2Cor. 6:18.

Everything that will ever happen inside this creation was seen by Him in an instant; like creation took His picture. Therefore, if you could look beyond this realm, then you would see His frozen stare. It is only through His infinite power and divine nature that He dwells inside His Three Witnesses (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). God’s Three Witnesses represent the ‘Us’ and “Our” in this verse:

“Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness . . .” Gen. 1:26.

In your diagram, in the left hand section write spirit, and in the right hand section write body; in the central (begotten) part, write the word soul. All men are made in the image of our Triune God. Turn the paper 90 degrees, so that the spirit part is on top. Now you are seeing the image of God and the image of ‘a man.’ Plug in the names Satan (spirit), false prophet (water) and beast (blood). That is your unholy ‘man’ of Revelation 13.



The Apostle Paul details the information about God’s Hidden Wisdom (1Cor. 2:6-8), the Mystery of Christ (Eph. 3:4) and how the members of the ‘body of Christ,’ are baptized (1Cor. 12:13) into His Body. Paul says that we are members of the body of Christ. (Rom. 12:4+5, 1Cor. 12:12-14, 27, Eph. 4:12, 5:30, Col. 1:24-27 (24).

“Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ's afflictions. Of {this church} I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God bestowed on me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the {preaching of} the word of God, {that is,} the mystery which has been hidden from the {past} ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints, to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.” Colossians 1:24-27.

One aspect of this mystery is that the church is His Body on earth, and He dwells inside of each member. That is the lesson of the unholy man also, that the ‘beast’ (Christ’s anti-part of darkness) is also a body under construction; right now as we speak! However, Paul does not lay out all of the details like for the ‘body of Christ.’ We must gather that from reading about the relationships. The opposite of the ‘mystery of Christ’ is the ‘mystery of Lawlessness/Iniquity.”

“For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains {will do so} until he is taken out of the way. Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; {that is,} the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. For this reason God sends upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.” 2Thes. 2:7-12.

People today are looking for a human being to come as the ‘antichrist,’ when in actuality that body is being formed right along side the ‘body of Christ.’ Those who have believed false gospels are under the power of the ‘deluding influence,’ and are part of the ‘mystery of lawlessness.’ The Kingdom Administration began back when John the Baptist came preaching the Kingdom to Israel. That is why Christ said this,

"For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to accept {it,} John himself is Elijah who was to come.” Matt. 11:13+14.

He was the topic of the last two verses of the OT.

"Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. "He will restore the hearts of the fathers to {their} children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse." Malachi 4:5+6.

Christ says that John the Baptist is Elijah (Matt. 11:14). Elijah, Christ and Moses are seen together by the three witnesses of Christ; Peter, John and James. Here is what happens,

“Six days later Jesus *took with Him Peter and James and John his brother, and *led them up on a high mountain by themselves. And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light. And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.” Matt. 17:1-3.

The mountain is a type of New Jerusalem; of things to come. Peter asked the Lord about making ‘three tabernacles.’ Then the cloud came and spoke, and when the dust cleared Peter, John and James saw only Christ. Look back at our diagram and understand that the central part shall enlarge to engulf the other two parts. Christ has members in His body (1Cor. 12:27), and Moses has members in his body. As it is written,

“For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; and all ate the same spiritual food; and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ. 1Cor. 10:1-4.

Do you see all of those signs of water associated with Moses? Look how Moses received his name:

“The child grew, and she brought him to Pharaoh's daughter and he became her son. And she named him Moses, and said, "Because I drew him out of the water." Exodus 2:10.

This guy has more water on him than Mark Spitz in Scripture. His name goes in the Water part of your diagram. And Elijah's name goes in the spirit part.

"It is he who will go {as a forerunner} before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, . . ." Luke 1:17.

