666

[Douggg]

Of course, getting someone's name fully spelled out on right hand or forehead will be a no-brainer...!

For sure !

 

[Douggg]

A person without spiritual wisdom would be able to see that. Verse 18 says that will not be the case.

Maybe the intent of Revelation 13:18 is to identify who the person is before he becomes the beast.

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

[Sabertooth]

The pertinent question is,
"Who is the 'him that hath understanding' that is being addressed?"
To me, that would have to be a discerning Christian rather than an unbeliever who is granted no such discernment.

Jesus said,
"I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, that unless a person is born again (anew, from above),
he cannot ever see (know, be acquainted with, and experience) the kingdom of God." John 3:3 Amplified

 

[Douggg]

The pertinent question is,
"Who is the 'him that hath understanding' that is being addressed?"
To me, that would have to be a discerning Christian rather than an unbeliever who is not granted such discernment.

I agree with the principle. But would unbelievers even be seeking to determine the 666 number of the beast's name, at this point in time ? I think not.

But I think unbelievers are aware of the number. The 666 number, for example, has been discussed over at the messiah truth, Judaism, counter-missionary site.

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Side note - Jose Miranda, false Christ, had his followers take 666 as he twisted it to be a good thing.

 

[daq]

It appears that the "number" form will be as distinct from the "logo" form as it is from his name spelled out. And that unbelievers will not recognize the number form as a number; only s/he who has understanding (from the Holy Spirit [John 14:26]).

The woman of Revelation 17 has the number, (but not the name), written in her forehead.

Revelation 17:5 (HEB)
ועל מצחה כתוב שם סוד בבל הגדולה אם הזנות ותועבות האדמה׃​

The portion in red says, "SOD BABEL THE GREAT MOTHER OF HARLOTS".

 

[Sabertooth]

The woman of Revelation 17 has the number, (but not the name), written in her forehead.

Revelation 17:5 (HEB)
ועל מצחה כתוב שם סוד בבל הגדולה אם הזנות ותועבות האדמה׃​

The portion in red says, "SOD BABEL THE GREAT MOTHER OF HARLOTS".

I see no number in that Scripture.

 

[Douggg]

The woman of Revelation 17 has the number, (but not the name), written in her forehead.

Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

There is no number written in her forehead.

 

[Sabertooth]

But would unbelievers even be seeking to determine the 666 number of the beast's name, at this point in time ? I think not.

I think that it will be so obscure that Therians* will mock and say "there is no 666 here...!"
(And for those who sport his name or his logo, there will be no number involved.)

*A Greek coinage meaning "followers of the Beast."

 

[Sabertooth]

We have used initials for popular American presidents before (like JFK).
It is no big leap to suppose that a compelling world leader might be referred to by his initials

which could easily conceal a numerical value.​

And it would be consistent with his full name & logo.

 

[daq]

Alrighty then ....... lol.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Numbers (0-9) 10 symbols
Alphabet (A-Z) 26 symbols

Total 36 symbols

Add all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666.

The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

(Alphabet & number speak to men)

The Greek name “Nero Caesar” put into Hebrew letters is NRON QSRN, which adds up to six hundred and sixty-six.
Blessings

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

The Greek name “Nero Caesar” put into Hebrew letters is NRON QSRN, which adds up to six hundred and sixty-six.
Blessings

Wow! 600+60+6=666.

 

[Zao is life]

Sin is personified, and evil is personified, just as "the natural man", (which I already also mentioned), is personified. The passage you reference need not be plural, as you suggest, if it is speaking of the natural man or the nature of the natural man. The "old man" nature is singular, not plural, and speaks to the condition of all mankind before entering into the faith. Why singular? Because all mankind, before entering into the faith, sooner or later acquires "the spirit of the world" along life's way, (life outside Meshiah).

The spirit of the world is spoken of as one spirit, (1 Cor 2:10-12), but spoken of also in terms of many antichrists, who went out from among the faithful because they were "not of us". This is no doubt likewise the prince of the power of the air, spoken of by Paul in Eph 2:1-3, judging by the context surrounding that phrase, the same spirit of the world which is the spirit that now works in the sons of disobedience: among whom also we all had our conversation in times past, in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

The mark of his name in Rev 14:11 is no different than what is said in chapter thirteen: his name may indeed be speaking of the natural man personification which applies to all mankind. The natural mind of the natural man cannot please Elohim because it is enmity against Elohim, (Rom 8:5-8), and is therefore surely "antichrist".

