666

[ForeverEndeavor]

This calls for wisdom: Let the person who has understanding figure out the number of the beast, because it is the number of a person. Its number is 666.
(Rev 13:18)


OK, I'm sure this topic has been done to death but I'm new so here goes:
What do you think this number is? Is it litteral? Is this some kind of code? It seems to be telling us a riddle. One that someone with wisdom should be able to figure out.

And...GO:

 

[vinsight4u]

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[ForeverEndeavor]

ok, but do you think that we would be able to use the 666 to figure out who it is even before the covenant and daniels 70th week? I don't know. I'm just looking for opinions.

 

[Brain Damage]

It's possable that it may only have meaning for the jews .

Search Gematria.

 

[OhhJim]

It might not be 666. It might be 600 and 60 and 6. That is what the text says. God can be very technical at times.

Also, one can go overboard with relating various things to the number 666. Not every instance of 6 is satanic.

 

[ForeverEndeavor]

True. Using the right formula, you can probably make 666 out of anything/anyone.

 

[Jipsah]

This calls for wisdom: Let the person who has understanding figure out the number of the beast, because it is the number of a person. Its number is 666. (Rev 13:18)

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In both Hebrew and Greek as well as other languages, letters of the alphabet were used as numbers. So names had a certain numerical value. "Nero Caesar" transliterated into the Hebrew from the Greek (Neron Kaiser) adds up to exactly 666 in Hebrew. N=50, R=200, W=6, N=50 plus Q=100, S=60, R=200 totals 666. This spelling of Nero Caesar was found in the discovery of an Aramaic document in Wadi Murabba`at (BASOR 170, 65). The Latin form of "Nero Caesar" when transliterated into Hebrew adds up to 616. This most likely explains the textual variant in Revelation 13:18 with the number 616. It should also be noted that the Greek word for "Beast" when transliterated back into Hebrew adds up to 666. Ancient writers referred to Nero as a "beast" (See Philostratus Vit. Apoll. 4.38; Sib. Or. 5.343; 8.157).

Add to that the fact that St. John appears to assume that "the person who has understanding" will know who "666" refers to. I'm willing to bet that among the people to whom the letter was originally written, they knew precisely who "666" meant.

 

[ForeverEndeavor]

haha. wait. You're saying that the antichrist has come and gone?

I bet you could count hundreds of thousands of people who'se name had the same result. Were they all the antichrist?

 

[applepowerpc]

I'm inclined to agree with a couple of other posters: I think Hebrew Gematria has the answer to 666. And I think among the Jews persecuting the Church during the time of John, they were looking for their own moshiach, or Messiah, and that Messiah's "true" name (whatever that is) had to spell 666. There are a couple of Hebrew names that do that. Fortunately, Yeshua is not one of them.

I think it's safe to say, if modern rabbinical Jews ever do find their moshiach, and his name in Hebrew Gematria spells 666, we have a winner.

 

[applepowerpc]

P.S. I found this interesting info on UPC bar codes and 666 quite awhile ago: http://www.rense.com/general20/666.htm

I independently verified the information on the site is accurate. Including: a) there indeed is a 666 in every UPC barcode. Go to your kitchen and grab anything with a UPC barcode to see for yourself. And b) Thomas Joseph Laurer did receive the patent on it. I additionally learned that the succeeding EAN-13 standard not only has a 666 in every code, but it has 13 digits and can be used worldwide.

I also verified the information on snopes.com is inaccurate. The so-called "barcode" they have is not a valid UPC.

 

[Jipsah]

haha. wait. You're saying that the antichrist has come and gone?

The beast has come and gone. There's no "the" antichrist mentioned in Scripture.

I bet you could count hundreds of thousands of people who'se name had the same result. Were they all the antichrist?

I doubt it.

I take it that you don't believe that St. John assumed that his readers would know who "666" was. If that be the case, why did he write it? Was that on a par with his "soon" and "at hand" that dispensationalists believe to be meaningless verbiage?

 

[vinsight4u]

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[OttawaUk]

The beast has come and gone. There's no "the" antichrist mentioned in Scripture.

I doubt it.

