666

[Sabertooth]

That last post did not make any sense to me...

 

[Strong in Him]

Eve had twins. Two different fathers. Able is prodigy of Adam. Cain is seed of satan.

No, she didn't.
Read Genesis 4:1 - Adam made love to his wife and she gave birth to Cain.

 

[Sabertooth]

The kenites are offspring of Cain. These are satan's children.

If Cain's line did not make it onto the Ark through

• Noah,
• his wife or
• his daughters-in-law,

it did not continue past the Flood.
If any of them were his descendants, his line is a part of us all.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

The 666 is the number of the beast's name. So while there will be a combination of numbers that total 666, it can be only one combination of numbers - specific to the beast's name.

So, if a person suspects someone to be the beast - one way to check the possibility is to add the letter-number equivalents of the person's name to see if it adds to 666. One place to do that is Gematria Calculator . This is assuming the letter-number approach. It may be something else, like the person's seat in a parliment (as some have speculated).

What will be displayed, however, when the law is enacted, on the forehead or hand will likey be the total , the singular displayed number of - 666. Time will tell the closer that day becomes.

We should pray that God gives us the wisdom to figure out the 666 number of the beast's name.

The wisdom is in the bible. Please, forget about all those crazy conspiracies, find the one and only connection to this number:

1 Kings 10:14 The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents,
2 Chronicles 9:13 The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents

If you dismiss this as pure coincidence, think again. The number 666 combined with wisdom point to no one else but king Solomon, the heir of David. The author of several books in the bible, he built the temple for God, and he also went apostasy by multiplying horses and chariots, wives, and wealth, those were specifically prohibited for a king of Israel in Deuteronomy 17. His heart turned to all of these worldly pursuits and away from God. That's the model and the spirit for the Antichrist. 6 is the number of man, the number 666 itself symbolizes the highest achievement of man, all the power, wealth and pleasure you can have, and yet still fall short of perfection.

 

[Douggg]

The wisdom is in the bible. Please, forget about all those crazy conspiracies, find the one and only connection to this number:

1 Kings 10:14 The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents,
2 Chronicles 9:13 The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents

If you dismiss this as pure coincidence, think again. The number 666 combined with wisdom point to no one else but king Solomon, the heir of David. The author of several books in the bible, he built the temple for God, and he also went apostasy by multiplying horses and chariots, wives, and wealth, those were specifically prohibited for a king of Israel in Deuteronomy 17. His heart turned to all of these worldly pursuits and away from God. That's the model and the spirit for the Antichrist. 6 is the number of man, the number 666 itself symbolizes the highest achievement of man, all the power, wealth and pleasure you can have, and yet still fall short of perfection.

Welcome to the forum, Jonathan,

Well, 666 is a unique number in the bible. But one of the things that Solomon did not do in his excesses was to claim that he had achieved God-hood.

So, I understand the thing about the funding of Solomon's excesses, but how does a person determine the name of the Antichrist (actually the beast-king) based on the funding 666 talents. of gold.

Here maybe one factor to consider, in Revelation 13, is the false prophet has the people of the world make the statue image of the beast-king. Now if we look back to Exodus and the golden calf incident, the children of Israel donated their personal gold items to the endeavor to have those melted down.

So it could be that to make the statue image of the beast-king, it may be by contribution from the people of the world of their personal gold items - to likewise be melted down in forming of the statue image of the beast-king. The contributions required may be set as 666 talents by the false prophet. The hype maybe .... "666 lbs of gold for (fill in the blank) " .

I am not so certain that is likely though, because the text in Revelation 13 says to count the number of the beast (king) for it is the number of a man. So it seems more likely that the letters of his name, the numerical value of each, when added up equals "666".

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The number of Solomon's name was not 666 was it ? 666 talents of gold does not give us a name, does it ?

The 666 number of his name, his name, and the mark of his name - are three identifiers specific to the beast-king. What I think we need to focus on is the end results - what is the name of the person.

I would encourage all of us to keep thinking about it and pray for wisdom from the Lord to figure it out.

 

[daq]

The wisdom is in the bible. Please, forget about all those crazy conspiracies, find the one and only connection to this number:

1 Kings 10:14 The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents,
2 Chronicles 9:13 The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents

If you dismiss this as pure coincidence, think again. The number 666 combined with wisdom point to no one else but king Solomon, the heir of David. The author of several books in the bible, he built the temple for God, and he also went apostasy by multiplying horses and chariots, wives, and wealth, those were specifically prohibited for a king of Israel in Deuteronomy 17. His heart turned to all of these worldly pursuits and away from God. That's the model and the spirit for the Antichrist. 6 is the number of man, the number 666 itself symbolizes the highest achievement of man, all the power, wealth and pleasure you can have, and yet still fall short of perfection.

