6,000 Years?

[stevevw]

So you don’t have any scientific evidence that the earth is 6000 years old either?

Everything I said is backed by scientific evidence. For example Gobekli Tepe has been dated to around 12,000 years.

Göbekli Tepe

Located in the Germuş mountains of south-eastern Anatolia, this property presents monumental round-oval and rectangular megalithic structures erected by hunter-gatherers in the Pre-Pottery Neolithic age between ...

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Its easy to show that the timeline is older than 6,000. Not with the big examples like the layers of the Grand Canyon but with the small stuff. Like for example the timeline for the birth of civilisation at 6,000 years would have to be pushed forward to say 4,000 years. But that then throws out all the other cultures.

So pushing 4,000 year old cultures back to 2,000 years ago which puts that culture completely out of synch with 2,000 years ago as it has a completely different signature being the time of Christ and the Roman Empire.

Sometimes we find these changing cultures on the same mound built over the top. So we can trace the cultures like we can trace the layers in the grand Canyon. But in this case we have a much shorter time and have lived experiences written into records for that time. So its a more realitistic measure.

We have records of the Egyptians when the Isrealites were enslaved around 1800 to 1400BCE. But that is only half way through the dynastic period which extends back to 3100BCE.

The Pharoah Djoser whose archetect was Imhotep built the Stepped pyramid for him in 2630BCE had 1,000's of granite and Diorite vases and some were over 6,000 years old from the pre dynastic period under his pyramid. That means Egyptian culture goes back at least 6,000 years or more as they had to first develop the ability to produce such precision vases.

Egypt, 8000–2000 B.C. | Chronology | Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History | The Metropolitan Museum of Art

“The Nile Valley is first inhabited in the Lower Paleolithic Period, later the pyramids of Giza and Saqqara arise in the Old Kingdom. Power decentralizes during the First Intermediate Period, only to be unified again by the Theban king Mentuhotep II in the Middle Kingdom.”

www.metmuseum.org

So if we cannot go beyond 6,000 years then we have to somehow push the pre dynastic Egyptian cultures into the dyanstic period and the post dynastics into the Egypt to Roman Polemic period and it throws everything out. Theres not enough room to fit the time periods needed for these cultures to develop into the different styles they have.

A good example is the ancient Neolithic site they found of a primitive ceremonial circle made of Mammoth tusks 25,000 years old. So this is way before Gobekli Tepe at 12,000 years.

So now we would have to fit these simple 25,000 year old ancient cultures with cultures like Gobekli Tepe over 12,000 years later and then with the rise of civilisation 6,000 years ago into a tiny time frame of probably 3 or 4,000 years which is impossible considering the vast differences in their level of knowledge and tech.

Add to that the even older simple and primitive sites found that are suppose to be 100,000 years old. Then the birth of simple tools, cave paintings and rock glyphs 50,000 years old. We don't even need dating as we can see the progression from simple cave people to more and more sophistication over a very long period of time.

By pushing everything into a 3 or 4,000 year time line we would have to say that the simple tool making humans that lived in caves came just before the age of the pyramids and the ancient dynastic Egyptians just before Rome and the time of Christ. Its unreal as it doesn't leave any time for progression and for the people to develop.

 

[Platte]

Everything I said is backed by scientific evidence. For example Gobekli Tepe has been dated to around 12,000 years.

Göbekli Tepe

Located in the Germuş mountains of south-eastern Anatolia, this property presents monumental round-oval and rectangular megalithic structures erected by hunter-gatherers in the Pre-Pottery Neolithic age between ...

whc.unesco.org

Its easy to show that the timeline is older than 6,000 not with the big examples like the layers of the Grqand Canyon but with the small stuff. Like for example even if we say that the timeline for the birth of civilisation is not 6,000 years we would have to push it forward to say 4,000 years. But that is pushing it as this now changes other cultures that were 4,000 years old and we can see the evolution from ancient and simple to more complex and technical.

So in pushing the 4,000 year old culture back to 2,000 years ago then puts that culture completely out of synch with 2,000 years ago which has a completely different signature being the time of Christ and the Roman Empire.

Sometimes we find these changing cultures on the same mound built over the top. So we can trace the cultures like we can trace the layers in the grand Canyon. But in this case we have a much shorter time and have lived experiences written into records for that time. So its a moire realitistic measure.

We haver records of the Egyptians when the Isrealites were enslaved around 1800BCE. But that is only half way through the dynastic period which extends back to 3100BCE. The 2nd or 3rd Pharoah Djoser who , Imhotep built the Stepped pyramid for him in 2630BCE had 1,000's of granite and Diorite vases and some were over 6,000 years old from the pre dynastic period.

Egypt, 8000–2000 B.C. | Chronology | Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History | The Metropolitan Museum of Art

“The Nile Valley is first inhabited in the Lower Paleolithic Period, later the pyramids of Giza and Saqqara arise in the Old Kingdom. Power decentralizes during the First Intermediate Period, only to be unified again by the Theban king Mentuhotep II in the Middle Kingdom.”

www.metmuseum.org

So if we cannot go beyond 6,000 years then we have to somehow push the pre dynastic Egyptian cultures into the dyanstic period and the post dynastics into the Egypt to Roman Polemic period and it throws everything out. Theres not enough room to fit the time periods needed for these cultures to develop into the different styles they have.

A good example is the ancient Neolithic site they found of a primitive ceremonial circle made of Mammoth tusks 25,000 years old. So this is way before Gobekli Tepe at 12,000 years.

So now we would have to fit these simple 25,000 year old ancient cultures with cultures like Gobekli Tepe over 12,000 years later and then with the rise of civilisation 6,000 years ago into a tiny time frame of probably 3 or 4,000 years which is impossible considering the vast differences in their level of knowledge and tech.