Is Revelation 17:11 speaking of a king, or kings? A man, or man?
Is 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 speaking of a man called the son of perdition, or "man" destined for perdition?

Just want to know what you think about the above verses.

Also, does Revelation 17:11 have any bearing on whether or not the beast of Revelation 13 is a man, or man?

 

[Zao is life]

Numbers (0-9) 10 symbols
Alphabet (A-Z) 26 symbols

Total 36 symbols

Add all the numbers from 1 to 36 you get 666.

The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

(Alphabet & number speak to men)

I don't try to work it out. I used to, when I hadn't been a believer for very long. But now I know that man has no wisdom that belongs to himself, because the wisdom of God is of God.

And all Israel heard of the judgment which the king had judged. And they feared the king, for they saw that the wisdom of God was in him to do judgment. 1 Kings 3:28

But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and with no reproach, and it shall be given to him.

It will come to the one to whom it comes, when God gives it, if it's asked for, and the calculation will come without it needing to be calculated by the mind of the flesh. That one = all those to whom it has been given (if any), or to whom it will be given.

I'm not among them. Yet. I pray that I will be.

Faith in Jesus and faith in HIS name is the key. It must be. What's HIS (Jesus') mark? I believe the seal of God, the Holy Spirit, is His mark.

Something tells me it's hidden in scripture: The "locusts" are not able to harm those who have the seal of God on their foreheads. The rest will be tormented for "five months", and though they seek death, death will flee from them (Revelation 9:4-6).

Those who have the mark of the beast will be tormented (Revelation 16:2).

- but I'm not going to allow myself to go any further than that, because I know that if God wanted to reveal it to me by now (what the mark of the beast is, or the number of his name is), then I would already know.

 

[Zao is life]

Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

There is no number written in her forehead.

Well spotted Dougg. @Douggg Unless it's the number of the name. I don't speak or read Hebrew, so I don't know.

 

[Zao is life]

Revelation 13
18 This calls for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the beast's number, for it is man's number, and his number is 666.

James 1
5 But if anyone is deficient in wisdom, he should ask God, who gives to all generously and without reprimand, and it will be given to him.
6 But he must ask in faith without doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed around by the wind.
7 For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord,
8 since he is a double-minded individual, unstable in all his ways.

So if we don't know what the mark of the beast is, or the number of his name is, then we need to ask.

Matthew 7
7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened for you.
8 For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

I don't believe God wants this to be a one-man show. The saints need to get together and pray.

Maybe it's time.

Maybe the intent of Revelation 13:18 is to identify who the person is before he becomes the beast.

PS: I didn't say it IS time. I said maybe it's time.

 

[RandyPNW]

As I insinuated earlier I think 666 represents the fact Antichrist will emerge out of Europe, the original Roman tradition. The Greek word "Lateinos" apparently adds up to these values. John was obviously aware of this kind of use of numerical values and wanted to hide from the Romans his attribution to them the origins of the Antichrist.

None of this is originating from me. I copied these ideas off the net. The use of Gematria was apparently in use, though John was using it to hide info from his enemies, as opposed to deriving hidden spiritual truths.

It seems to have been a very important thing to John to point out the Roman foundation of this Antichrist system, and there are a number of clues given to this effect. Daniel 2 and 7 indicated that the final world power in his visions was a 4th Kingdom, which many believe was Rome.

Rome obviously was very significant in the history of Christianity and in John's day, because it was under them that Christ was crucified and the Church was born. And I believe it started the Christian history of Europe following the Christianization of the Roman Empire.

As we watch Christian Europe paganize and return to the early pagan roots of Rome we see that we are getting closer to the rise of Antichrist. The lesson there is simple--watch out European Civilization. Christianity can fall just as Israel fell.

 

[Zao is life]

I agree with the principle. But would unbelievers even be seeking to determine the 666 number of the beast's name, at this point in time ? I think not.

But I think unbelievers are aware of the number. The 666 number, for example, has been discussed over at the messiah truth, Judaism, counter-missionary site.