It is found in the temple also, as king David paid six hundred shekels of gold for the threshing floor of Ornan, (1 Chr 21:25). The narrow and tall gates of the Ezekiel temple are sixty cubits high, and the walls roundabout are six cubits thick, (one rod by one rod), while the perimeter of the wall is five hundred cubits on a side. However, with the commons roundabout, just outside of the wall, (which is an open space of fifty cubits width roundabout), the whole plot of ground is six hundred cubits square, that is, six hundred cubits on a side. The plot of ground which king David purchased from Ornan for six hundred shekels of gold represents the same.

Indeed, (as you have essentially already said), six hundred, sixty, and six, is the number of man: for the temple represents the body temple of a man, any and all men, because all of mankind is created to become the temple of Elohim: but without Elohim, the temple of man merely contains the spirit of man and spirit of the world.

 

[Sabertooth]

So it seems more likely that the letters of his name, the numerical value of each, when added up equals "666".

Except his name and the "number of his name" are two distinct forms of the mark.
That means that when his name is fully spelled out, it will not contain that numerical quality.

 

[Douggg]

That means that when his name is fully spelled out, it will not contain that numerical quality.

I don't understand what you mean. Do you mean his first, middle, and last name are fully spelled out ? And that the 666 value may only apply to his first name or maybe his last name?

Except his name and the "number of his name" are two distinct forms of the mark.

I don't understand what you mean ?

In reviewing Revelation 19:20 and Revelation 20:4, only the mark of the beast is in those text - not his name, nor the number of his name.
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It should also be noted it is the false prophet who requires the mark of the beast. Revelation 13:16.

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Whether it is or is not relevant, on the seven heads is the name of blasphemy. Revelation 13:1.

 

[Sabertooth]

I don't understand what you mean. Do you mean his first, middle, and last name are fully spelled out ? And that the 666 value may only apply to his first name or maybe his last name?

I don't understand what you mean ?

As you have pointed out in your own posts, when the mark is finally issued, it will exist in two or three forms,*

1. his name (spelled out),
2. the number of his name** or
3. possibly, a logo.

While the meaning of #2 is unclear, #1 & 3 will be stupidly obvious.
#2 will have a hidden numerical value. #1 will not.

*Depending on the correct punctuation of Rev. 13:17.
**That phrase is unclear, but my pet theory would be his initials.

 

[AlexB23]

As you have pointed out in your own posts, when the mark is finally issued, it will exist in two or three forms,*

1. his name (spelled out),
2. the number of his name** or
3. possibly, a logo.

While the meaning of #2 is unclear, #1 & 3 will be stupidly obvious.
#2 will have a hidden numerical value. #1 will not.

*Depending on the correct punctuation of Rev. 13:17.
**That phrase is unclear, but my pet theory would be his initials.

This question could be shown with both a hypothetical example (I.), and the reality (II.)

I. 100% hypothetical: Could this mark hypothetically be a financial institution, which has not yet been established, or has been established sometime between Jesus' resurrection and now, probably closer to nowadays? For instance, for a person with a credit score too low, it is hard for said person to buy a house or a car. Hypothetically, if the credit score then applied to every purchase, then it would be hard to buy anything, including a pack of gum if there is a cutoff barring anyone to buy items with a score of say, < 400.

II. Actual Reality: But in all reality, no one will actually know what the mark will be until that day has arrived, so we shouldn't try and focus our worries on the future. Most likely, it will not be any institution or person in existence/alive today. Just focus on the present now, and trust in God, as God himself said in Matthew 6:34 “Do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”

 

[Sabertooth]

This question could be shown with both a hypothetical example (I.), and the reality (II.)

I elaborate on my previous post at...

Observations About The Mark Of The Beast...

Subtle details about the Mark of the Beast, as found in Rev.13:16-18

www.christianforums.com

Even if we do not spot the 600 + 60 + 6 right away, requiring a physical mark on one's right hand or forehead in order to engage in business will be a no-brainer.

 

[AlexB23]

I elaborate on my previous post at...

Observations About The Mark Of The Beast...

Subtle details about the Mark of the Beast, as found in Rev.13:16-18

www.christianforums.com

Even if we do not spot the 600 + 60 + 6 right away, requiring a physical mark on one's right hand or forehead in order to engage in business will be a no-brainer.

Agreed. So, the mark could potentially be a barcode or a new technology that hasn't been developed. Maybe a digital tattoo to track movements, or something we have never thought of yet.

 

[Sabertooth]

(We should probably also be wary of 999...

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[Sabertooth]

Agreed. So, the mark could potentially be a barcode or a new technology that hasn't been developed. Maybe a digital tattoo to track movements, or something we have never thought of yet.

As a retired systems analyst/programmer, those are not likely. (Each person in such a system would require a unique ID that corresponds to a database.)
The mark in all three of its forms will be an unambiguous pledge of devotion to a particular individual.

 

[AlexB23]

As a retired systems analyst/programmer, those are not likely. (Each person in such a system would require a unique ID that corresponds to a database.)
The mark in all three of its forms will be an unambiguous pledge of devotion to a particular individual.

