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I think Hank Handegraaff/Sigmund Brouwer explain it well how the number 666 adds up to Nero. John wrote Revelation to the people of his time, in a way they could easily understand it, based on their culture, and reglion. It was written as a warning for the Jewish Christians of his time. Studying the OT helps explain Revelation. Knowing their belief and culture of that time, helps in understanding it. The problem we have is trying to apply it to our time in our culture ...that is where we come up with all sorts of werid off the wall ideas. We have to stop being so arrogant in doing doing this. Its no different then studying how their culture was to understand more fully what Jesus taught. Like in the Story of the Good Samaritan....in that time Samaritan were very looked down on by others. To fully appericate the story, you need to know that...in understanding that and why then it makes more sense to be able to apply it to our culture today. We don't have Samaritains...but we have others that the culture tends to look down on, don't we? You miss out on the richeness of the bible if you don't have some knowlege of the culture of that time.

Anyway from the book, The Last Disciples, I think its explained well how 666 points to Nero...in the second book it goes more into depth, explaining how its not JUST Nero that is the beast, that the beast is applied to two things...I will get to that in a minute.

(so this makes sense to the read, this man, Damian is a Roman slave hunter...he knows nothing about the Jewish beliefs, or who Jesus is...he got his hands on the letter John wrote about the beast and seeks out a Jew to help him understand it. He heard it might be a threat towards Nero and wants to find out more. the Jew is Azariah he is trying to explain to Damian how the number adds up to Nero).

"Tell me about a certain matter in the letter. In one way the author of the letter seems to identify him clearly. And in another, not clearly. Simply put, who is the Beast?"

Azariah's reaction was much different than Darda's had been a day earlier. "'Let the one who has understanding solve the number of the Beast,'" Azarah said, smiling as he quoted from the letter. He wiped a greasy finger against his leg. "That is what you want to know for the exorbitant price you offer?"
"Yes."

"Dardad didn't want to speak about it, did he?" Again, Azarah made it sound like a statement, not a question.
If Damian had needed a reminder about the cleverness of the man opposite him, here was a plain one.
Azariah continued. "Darda fears the authorites much more that I do. Of course, they don't owe him as much money as they owe me. Unlike him, I'm not afraid that discussing it will be seen as treason."

Again, another hint of the danger of the letter. Somehow Darda had decided that the letter spoke against the emperor, an offense punishable by immediate death. But Damian had given the number of the Beast much consideration and though otherwise. "How could it possibly be treason?" Damian asked. "The number of the Beast is not given by Nero's name."

"No?" Azariah smiled indulgently. "Pretend I know nothing about gematria. Pretend I am a little boy, just learning to read."

"Every letter in our alphabet corresponds to a number," Damian said with a touch of impatience, because the use of gematria to convert words and names into numbers was indeed something every literate person understood from the first days of formal education. "The first ten letters are the numbers 1 through 10, the eleventh letter represents 20, the twelfth letter 30, and so on until 100. The twentieth letter is 200, and each new letter represents an additional hundred."

Mock applause from Azariah. "Thus," Azariah said, "the famous verse of poetry that Nero hates: 'Count the numberical values of the letters in Nero's name, and in murder his own mother, and you will find their sum is the same.'"

Damian nodded. In Greek, the numbers of all the letters in Nero's name totaled 1,005. As did the numbers in the phrase murder his own mother. It was a clever verse and a clever piece of gematria, reflecting the widespread knowledge that indeed Nero had killed his mother, Agrippina. The fact that the verse appeared everywhere in public places and was widely understood for its slyness also relected the univeral use and acceptance of gematria.

"So you are puzzled about the reference to the number 666."
"Yes," Damian said. "Of course."
"To the Jewish people," Azariah said, "it is more than a number. It, like much of the rest of the leter, is also a symblol For the Herbrews, it is a fearful sign of a king and a kingdom in the image of the Dragon...the fallen angel who opposes God."

Azariah continued, obvioiusly aware of Damian's lack of comprehension. "To the Hebrews, 6 is a number of incompleteness, one short of 7, which stands for completeness. The triple 6 that much more so. But it's fascinating number and mathematically almost a riddle in and of itself, a code of multiple variations. I could spend hours expounding on this and believe me, I have given the number much thought since studying the letter for you."

