6,000 Years?

[stevevw]

If the earth is old and even if we say its 30 to 300,000 years old ie orthodox srcheology claims humans go back 300,000 years with simple burials with tools in caves.

If the earth and humans are older than 6,000 years then this would mean that the creation of man in Gods image maybe more symbolic. That maybe at some point the first human to become God aware was an act of God whether that be a direct intervention or as a natural evolution that humans would reach this point.

I say this because the evidence seems to show no religious thought or beliefs and then a fairly sudden awareness of the gods. If the flood happened a few 1,000 years before it happened then humans would not have understood the flood as from God. It would have been just cause and effect.

So at some point humans became God aware like a spiritual awakening.

According to the bible people knew about God before the flood by the fact they sinned and worships idols and pagan gods. So it seems despite God creating Adam and Eve in His image people soon forgot that and started worshipping other gods and sin due to the fall.

So we should find a history of humans reaching a high point as a world as a civilisation before the flood came. To get to a point of always sinning would imply they though they were gods and built great monuments to their gods in defiance. This wasn't some small village mentality. They built their temples to the gods all over the world before the flood came and that is what we find in pre flood archeology.

I just find it hard to ignore all the evidence for recent events, evence for many lines that all point to humans being around a lot longer than 6,000. Its like asking someone to fit say my nation Australia's history timeline into 100 years when its nearly 250 years in the making. Let alone the Aboriginal culture that goes back 10's of 1,000's of years.

It just doesn't fit. Too much has happened, to much has changed, too much time is needed for things to develop naturally without forcing it into place.

 

[davetaff]

But Israel didn't come into the picture until some time after the Flood, taking the name from the new name God had given to Jacob. I disagree that there was no man in the image of God after Adam had died. You see, according to the bible, every human being is made in the image of God, though of course the image is marred by sin. Think of this verse:

“"Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man.” (Ge 9:6 NKJV)

If it was only Adam who had been made in God's image, that verse would make no sense.

Hi David
Thank you for your post as for the verse you quoted this applies to Christ and Israel the two men created in the image of God also makes them brothers the older brother Israel kills the younger brother Christ.
As for every human being is in the image of God how about women man in the image of God is Man and Women joind together as Adam and Eve one man on his own is not in the image of God even Christ had his bride the two joined together is man in the image of God the bride is all those chosen from the foundation of the world many are called but few are chosen
The word man should be understood as mankind in the image of God.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Job 33:6]

I know we have discussed this matter of a new creation starting with Noah many times. Can you point to bible verses that tell us that God started a new creation with Noah, and that each "day" of that new creation lasted 1,000 years? Noah and his family, plus all the animals on the ark, survived the Flood, so where does the new creation come in? According to the bible, "new creation" is a description applied to Christians:

“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.” (2Co 5:17 NKJV)

As far as I know, we are not told that Noah became a new creation after the Flood.

It is widely known that the story of Noah's flood has many verse by verse parallels to Genesis 1-3. Are you asking about the topic more broadly? Or for specific verse parallel examples?

You can find it commonly in academic literature, but here is a decent video that outlines some of the parallels:

And here:

The Noah's flood story is the reversal of creation (the waters ungathered and release from the firmament), complete chaos, tohu wa bohu. Then re-creation, the waters return and the windows of the sky close (Genesis 8:2).

 

[SynergyFOB]

Does anybody have proof that the earth and the entire universe really is 6,000 - ish years old beyond the usual arguments that science has debunked over and over again? Arguments like the rocks in the Grand Canyon or some other such weak examples? I’m looking for reputable scientists who’ve written peer reviewed papers on the subject and gained the support of other reputable scientists?

Here is the thing about your question and potential answers: nobody can answer this question with absolute certainty. Let me explain. We do know have a very good idea how old man is beginning from original sin because of the ages and dates provided in scripture. What NOONE can tell you how long Adam and Eve lived from their creation upto their original sin. We do know that God told them to be fruitful and multiply from day 6. We also know that Cain was afraid of the inhabitants of the land that they would kill him after he was cursed by God. Where did these inhabitants come from? We also know that cities or groups of people were named after a single person. Could Adam and Eve be specific people as well as a group of people? When Achan sinned, one man, the punishment for that sin fell on Israel. Just sayin'.
I do not believe in evolution or creation being billions of years old. I do believe there is an unknown amount of time they lived in perfection before original sin. One last though. Eve was cursed in childbirth. How would she understand that if she had not experienced birth without the curse? Thoughts to consider.

 

[Job 33:6]

Here is the thing about your question and potential answers: nobody can answer this question with absolute certainty.

Just because you cannot answer this question, doesn't mean that nobody else can. We know full well that the earth far exceeds 6,000 years in age, just as certain as we are that the sun is hot.