Potentially, but the database could be distributed over multiple computers, not just confined to one data center. I think the mark will be in a database, where you can't buy or sell without it. But potentially, it could be just a generic symbol on the hand that one must wave over a scanner before a purchase (that doesn't associate the user by name), and anyone without a symbol on the hand isn't allowed to buy, say food. But someone is bound to spoof the signal without a mark, or just plain walk away with the food without paying. So, what would the ethics be if we unmarked folks will no longer be allowed to purchase food or essential items as Christians, and only those with a mark had permission to buy food? Should we just let a marked person buy us unmarked folks our food, and trade him/her our valuables? Or should we just take food from the store shelves in this hypothetical future where we can't buy food without a mark?

 

[Douggg]

As you have pointed out in your own posts, when the mark is finally issued, it will exist in two or three forms,*

1. his name (spelled out),
2. the number of his name** or
3. possibly, a logo.

While the meaning of #2 is unclear, #1 & 3 will be stupidly obvious.
#2 will have a hidden numerical value. #1 will not.

Thanks for clarifying.

**That phrase is unclear, but my pet theory would be his initials.

It may be.

 

[Douggg]

Potentially, but the database could be distributed over multiple computers, not just confined to one data center. I think the mark will be in a database, where you can't buy or sell without it. But potentially, it could be just a generic symbol on the hand that one must wave over a scanner before a purchase (that doesn't associate the user by name), and anyone without a symbol on the hand isn't allowed to buy, say food. But someone is bound to spoof the signal without a mark, or just plain walk away with the food without paying. So, what would the ethics be if we unmarked folks will no longer be allowed to purchase food or essential items as Christians, and only those with a mark had permission to buy food? Should we just let a marked person buy us unmarked folks our food, and trade him/her our valuables? Or should we just take food from the store shelves in this hypothetical future where we can't buy food without a mark?

Well, I think the best and first option is to be looking for the rapture to avoid going through that time.

I think it is hard for us as Christians to envision that the unsaved world will have a worship-like adoration of the person -which they say "who can make war against the beast (king)?" . So for them, taking the mark would be part of their devotion to the person.

Persons, who missed the rapture, but who become Christians in those days, will be painted as the bad guys. So the system will be operated at all levels by the deceived persons devoted to the beast-king.

It may be that Christians in those days try to survive by an underground economy for their own.

 

[AlexB23]

Well, I think the best and first option is to be looking for the rapture to avoid going through that time.

I think it is hard for us as Christians to envision that the unsaved world will have a worship-like adoration of the person -which they say "who can make war against the beast (king)?" . So for them, taking the mark would be part of their devotion to the person.

Persons, who missed the rapture, but who become Christians in those days, will be painted as the bad guys. So the system will be operated at all levels by the deceived persons devoted to the beast-king.

It may be that Christians in those days try to survive by an underground economy for their own.

Well, it would be impossible to look for the rapture, as we Christians who have Jesus in our hearts would be teleported or something into heaven. But for the people who convert after the rapture, I hope they do well. However, I have not enough knowledge if the rapture is pre, mid, or post. So, for myself, I just trust in God, and don't worry about the end times. Just as long as I try my best to take care of other people, and the earth in a Christian manner, one such as myself could hope to make the world a just a slightly bit better place for the next generation until whatever happens, happens.

 

[Sabertooth]

So, what would the ethics be if we unmarked folks will no longer be allowed to purchase food or essential items as Christians, and only those with a mark had permission to buy food?

God could sustain His people miraculously like with manna or being fed by ravens.
Or He may have His people develop a "white" market where we all grow our own food & barter.

"Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego answered and said to the king,

'O Nebuchadnezzar, we have no need to answer you in this matter.​

If that is the case, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace,

and He will deliver us from your hand, O king.​

But if not, let it be known to you, O king,

that we do not serve your gods,​

nor will we worship the gold image which you have set up.' ” Daniel 3:16-18 NKJV​

 

[AlexB23]

God could sustain His people miraculously like with manna or being fed by ravens.
Or He may have His people develop a "white" market where we all grow our own food & barter.

"Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego answered and said to the king,

'O Nebuchadnezzar, we have no need to answer you in this matter.​

If that is the case, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace,

and He will deliver us from your hand, O king.​

But if not, let it be known to you, O king,

that we do not serve your gods,​

nor will we worship the gold image which you have set up.' ” Daniel 3:16-18 NKJV​

Yeah, in theory, but what if the end of the world is a test which we must pass? We might not have the help of miracles and food from the sky, and we will have to find ethical means of sourcing our food (eg. growing our own) instead of taking from the store shelves or being lazy and choosing the really bad route by using the mark.

This is why it is best not to focus on the world's end, cos everybody has differing interpretations of the end. Let's focus on 8/16/2023 or whatever day it is in our respective timezones instead of the end. Every day is a new beginning to honor God and bring peace to our world as it stands today.