Azariah had an empty scroll beside him. He picked it up and made some quick marking. (I can't show you this but it looks like a triangle filled with stars).

"This, as you know, is a triangular, " Azariah said. "A simple example. It's the traingular 21, which fourms two triangles with an inner triangle of 6 and an outer of 15, in a total of 6 lines. As the triangular 21, the total number of 21 is the sum of all the numbers from 1 to 6. If you extend this pattern all the way out to 36 lines, adding up all the numbers from 1 to 36, you fourm the triangular 666. I won't bore you with the calculations' trust me when I say that the triangle 666 is the 'fulfillment' of 105, a 12 fold triangle with the periphery of 30 x 3 1/2, a reckoning that also adds up to the fatally limited reign of 1,260 days that the letter prophesies for the Beast. Incredible code. Astounding, actually."

Azariah shook his head in awe. "It's even errie, epseically when you understand the name of the Beast." Damian was impressed at the rabbi's reaction of wonder and admiration, yet was too impatient to want more discussion of the matter. "I have far less interest in your calculations than in the name of the Beast," Damina said.

"But these numerical relationships are very significant," Azariah portested, "You came to me because..."
"The name of the Beast, " Damian interrupted. "That's what's imporant to me. It seems to me that John is plainly saying that I should be able to identify the Beast by its number. Except I can't."

"You are not Herbew." Azariah gave Damian a broad grin. "Which, if course, is why you came to me."
"You are saying you have the answer?"
"It is a plain to me as it would be to any other Jew reading it."

(had to stop)
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"Let me remind you I'm paying god money for that answer," Damian said, a trifle impatient. "Give me the name of the Beast."
"Not so fast. " Azariah was obviously enjoying this. "Let's talk more about the Beast. I must repeat how ingeniously the author accomplishes so much in so little writing. He says one thing and it can mean three things. The Beast, for example. To our people, in one sense the Beast refers to the Roman Empire, but in another sense, as given by the number 666, it is also about an individual emperor. Here...."

Azariah took the letter from Damian, unscrolled it, and scannned it. He paused, searched for a specific portion, found it and took a breath before reading it as if he were preaching in a synagogue. "'Now understand this: The seven heads of the east represent seven kings. Five kings have already fallen, the sixth now reigns, and the seventh is yet to come, but his reign will be brief. The scarlet beast that was alive and then died is the eighth king. He is like the other seven, and he, too, will go to his doom.'"

Azariah loooked up. "Tell me without giving it much thought. What numbers are significant and why?" Damian did as instructed, "'Seven hills,' Rome. That is very obvious. I understood it the frist time I read the letter, as would anybody in the world. "Five kings have already fallen; the sixth now reigns'? Any child who knows Roman history will answer that." He ticked off on his fingers as he named the emperors in succession. "Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and now Nero." Azariah nodded. "Stictly speaking, Julis Caesar did not allow himself to be called emperor, but he was a de facto emperor and everyone since has referred to him as one. So, yes it is an obvious reference to the frist six emperors after the fall of the Republic."
"So..." Damian spoke more slowely as he tried to think it through. "'The seventh is yet to come'. The next emperor? Brief reign? Then the eighth who will go to his doom?"

"One could easily read into that prediction of a rapid succession of emperors. "Doom suggest unnatural deaths."
(skipping down)

"I would say that John is wrting this letter to give comfort to all the followers of Jeses during this time persecution and tribulation. He is saying it will not continue indefinitely, and he is promising great rewards to those who persevere."

"Tribulation?"

"The one that is very obious to all Roman and Christians. It began shortly after the Great Fire, when Nero laid blame for it on the Christians, and continues with their horrible public executions."

"There is an ending to the Tribulation." Damian recalled what he'd read in the letter. "An ending that happens because the Beast dies. And then the unthinkable. Civil war." Except for one thing. The Beast in the letter could not be Nero. So Nero would have nothing in this letter to fear.

"I have tried gematria with all the names of rulers I know," Damian said. "The number 666 does not give me a beast I would recognize. And certainly not Nero."

