6000 years?

[River Jordan]

Evolution is a lot of nonsense. They have to call a frame shift a mutation and that is total nonsense. Without that their theory falls apart.

What? What you posted makes no sense.

 

[AV1611VET]

What? What you posted makes no sense.

Psalm 103:14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.

 

[Perpetual Student]

Only two? Maybe 200 Evolution is a lot of nonsense. They have to call a frame shift a mutation and that is total nonsense. Without that their theory falls apart. The Bible clearly says that God declares the end from the beginning. Nothing could be more clear than that.

Frame shift mutations are nonsense? Go tell that to all the people with sickle cell anemia.

 

[AV1611VET]

Frame shift mutations are nonsense? Go tell that to all the people with sickle cell anemia.

Hi, Student!

Nice to meet you!

I like your caption.

But shouldn't it say:

Fighting ignorance, one textbook at a time ?

 

[Diamond72]

Frame shift mutations are nonsense? Go tell that to all the people with sickle cell anemia.

Congrats, you just shot yourself in the foot. If mutations have negative consequences that does not lend itself to any sort of evolution. (You know you still have go back to active duty. They do not send people home for shooting themselves in the foot.)

It's true that frame shift mutations can lead to serious genetic disorders, but sickle cell anemia is actually caused by a point mutation rather than a frame shift mutation. In sickle cell anemia, a single nucleotide change in the HBB gene leads to the production of abnormal hemoglobin.

Frame shift mutations contribute to genetic diversity within a population, providing raw material for natural selection to act upon. But it is not a mutation itself.

 

[River Jordan]

The insertion or deletion of a nucleotide, or nucleotides, are types of mutations. The resulting effect to the reading frame is the frame shift.

Frameshift Mutation

A frameshift mutation is a type of mutation involving the insertion or deletion of a nucleotide in which the number of deleted base pairs is not divisible by three.

www.genome.gov

That's why collectively it's referred to as a "frameshift mutation". Without the mutation the frameshift wouldn't occur.

 

[Diamond72]

That's why collectively it's referred to as a "frameshift mutation". Without the mutation the frameshift wouldn't occur.

Did you know from the very beginning computers were smarter than people when it came to playing chess. It is the same with frameshift. It may be beyond our ability to understand what God is doing but we can know for sure He does know what He is doing and He declares the end from the beginning. God is not rolling dice. He has a plan and he follows the plan.

Frameshift mutations can lead to significant biological changes, and the seemingly mysterious and complex workings of the world can ultimately reveal a greater plan.

 

[River Jordan]

Did you know from the very beginning computers were smarter than people when it came to playing chess. It is the same with frameshift. It may be beyond our ability to understand what God is doing but we can know for sure He does know what He is doing and He declares the end from the beginning. God is not rolling dice. He has a plan and he follows the plan.

Frameshift mutations can lead to significant biological changes, and the seemingly mysterious and complex workings of the world can ultimately reveal a greater plan.

Huh? Are you saying you believe God is responsible for every single mutation that's ever occurred?

 

[Diamond72]

Huh? Are you saying you believe God is responsible for every single mutation that's ever occurred?

I am saying frameshift is NOT A MUTATION. Frameshift is a natural part of how DNA operates. The shifting of the reading frame is a normal biological mechanism that can occur due to insertions or deletions in the DNA sequence. In essence, the frameshift is a result of how the genetic code is read and processed.

 

[River Jordan]

I am saying frameshift is NOT A MUTATION. Frameshift is a natural part of how DNA operates. The shifting of the reading frame is a normal biological mechanism that can occur due to insertions or deletions in the DNA sequence. In essence, the frameshift is a result of how the genetic code is read and processed.

I guess you missed my earlier post where I explained what a frameshift is and how it occurs (via mutation). You also didn't answer the question I asked you.

 

[Diamond72]

I guess you missed my earlier post where I explained what a frameshift is and how it occurs (via mutation). You also didn't answer the question I asked you.

My statement was a cut and paste-from AI.

What was your question?

 

[Diamond72]

What? What you posted makes no sense.

We are having a discussion about what frameshift is. Some people say it is a mistake, I say it is not a mistake.