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Side note - Jose Miranda, false Christ, had his followers take 666 as he twisted it to be a good thing.

Unbelievers and believers alike will definitely know what the mark of the beast and the number of his name is.

How do we know?

We know this because all have to know it in order to be warned that if they receive it, they will receive the full wrath of God:

Revelation 14
9 And a third angel followed them, saying with a great voice, If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark in his forehead or in his hand,
10 he also will drink of the wine of the anger of God, having been mixed undiluted in the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented by fire and brimstone before the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. And they have no rest day or night, those who worship the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints. Here are the ones who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

So unbelievers and believers alike will all know what his mark and number is. Else there will be no real choice to make. We will also know who/what the beast is.

It will also not occur before the ten kings have appeared on the scene and given their power & authority to the beast.

How do we know?

We know because the ten kings will be the kings who destroy Babylon the Great:

Revelation 14:
8 And another angel followed, saying, The great city, Babylon, has fallen, has fallen; because of the wine of the anger of her fornication; she has made all nations to drink.

So everyone will know what the mark of the beast and number of his name is, as well as who/what the beast is.

I also believe Revelation 17:11 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 + Antiochus IV being a type of both the beast and the man of sin, points to the beast being a man. But I don't hold onto that belief as though it's "gospel", due to a lack of more evidence than just the above.

 

[daq]

Is Revelation 17:11 speaking of a king, or kings? A man, or man?

My initial response would be the same as posted in the following response to someone else:
Breaking the Beast - Reply#4

Is 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 speaking of a man called the son of perdition, or "man" destined for perdition?

That one fits the profiles of both the prince of Tyre and Yhudah Yissakari.
What could that possibly mean?

Also, does Revelation 17:11 have any bearing on whether or not the beast of Revelation 13 is a man, or man?

The natural man is described as a brute beast in the epistle of Yhudah, which is almost entirely a commentary on Sefer Henok, and thus, the anthropon-manfaced wich can creep up alongside while we are feasting in the word cannot be seen with the physical eyes of the natural minded man. They are the same men of old time, men having been named, men of renown, men written beforehand unto condemnation, brute beasts: but although they are manfaced, (anthropos), they are not physical human beings, they are typology, sin and evil personified. The old man ancient one highly respected, he is the head: the prophet teaching lies, he is the tail, (Isaiah 9:15). The kingdom of Elohim is within you and does not come with ocular-visual observation, (Luke 17:20-21).

 

[anetazo]

Gods Elect can answer it.
Isaiah 57:6. Among the smooth stones of the stream is thy portion; they, they are thy lot; even to them hast thou poured a drink offering, thou hast offered a meat offering, should I receive comfort in these?
The word is Count !!. These worn stones. What does it numerate too ??.

Look at the object. Who??.
CHAGAB. In Hebrew means = Nethinims.
BELIAL. In Greek means = satan.
ECHTROS : in Greek means = A NOUN, SATAN.
Were talking about object and noun.

Are you paying attention??.
Genesis chapter 3. Serpent, that's satan, beguiled eve. Sexual relations. Eve had twins. Two different fathers. Able is prodigy of Adam. Cain is seed of satan.
The kenites are offspring of Cain. These are satan's children.

Ezra chapter 8. The Nethinims are kenites. First chronicles chapter 2:55 to document the kenites.
These smooth stones represent the kenites and satan. Can you count the number 666 !.
APOLLUON in Greek means = destroyer. Thiers only one son of perdition, that's satan. He's coming near future in his role as antichrist.
Revelation chapter 13:18. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding Count the number of the beast; for it is the number of man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six.
PSEEPHIZO in Greek means = to count pebbles, to compute, calculate .

Conclusion is. The man is satan. He will come 6th trump in his role as antichrist.
Revelation chapter 18. The merchant's are kenites, nethinims. They are preparing the way for their daddy. Get the picture. The kenites operate from banking, trade and commerce. Money is power.
The kenites are also in the United nations. In Congress in Washington DC.
NATO and Gatt is no accident. The kenites influence politicians. The kenites are forming the coming one world political system. Satan is thier father. Do you understand?.
Do you now understand the significance of 666 ??.