"It doesn't?" Azariah smiled, than wrote a vertical column of letters on the scroll. "Look, here is the Herbrew alphabet. And here..." he stketched a second column besides the first..."the Greek alphabet. Simple, yes?"

"All right."

"The first ten letters of both alphabets correspond to the first ten numbers, 1 through 10. But the second ten correspond to the next ten tens."

"So iota, the tenth Greek letter, is 10, but the eleventh, kappa, is 10."

"Good. And the third ten letters..."

"Are hundreds, of course, Damain said, impatient. "I understand that Herbrew gematria uses the same principles as Greek. But John's letter was written in Greek so why discuss...?"

"Because the writer expects much of his audience to be Hebrew," Azriah said, obviously anticipating Damina's objections. "And he knows they will apply gematria accordingly."

Azariah took the scroll and etched out a few more letters. "As a Roman, you cannot be blamed for not knowing that Hebrew does not use vowels. This is how we spell Nero Caesar." Nr Csr.

"Six hundred and sixty-six," Damian said after a brief calculation. "Nero is the beast!"
 
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whitestar said:
I think Hank Handegraaff/Sigmund Brouwer explain it well how the number 666 adds up to Nero.
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And it can be 'made' to add up to countless others using the mathmatical formulas they can 'make' to fit numerous men -only they forget to look at the Scriptures to see exactly what will happen to that man and when.

So:HH is wrong.

Nero was not the final man of sin and was not destroyed by the brightness of the coming of the LORD on His throne of glory to put down all authority and to reign on earth for the thousand years -among many other false teaching of HH on the matter.

and this one wicked generation -the tares, the goats, those children of wrath, those children of the devil, those children of perdition -has not passed away; and the righteous have not inherited the earth and the reign of Peace did not come after that -and has not, still.

and Israel has not been restored as the kingdom of God on earth and the temple in Jerusalem has not been built that Jesus will reign on earth from -as Ezekiel describes -and so on and so forth.

HH teaches and writes fiction.
 
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And it can be 'made' to add up to countless others using the mathmatical formulas they can 'make' to fit numerous men -only they forget to look at the Scriptures to see exactly what will happen to that man and when.

So:HH is wrong.

You can tell from the scriptures other details which refer to Nero. You also can tell from the manuscript tradition that "NERO" was the name understood since the earliest times.
 
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justified said:
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You can tell from the scriptures other details which refer to Nero. You also can tell from the manuscript tradition that "NERO" was the name understood since the earliest times.
Only if you completely discount the Scriptures, themselves, using them only as a base for the fiction -that HH promotes.

Jesus didn't come on His throne of glory. Nero wasn't destroyed by the brightness of the coming of the LORD on His throne of glory -as lightning, to rule the world from Jerusalem and this generation is not passed away and the righteous have not inherited the earth and the glory of the LORD does not cover the earth as the waters cover the sea -and besides, that time of His reign on this earth will be for a thousand years and then the heavens and earth will be melted with fervent heat and be burned up and the LORD will regenerate the elements and we will be the New Jerusalem, come down from God out of heaven -where we went at the Rapture.

And besides, Rome was absolutely not the last 'king' that John was told of, who would reign over Jerusalem; there were [edited] two more to go.
Rome is, Ottomon turks were to come; and the End of that in 1917 has left Israel ruled by concensus of nations

Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
 
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yeshuasavedme said:
And it can be 'made' to add up to countless others using the mathmatical formulas they can 'make' to fit numerous men -only they forget to look at the Scriptures to see exactly what will happen to that man and when.

So:HH is wrong.

Nero was not the final man of sin and was not destroyed by the brightness of the coming of the LORD on His throne of glory to put down all authority and to reign on earth for the thousand years -among many other false teaching of HH on the matter.

and this one wicked generation -the tares, the goats, those children of wrath, those children of the devil, those children of perdition -has not passed away; and the righteous have not inherited the earth and the reign of Peace did not come after that -and has not, still.

and Israel has not been restored as the kingdom of God on earth and the temple in Jerusalem has not been built that Jesus will reign on earth from -as Ezekiel describes -and so on and so forth.

HH teaches and writes fiction.