 

[SynergyFOB]

Just because you cannot answer this question, doesn't mean that nobody else can. We know full well that the earth far exceeds 6,000 years in age, just as certain as we are that the sun is hot.

But we cannot say for certain what that age is! It is not millions or billions of years old.

 

[Aaron112]

Science tells us it is not 6000 years old so, there is no proof.

FAITH IS the EVIDENCE..... that's proof enough for the ones abiding in Jesus.

 

[Job 33:6]

But we cannot say for certain what that age is! It is not millions or billions of years old.

It is millions of years old, and we know this as certain as we know that the sun is hot. And the earth has been understood to be ancient for, at this point in time, centuries.

 

[Aaron112]

The Doctor Dino said in an opening lesson: how easy it is to brainwash our little children ,
starting when a teacher/speaker in front of the room
first words to the kids are "Millions of years ago"...... i.e. immediate start of deception/brainwashing in this sinful dark world society we are immersed in dangerously.

 

[SynergyFOB]

It is millions of years old, and we know this as certain as we know that the sun is hot. And the earth has been understood to be ancient for, at this point in time, centuries.

No, we do not. We could not measure the age of the universe until time was created. Time ONLY exists and is measured by earth standards, the number or orbits around the sun. Time did not start until that measurement was established/created. Mars has a different orbit around the sun but we do not measure time by Martian orbits. We measure time when the earth started orbiting the sun.

 

[River Jordan]

The Doctor Dino said in an opening lesson: how easy it is to brainwash our little children ,
starting when a teacher/speaker in front of the room
first words to the kids are "Millions of years ago"...... i.e. immediate start of deception/brainwashing in this sinful dark world society we are immersed in dangerously.

Kent Hovind? Convicted felon, tax cheat, bizarro conspiracy theorist, wife abuser, and all around dishonest nut job Kent Hovind?

That guy has done more to drive people away from Christianity than all atheists combined IMO.

 

[Aaron112]

Thankfully men's opinions don't change the Truth. They either change if God lets them learn the truth, or not.

 

[Job 33:6]

No, we do not. We could not measure the age of the universe until time was created. Time ONLY exists and is measured by earth standards, the number or orbits around the sun. Time did not start until that measurement was established/created. Mars has a different orbit around the sun but we do not measure time by Martian orbits. We measure time when the earth started orbiting the sun.

You might not know this, but others do. This topic has nothing to do with the age of Mars.

 

[River Jordan]

Thankfully men's opinions don't change the Truth. They either change if God lets them learn the truth, or not.

That's correct. The truth is Hovind is a convicted felon and wife abuser, a tax cheat, a conspiracy nutjob, and is very dishonest no matter what opinions his devotee's have.

 

[Aaron112]

That's correct. The truth is Hovind is a convicted felon and wife abuser, a tax cheat, a conspiracy nutjob, and is very dishonest no matter what opinions his devotee's have.

So you have not yet learned the truth, all the truth, the truth in harmony with all of God's Word and rejecting the flaming darts of the enemy that pretends to be truth.

 

[BeyondET]

No, we do not. We could not measure the age of the universe until time was created. Time ONLY exists and is measured by earth standards, the number or orbits around the sun. Time did not start until that measurement was established/created. Mars has a different orbit around the sun but we do not measure time by Martian orbits. We measure time when the earth started orbiting the sun.

Time can be measured by the oscillation of a cesium atom, they are everywhere in the universe. Way more accurate than using earth's standards. Quasar's are another time piece out in the universe to gauge time. The speed of light is a time piece also.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

FAITH IS the EVIDENCE..... that's proof enough for the ones abiding in Jesus.

Jesus Christ of Nazareth did not preach science, He preached The Kingdom of God.
Blessings

 

[Aaron112]

Jesus Christ of Nazareth did not preach science, He preached The Kingdom of God.
Blessings

As Always, Follow Jesus. Trust Jesus. He made all things simple (and truthful).

Mankind came up with, devised, many distractions (habits, doctrines, fairytales) ....

 

[BeyondET]

Jesus Christ of Nazareth did not preach science, He preached The Kingdom of God.
Blessings

Definitely used science and preached it, leprosy was only cleansed by a miracle. Today science is the miracle that can cleanse the disease from someone.

Luke 7:22
So He replied, “Go back and report to John what you have seen and heard: The blind receive sight, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached to the poor.

 

[River Jordan]

So you have not yet learned the truth, all the truth, the truth in harmony with all of God's Word and rejecting the flaming darts of the enemy that pretends to be truth.

That reads like you think of Hovind as perfect and infallible, a person who can never do any wrong and can only be wronged.

We are not to put that sort of faith in men, let alone deeply flawed men like him,.