Put Christ’s name in the central blood part. That is the heavenly ‘man’ that is coming into power on this ‘seventh day.’ Your 666 man represents the evil ‘world forces of this darkness’ (Eph. 6:12) that are in power now as we speak . They are the ‘sixth day’ “rulers of this age” of 1Cor. 2:8. They are all the members who are baptized into the bodies of Satan, the beast (antichrist) and the false prophet gathered since Genesis 1:2.

Christ incarnated on the earth at the beginning of this Kingdom Dispensation. Israel rejected her King, and Kingdom was placed on the back burner (Acts 28:28). God is now building the members of the body of Christ. The Antichrist will incarnate at the end of the Kingdom Dispensation, as a real live person. So, there shall be a showdown between the heavenly man (Elijah/Christ/Moses) and the unholy man (Satan/Antichrist/FalseProphet). And the Book of Revelations tells us who wins (Rev. 19:20, 20:10-15).


God bless,



Terral

 

[InnerPhyre]

Reformationist is right. Definitely Nero.

 

[MadeInOz]

An interpretation which I heard, and kind of can go along with is that the evil trinity at the end of time:

The anti-christ
the false prophet
the beast (I think.. I can't remember... sorry... this is me just waking up)

are trying to emulate the holy trinity. Since God's number is 7, it would make sense that the trinity is 777... if you look at the actions of the antichrist towards the end, he wants to force everyone to follow him, and he acts like God.. but he is not God.

ya see?

 

[Colossians]

"666" cannot be "calculated", anymore that "4" can be calculated. It is what it is: a number.
That we are advised it needs to be "calculated", is simply mathematical metaphor for "spiritually discern".
It then tells us the answer to the 'calculation': it is the number of man.
So that is what it is: the number of man, meaning, the "number which represents man".



Why is it then that discernment is needed, when the answer to the 'calculation' is given in the verse itself?
For the same reason that discernment is needed for any part of scripture, no matter how apparently simple: only the spiritual mind can see God's kingdom in the written word: the written word on its own is useless.



Why does the verse use a number at all? Why not just say what is meant?
Because the book is one which is purposely written in symbols, to distract the world from finding out the truth. Only the elect will understand.



Why is the number "6" used?
Because it directly relates to man's activity, being typed in the working week of the OT Jew, and delimited by the OT Sabbath.



Why 3 sixes?
Because this 'cubes' the issue, and speaks of perfection: a perfect 'sixness', a perfect 'manness' - the pure concentration of that which opposes God with every breath.



When will this number come into use?
It has been here as long as that which it represents (man) has been here. Man has never been God, and consequently has always had this number.



Will it ever 'peak' in one man?
The 'man' who exults himself above all, is a generic 'man', or 'manness'. It simply means that 'manness' is that which of its very nature, exults in opposition to God. This is why we had to be crucified with Christ, in order to be saved.

 

[johnd]

Apparently few here have encountered those who hold to the Preterist doctrine (which has shang haied the name Reform / Reformation). And by your posts, Reformationist, I gather you are Partial in your Preterism.

Care to elaborate for the rest of the posters where you are coming from?

 

[johnd]

Meanwhile, I will interpret 666 by what the Bible says.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

This warning is echoed in two other places in the Bible:

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

and

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

These are strategically placed in the three major divisions of the Bible (the Law, the Prophets, and the Writings). To interpret God's word one must use God's word... otherwise they will be guilty of all of the above.

Not to worry,

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Do a 666 check in your Bible search engine and you will find only 4 references.

Revelation 13:18
2 Chronicles 9:13
1 Kings 10:14
Ezra 2:13

 

[johnd]

Let's begin with the most familiar:

Revelation 13:18

Here is wisdom.​

Let him that hath understanding​

count the number​

of the beast:​

for it is the number of a man;​

and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.​

Interesting how the next two verse point to the wisest man ever to live who has more understanding than any man:

1 Kings 10:14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold,

2 Chronicles 9:13 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred and threescore and six talents of gold;

...Here is wisdom.... Let him that hath understanding... the number of a man

To count the number we must remember what Solomon was most noted for doing; building the First Jewish Temple. Interesting that this was done as a misinterpretation of scripture / divine revelation (2 Samuel 7:12-13 verify by Zechariah 6:12-13 which heir of David God actually meant). And by the way, I have debated this with Orthodox Jewish Rabbis who conceeded Solomon was not commissioned by God to build the First Temple. But we all agreed that once Israel went down that path, God dealt with her on that basis (akin to the way Israel cried for a king in 1 Samuel 8:1-7 and 1 Samuel 12:12).