Its true this book is fictionally based on facts...based on scriptures, and historal evidence. Jesus spoke in 'fictional' parables...are we do dismiss His work as fictional based on some parable? Of course not. That is not a good arguement. Can you say its fact that Christians were not fed to the lions during Nero's reign? That is also in the book, that is fact. Attacking HH does not prove he is wrong...its a straw man's arugment to attack the author rather then provide any proof that he is wrong. There is more to this story on the Beast anyway. Patience is a good thing here. Hank is NOT saying everything in Revelation has come to pass by any means...of course Jesus has not had His Second Coming yet...Hank does not say that...you are assuming he is...
 
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If every THING can have 666 on it, surely every PERSON can as well. Furthermore, this 666 indeed is a man's name--the name of the inventor. That was by design.

But the verse doesn't say the number is 6 and 6 and 6. It says it is "600 and 60 and 6". There is no 600 in the barcode. Even if those two lines actually mean "6", it still doesn't follow that the first one is 100 times more than the third one. It is three occurences of the number six, not one occurence of the number six hundred sixty six, or one number 600, one 60 and one 6.

I think it's safe to say the Apostle John didn't understand the arabic numerals we use. He wrote numbers in Hebrew or Greek or Roman. In Roman numerals, he would have said DC and LX and VI. There is no way he could have meant 6 and 6 and 6, and expected both the Hebrews of his time and the Americans of today to understand. If he'd meant the barcode thing, he'd have said "VI and VI and VI", in Latin. I don't know what he would have said in Greek or Hebrew, but the concept is the same.

Having said all that, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying it's not logical, based on the numbering system John knew. Maybe you're right, and it's not supposed to make sense. I don't know.
 
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yeshuasavedme said:
Only if you completely discount the Scriptures, themselves, using them only as a base for the fiction -that HH promotes.

Jesus didn't come on His throne of glory. Nero wasn't destroyed by the brightness of the coming of the LORD on His throne of glory -as lightning, to rule the world from Jerusalem and this generation is not passed away and the righteous have not inherited the earth and the glory of the LORD does not cover the earth as the waters cover the sea -and besides, that time of His reign on this earth will be for a thousand years and then the heavens and earth will be melted with fervent heat and be burned up and the LORD will regenerate the elements and we will be the New Jerusalem, come down from God out of heaven -where we went at the Rapture.

And besides, Rome was absolutely not the last 'king' that John was told of, who would reign over Jerusalem; there were [edited] two more to go.
Rome is, Ottomon turks were to come; and the End of that in 1917 has left Israel ruled by concensus of nations

Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Of course the whole point is that HH does not buy into the whole Millenialist interpretation. Only under that interpretation, would you consider them as relevant or applicable in the way that you descibe, and interpret scripture to say.
 
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Ohhjim, agreed.

I am more inclined to go with the Hebrew Gematria of a man's name being what's on the MOB, and implicit in that is that the man's name is the AC. I readily admit, though, the Bible doesn't SAY the man's name is the AC, so AFAIK the field is still open.

I just know that alarm whistles went off in my head when I saw this. Especially when I studied the EAN-13 barcode standard. I'm looking at my Kroger's frequent buyer's card on my keychain right now, that I buy groceries with. There is a UPC barcode on it, and that barcode corresponds to ME, in their database. And it's got a 666 on it. First thing the grocery store does, they scan my keychain, my name pops up, and I start buying food.

Is it on my forehead? No. Is it required for me to buy or sell? No. Is the UPC inventor the Antichrist? No. It's a slowly evolving process. I expect the dots to start connecting over time, but in the meantime, I've got my eyeball on this one. I don't think UPC gets enough credit from the futurist community. I mean, if people are going to patently reject that UPC has anything to do with the MOB, at least read what people have to say, know what it's about, and know WHY you reject it. Your reasoning of 600+60+6 is respectable; incidentally, by that same reasoning you can reject Nicolae Carpathia's 216 (i.e. 6-cubed) in Left Behind.
 
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Another reason I'm not sold on the bar code being involved, is because Revelation says you can have either the Mark, or his Name, or his Number. They seem to be interchangeable. I don't see how the bar code can involve the Name of the Beast. Number, yes. Mark, maybe. Name? :scratch:

Ah, well, I think we're all in for a surprise when it actually happens.
 