I take it that you don't believe that St. John assumed that his readers would know who "666" was. If that be the case, why did he write it? Was that on a par with his "soon" and "at hand" that dispensationalists believe to be meaningless verbiage?

You say that like its a fact, I would be careful teaching people that.

The truth is, none of us, including you, can say for certain.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to take a step back and look at the direction of this world and see something is up. Globalization, global governence, Israel the focus of the Middle East, peace agreements with Israel, the New Age Christ/Maitreya, lawlessness, people loving money and themselves over God.

Look at 2 Timothy 3:2-5

People will be self-centered and lovers of money, proud, haughty, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, irreligious, callous, implacable, slanderous, licentious, brutal, hating what is good, traitors, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, as they make a pretense of religion but deny its power. Reject them.

This is our world right now and its ugly. I don't see how people can be so stubborn with preterist viewpoints to imagine the final head of the Beast rising up from the sea in this current state of affairs, is not hard to believe at all.

So again, I caution you for blatantly teaching something Biblical you're speculating on, as fact.

God Bless.

 

[justified]

So again, I caution you for blatantly teaching something Biblical you're speculating on, as fact

Actually, we're pretty darn sure, and we've been sure since the third or fourth century.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Jipsah]

You say that like its a fact, I would be careful teaching people that.

I happen to hold that to be fact, and that's what I teach.

The truth is, none of us, including you, can say for certain.

As I've often said, in the end it's less likely that we'll find out whose eschatology was right as that we'll discover whose was least wrong.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to take a step back and look at the direction of this world and see something is up.

Sorry, I don't do "newspaper eschatology", and I know enough of history to know that all the "it ain't never been this bad before" stuff is bushwah.

Maitreya

Please don't start the "Maitreya" thing again, there is no such person!

Look at 2 Timothy 3:2-5

People will be self-centered and lovers of money, proud, haughty, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, irreligious, callous, implacable, slanderous, licentious, brutal, hating what is good, traitors, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, as they make a pretense of religion but deny its power. Reject them.

When was that not true?

So again, I caution you for blatantly teaching something Biblical

I know that's not what you meant to say, but I'll take it as written - yes, I blatantly teach Biblical stuff, and will continue to do so. As long as I'm both "jipsah" (deacon) and "sohnsang" (teacher), I can do no other.

 

[whitestar]

P.S. I found this interesting info on UPC bar codes and 666 quite awhile ago: http://www.rense.com/general20/666.htm

I independently verified the information on the site is accurate. Including: a) there indeed is a 666 in every UPC barcode. Go to your kitchen and grab anything with a UPC barcode to see for yourself. And b) Thomas Joseph Laurer did receive the patent on it. I additionally learned that the succeeding EAN-13 standard not only has a 666 in every code, but it has 13 digits and can be used worldwide.

I also verified the information on snopes.com is inaccurate. The so-called "barcode" they have is not a valid UPC.

You know I heard this before...I checked barcodes on a number of things I have...not one of them had any 666 on them. Even if some did, so what? The bible doesn't say 'things' will be marked with that number anyway.

 

[applepowerpc]

Not one of them does NOT have a 666 on them. Have you read the article? Every UPC symbol has a railroad-tracks on the right, left, and middle. That railroad-tracks is barcode for 6. To prove it, find any UPC symbol with a "6" in the right-hand side. You will see the barcode that goes with it is the same railroad-tracks symbol. Whether you feel that's significant or not, I'm telling you, it's there.

If every THING can have 666 on it, surely every PERSON can as well. Furthermore, this 666 indeed is a man's name--the name of the inventor. That was by design.

 

[interpreter]

This calls for wisdom: Let the person who has understanding figure out the number of the beast, because it is the number of a person. Its number is 666.
(Rev 13:18)


OK, I'm sure this topic has been done to death but I'm new so here goes:
What do you think this number is? Is it litteral? Is this some kind of code? It seems to be telling us a riddle. One that someone with wisdom should be able to figure out.

And...GO:

IMO, ther antiChrist was Hitler and his Third Reich. The third reich meant the third reign of the Holy Roman Empire. Rome is the sixth head of the beast, so the Third Reich was the third six of the 6-6-6 trilogy.

In the historicist view, the Revelation has been unfolding for quite some time now.

Barry

 

[vinsight4u]

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