"Frameshift is a natural part of how DNA operates. It involves the shifting of the reading frame, which is a normal biological mechanism that occurs due to insertions or deletions in the DNA sequence. While some may view frameshifts as mistakes because they can lead to significant changes in the resulting proteins, it's important to recognize that frameshifts are intrinsic to the way genetic information is read and processed. In essence, frameshifts are not errors but are part of the complex dynamics of genetic coding and expression." (copilot)

 

[Aaron112]

Or just more errors ?

 

[Aaron112]

Frame shift mutations are nonsense? Go tell that to all the people with sickle cell anemia.

Okay. Tell them.

 

[Diamond72]

Man and dinosaurs co-existed back then

This all goes back to ice core samples that records the years going back hundreds of thousands of years. If this is all embedded God sure packs a LOT of stuff into a core sample. For example there are air bubbles so we know how the atmosphere has changed over time. Also, you still have not addressed the issue that the spelling of the word Adam on day 6 is different from the spelling of the word Adam in Chapter two. You want to ignore that but YEC love to say the word day is spelled different depending on the context. Clearly the word for day means 24 hours in chapter one and everywhere in the Bible that YOM is used.

copilot says:
The atmosphere during the time of the dinosaurs, particularly the Mesozoic Era (about 252 to 66 million years ago), was quite different from today's atmosphere in several key ways:

1. Higher Oxygen Levels: The oxygen levels were significantly higher, especially during the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods. Oxygen levels may have been as high as 30-35% compared to the current 21%. This could have contributed to the large sizes of some dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures.
2. Higher Carbon Dioxide Levels: The carbon dioxide levels were much higher, which created a warmer global climate. This contributed to a greenhouse effect, leading to a more humid and warmer world with no polar ice caps.
3. Warmer Global Temperatures: Due to higher CO2 levels, the global temperatures were warmer, and the climate was more stable with less variation between seasons. This resulted in lush vegetation and diverse ecosystems that supported the dinosaurs.
4. Different Air Composition: The composition of trace gases in the atmosphere was different. Methane and other greenhouse gases were present in higher quantities, further contributing to the warm climate.
5. Absence of Ice Caps: Unlike today, there were no polar ice caps during the Mesozoic Era. The warmer climate meant that the polar regions were ice-free and supported diverse ecosystems.

These differences in the atmosphere contributed to the unique and diverse ecosystems that thrived during the age of the dinosaurs.

 

[AV1611VET]

This all goes back to ice core samples that records the years going back hundreds of thousands of years.

Only on paper.

If this is all embedded God sure packs a LOT of stuff into a core sample.

Ya -- who packed a WW2 plane under some tens of thousands of years of ice cores?

For example there are air bubbles so we know how the atmosphere has changed over time.

Uh-huh.

Also, you still have not addressed the issue that the spelling of the word Adam on day 6 is different from the spelling of the word Adam in Chapter two.

Perhaps the Hebrews misspelled it?

You want to ignore that but YEC love to say the word day is spelled different depending on the context.

Okay.

I'm not a YEC though.

How do the Swahili spell "day"?

Clearly the word for day means 24 hours in chapter one and everywhere in the Bible that YOM is used.

If you say so.

I've been saying "day" in chapter one means a 24-hour period all my life.

 

[Apple Sky]

For believers in this. I'm curious as to how you justify this? I'm going to assume that you aren't aware of the radioactive dating of the earth because only geologists and nuclear engineers really learn about that. But how do you explain dinosaur bones? Or the fact that we can trace human roots back far enough that it would seem unlikely that all humanity was created only a few thousand years earlier?

They are not dinosaur bones they are bones from the Nephilin (giants) 6000 years ago.

 

[River Jordan]

My statement was a cut and paste-from AI.

What was your question?

Never mind. I'm not interested in interacting with AI. That's not why I joined CF.

 

[Diamond72]

Never mind. I'm not interested in interacting with AI. That's not why I joined CF.

You are missing out on a lot. With AI I am able to understand a lot more in a lot less time. I come here to share with others what I have learned from AI.

 

[River Jordan]

You are missing out on a lot. With AI I am able to understand a lot more in a lot less time. I come here to share with others what I have learned from AI.

It doesn't look like it based on your posts about frame shifts.

Next time, instead of going to AI why not go to a genetics book or website?