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OhhJim said:
Another reason I'm not sold on the bar code being involved, is because Revelation says you can have either the Mark, or his Name, or his Number. They seem to be interchangeable. I don't see how the bar code can involve the Name of the Beast. Number, yes. Mark, maybe. Name? :scratch:

Ah, well, I think we're all in for a surprise when it actually happens.
haha. Maybe his parents will name him 666 as a joke not knowing what they are doing. lol. Maybe not.
 
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as for Nero.....he never fulfilled Daniel....and Antiochus Epiphanes didn't either....

Nero was worm dust at the time of the temple destruction in 70....next....

Yes we know that. So you would rather believe, what? the Left Behind books...

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You can tell from the scriptures other details which refer to Nero. You also can tell from the manuscript tradition that "NERO" was the name understood since the earliest times.
No, one cannot tell such a thing from Scriptures that Nero is the final man of sin -for he was not destroyed by the brightness of the coming of the Son of Man on His throne of glory to rule the earth and destroy all the wicked out of it, so that their place is found no more, as He promised.

-and we're still here, and the Sabbath Rest of earth has not come and the neavens and the earth are not regenerated, and so on and so forth for dozens and dozens of obvious, not hidden, not secret reasons, that Nero was not the final man of sin... and the last end of the indignation that began at the removal of the throne of glory from the temple in Jerusalem and will culminate in the final battle over Jerusalem has not come.
 
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ForeverEndeavor said:
I think it's quite obvious that Nero was not the antichrist. It's quite ridiculous to beleive such assumptive nonsense. It's really not even worth arguing. That whole argument should be "left behind".

They will not leave it behind as long as HH can make merchandise of them by teaching those errors that he plagarizes. It isn't even close to Bible truths about the man of sin and the time of the end.
But HH makes money -lots and lots and lots of money- on those who buy into his teachings that are anti-biblical.
 
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Hank is the only one saying this..its not new! How about that...lets look at another person p.o.v. on this that includes scriptures and historical evidence...Revelation was written for the first century Christians. It all makes so much more sense when you read it that way too. I can't believe how scared people are to at least study it and find the flaws in this verse...so you can refute it without just attacking the poster or the an author...that is no way to refute something...that is what people do when they have NO evidence to refute an argument. At least learn how to propertly debate...

This book saying the same thing Hank (among many others by the way) was written in 1989. ...long before Hank thought to write his book.

http://freebooks.commentary.net/freebooks/docs/2186_47e.htm


Here Is Wisdom. Let Him Who Has Understanding Calculate The Number Of The Beast.
One of the greatest mysteries of all time is the identity of the dread Beast of the Book of Revelation. The Bible describes him as the ultimate villain in human history. He is the archetype of evil. He is the very incarnation of wickedness and perversion. It is not at all surprising then that many of the brightest minds throughout history have sought to identify and expose him.

Unfortunately, a great majority of those diligent detectives missed one of the most important clues-if not the most important clue-to solving the mystery. That clue according to Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr., is when and to whom the Apostle John actually wrote the Book of Revelation in the first place.

Following that clue, he is able to blow away the dusts of time that have masked the evil culprit's identity for so very long. Like any good detective, Dr. Gentry lets the evidence speak for itself and he lets you weigh all the facts to decide for yourself. But be forewarned: He has constructed an iron-clad case. This book is thus likely to revolutionize your interpretation of the mystery of the Beast-and the rest of the Book of Revelation as well.
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One of the greatest mysteries of all time is the identity of the dread Beast of Revelation. The Bible describes him as the ultimate villain in human history, the archetype of evil, the incarnation of wickedness and perversion. Based on his Th.D dissertation on the dating of Revelation, Dr. Gentry discusses the evidence thoroughly but in a popular style, and lets the reader choose for himself. But be forewarned: He has constructed an ironclad case for Nero as the Beast. This volume also summarized the evidence for a pre-A.D. 70 date for the writing of Revelation.