The account of the building of the temple and the date of its building and its destruction are a matter of biblical record. Also the record of the second temple's construction is found in the Bible as well as the prophecy of it's destruction. The date on the Hebrew calendar of the destruction of both Temples was the 9th of the month of Av (Tisha b'Av) precisely 666 years apart to the day.

The number has been counted.

And the number itself 666 is the four verses of which I posted containing 666.

The book of Revelation was written post 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem, so Revelation 13:18 was not fulfilled by that destruction. It was merely a part of the puzzle of biblical identifiers of the Beast.

 

[johnd]

The Orthodox Jews (especially those in Eretz Israel) are looking for the Messiah.

The Messiah has come. And to their eternal detriment, they reject him to this very hour. So they inadvertently have made themselves vulnerable to the one who would come with lying signs and wonders that would fool the very elect if that were possible. Nero Caesar never did this.



No, this one will have a charismatic appeal and miraculous signs to back up his claims, only he will go against the will of God.



Jesus said:



John 5:43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.



He will promise “peace peace” where there is no peace. Peace is what the Jews in Israel have desperately wanted for generations. Interesting that the name Solomon is derived from the word Peace / Shalom.



This man will have enough something to make even the most dyed in the wool skeptic / atheist believe him.



Ah, but with the Jews, there’s the teaching that the Messiah will build God’s temple. And they are looking for one who will build the third temple. Anything less will not convince them. And Matthew 24:24 indicates that only the elect (Christians) will not be fooled by this guy.

 

[johnd]

Ezra 2:13 The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.

Notice by the next census there is an addition:

Nehemiah 7:18 The children of Adonikam, six hundred threescore and seven.

This is no doubt to get us to take the prophetic clue for what it is and move on. The other three references to 666 center on Solomon and therefore requires our greater study of aspects about his life. This one mentions a name in passing. So let's not harp on what tribe the beast will come from and things like that. Let's look at the verse.

There's nothing to investigate but the name Adonikam (adonai qum = risen lord).

At first blush we see a prophecy about the resurrection of Jesus. And for all practical purposes all who possessed that name were (wittingly or not) prophecying the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. But remember this is a series of prophet clues about 666. The Beast who will also rise as a dark lord:

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

 

[Terral]

Reformationist is right. Definitely Nero.

Hi InnerPhyre:

You wrote >> Reformationist is right. Definitely Nero.

Do you really believe the 666 man of Revelation 13 is Nero? Does he get resurrected at the end of the Kingdom period, and cause everyone to head for the hills from Judea? Mark 13:14? How does that work?



In Christ,



Terral

 

[johnd]

This is where I tend to lose readers.

First of all, something about the way the beast's mortal head wound was healed is what convinces the whole world to wonder after him.

What if someone made the claim they were an historic figure raised from the dead? And what if through some means (DNA, whatever) they could prove it?

That would have the effect of every man woman and child on earth (except for Christians) to stand up and take notice of him... and to believe what he says.

Suppose such a one would deny the New Covenant and confirm the Old?

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Many scholars through the millennia have speculated this was to be a peace treaty. The passage does not mention peace or treaty.

Suppose such a one would denounce Christianity as a fraud and Judaism (the variety that rejects Jesus) is the true faith?

Suppose that one claims to have been an eye witness to the events of 2000 years ago? And says history was rewritten from what really happened.

Suppose this one were the only man in all scripture listed as the one whom Satan personally entered? And suppose he could prove it...

Luke 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

John 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. 27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.