(you can follow the link above and actually read the book online...here is a bit from it)
The Beast of Revelation
by Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr 1989

The Last Days

This book is about the last days. It is not about the end times. The last days are different from the end times. The last days are not in the present or in the future; they are in the past. Still confused? So are millions of other Christians. The confusion stems from the fact that Christians have jumped to the conclusion..a wholly erroneous conclusion ..that the "last days" spoken of in the New Testment refer to the last days of the church (or to the misleading "Chruch Age") This conclusion is not warrented by the
various biblical texts. The last days spoken of in the New Testament were eschatological last days only for the national Israel, not for the New Covenant church. The "last days" were in fact the early days of the church of Jesus Christ.

How do we know this? How do we know that we are not now living in the last days and never will be? How do we know that the New Testament was written in the last
days, which came to a close over 1,900 years ago? Because the New Testament clearly says so. The author of the Epistle to the Hebrews specifically identified
his own era as the "last days." He wrote that God "Hath in this last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds" (Heb. 1:2). He was quite clear: he and his contemporaries were living in the last days.

The Destruction of the Temple

So, we need to ask this obvious quiestion: The last days of what? The answer is clear: the last days of the Old Covenant, including national Israel. The New Testment writers were living in the last days of animal sacrifices in the temple. This is the primary message of the Epistle to the Hebrews: the coming of a better sacrifice, a once-and-for-all scarifice, Jesus Christ. We read:" And for this cause he is the mediator of the
new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might recieve the
promise of enternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator" (Heb. 9:15-16). The inescapable concomitant
of Jesus' sacrifice at Calvary was His annulment of the Old Covenant's sacrificial system: And almost all the things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavently things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ is not entered into the holy places
made with hands, which are the figures of the true: but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us.......

But what about the Beast? Well, what about the beast? If my thesis is correct--
that the phrase "the last days" refers to the last days of Old Covenant Israel and the destruction of the temple in A.D. 70..then who was the beast? After all if New
Testament propheties regarding the beast were not fulfilled during the lifetime of John, but refer to some individual still in the church's future, there would seem to be no reason to believe that the other prophecies regarding 'the last days' were also fulfilled in his day. These prophecies must be taken as a unit. It is clear that the beast is a figure who is said to be alive in the last days. This is why it is imperative that we discover who the beast is or was. If he has not yet appeared, then the last days must also be ahead of us, unless we have actualy entered into them. If he has already appeared, then the last days are over. This book identifies the prophesied beast beyond any
reasonable doubt. This much I will tell you now; it is not Henry Kissinger.

If all of the potential buyers of The Beast of Revelation were to discover in advance that it is not filled with prophecies about brain-implanted computer chips, tatoos with identification numbers, cobra helicopters, nuclear war, and New Age consipiracies,
most of them would not buy it. Customers of most Christian bookstores too often prefer to be excited by the misinformation provided by a string of paperback false prophecies than to be comforted by the knowledge that the so-called Great Tribulation is long behind us. and that it was Israel's tribulation, not the church's.
(For bibical proof, see David Chilton's book, The Great Tribulation.) 12 They want thrills and chills, not accurate Bible exposition' they want a string of 'secert
insights,' not historical knowledge. Like legions of imaginative children sitting in front of the family radio back in the 1930's and 1940's who faithfully bought their Ovaltine, tore off the wrapper, and sent it to receive an offical "Little Orphan Annie secret decoder," fundamentalist Christians are repeatedly lured by the tempting promise that they can be 'the first ones on their block' to be 'on the inside'...to be the early recipients of the 'inside dope.' And that is just exactly what they have been sold, decade after decade.

Nine year old children were not totally decieved in 1938. They knew the difference between real life and make-believe. Make believe was thriling; it was fun' it was inexpensive by it was not real. The decoded make-believe secrets turned out to provide only fleeting excitement, but at least they could drink the Ovaltine. Furthermore, children eventually grow up, grow tired of Ovaltine, and stop ordering secert decorders.
 
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ikester said:
I'll believe scripture.....tho you stated Nero was Mr. 666.....

I believe scripture too. :) First and foremost and the historical evidence that backs it up. Makes for great witnessing when you can point to facts outside of the bible that prove all those people, places and events really did happen....for those nonbelievers. :)
 
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