Add to that the even older simple and primitive sites found that are suppose to be 100,000 years old. Then the birth of simple tools, cave paintings and rock glyphs 50,000 years old. We don't even need dating as we can see the progression from simple cave people to more and more sophistication over a very long period of time.

By pushing everything into a 3 or 4,000 year time line we would have to say that the simple tool making humans that lived in caves came just before the age of the pyramids and the ancient dynastic Egyptians just before Rome and the time of Christ. Its unreal as it doesn't leave any time for progression and for the people to develop.

The History of Creation was given to us by Moses. Moses also gave us a chronological listing from Adam to Noah and then from Noah to Abraham. The detailed chronological listing Moses gave us provides us a timeline that Creation was approximately 6000 years ago.
The worlds recorded History goes back about 5500 years with the worlds first civilization being Mesopotamia which is approximately 5500 years ago also. Further supports the Creation timeline Moses provided us. Receiving information from God directly I would put at the top of a reliability discussion.

 

[Platte]

Everything I said is backed by scientific evidence. For example Gobekli Tepe has been dated to around 12,000 years.

Göbekli Tepe

Located in the Germuş mountains of south-eastern Anatolia, this property presents monumental round-oval and rectangular megalithic structures erected by hunter-gatherers in the Pre-Pottery Neolithic age between ...

whc.unesco.org

Its easy to show that the timeline is older than 6,000 not with the big examples like the layers of the Grqand Canyon but with the small stuff. Like for example even if we say that the timeline for the birth of civilisation is not 6,000 years we would have to push it forward to say 4,000 years. But that is pushing it as this now changes other cultures that were 4,000 years old and we can see the evolution from ancient and simple to more complex and technical.

So in pushing the 4,000 year old culture back to 2,000 years ago then puts that culture completely out of synch with 2,000 years ago which has a completely different signature being the time of Christ and the Roman Empire.

Sometimes we find these changing cultures on the same mound built over the top. So we can trace the cultures like we can trace the layers in the grand Canyon. But in this case we have a much shorter time and have lived experiences written into records for that time. So its a moire realitistic measure.

We haver records of the Egyptians when the Isrealites were enslaved around 1800BCE. But that is only half way through the dynastic period which extends back to 3100BCE. The 2nd or 3rd Pharoah Djoser who , Imhotep built the Stepped pyramid for him in 2630BCE had 1,000's of granite and Diorite vases and some were over 6,000 years old from the pre dynastic period.

Egypt, 8000–2000 B.C. | Chronology | Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History | The Metropolitan Museum of Art

“The Nile Valley is first inhabited in the Lower Paleolithic Period, later the pyramids of Giza and Saqqara arise in the Old Kingdom. Power decentralizes during the First Intermediate Period, only to be unified again by the Theban king Mentuhotep II in the Middle Kingdom.”

www.metmuseum.org

So if we cannot go beyond 6,000 years then we have to somehow push the pre dynastic Egyptian cultures into the dyanstic period and the post dynastics into the Egypt to Roman Polemic period and it throws everything out. Theres not enough room to fit the time periods needed for these cultures to develop into the different styles they have.

A good example is the ancient Neolithic site they found of a primitive ceremonial circle made of Mammoth tusks 25,000 years old. So this is way before Gobekli Tepe at 12,000 years.

So now we would have to fit these simple 25,000 year old ancient cultures with cultures like Gobekli Tepe over 12,000 years later and then with the rise of civilisation 6,000 years ago into a tiny time frame of probably 3 or 4,000 years which is impossible considering the vast differences in their level of knowledge and tech.

Add to that the even older simple and primitive sites found that are suppose to be 100,000 years old. Then the birth of simple tools, cave paintings and rock glyphs 50,000 years old. We don't even need dating as we can see the progression from simple cave people to more and more sophistication over a very long period of time.

By pushing everything into a 3 or 4,000 year time line we would have to say that the simple tool making humans that lived in caves came just before the age of the pyramids and the ancient dynastic Egyptians just before Rome and the time of Christ. Its unreal as it doesn't leave any time for progression and for the people to develop.

The world’s 1st civilization was Mesopotamia approx 5500 years ago. Recorded History also begins approx 5500 years ago. Both support a timeline of creation being approx 6000 years ago

 

[stevevw]

The History of Creation was given to us by Moses. Moses also gave us a chronological listing from Adam to Noah and then from Noah to Abraham. The detailed chronological listing Moses gave us provides us a timeline that Creation was approximately 6000 years ago.
The worlds recorded History goes back about 5500 years with the worlds first civilization being Mesopotamia which is approximately 5500 years ago also. Further supports the Creation timeline Moses provided us. Receiving information from God directly I would put at the top of a reliability discussion.

I know and this is the dilemma many face in reconciling the two histories. But how do we know that the stories are not about a time when God did create man in his own image but within a longer timelin. I think some believe the Old age creation story where human creation was at the end of a long period of creation. Or that the creation of man in Gods image was about breathing GOds spirit into humans more recently.

I don't know. But it seems the short timeline has too many issues. Not just on the geological and archeological lines of evidence but on our recent lived experience that we do have records for from the people who lived it and from the archeological finds that show a progression of advancement that took time.

Like I said if you claim that "the worlds first civilization being Mesopotamia approximately 5,500 years ago then how can you reconcile discoveries like Gobekli Tepe which is dated to around double that time.

The problem is Gobekli Tepe is just the tip of the iceburge. the temple found at Gobekli Tepe is just one part of a much bigger site and there are around 40 or 50 of these sites around eastern Turkey meaning this was like a large proto civilization itself.

We are now discovering 100's and 100's of these type of megalithic sites around the world dating back to the same time. What this means is that there were already Mesopotamian type civilisations all over the world well before Mesopotamia.

Mesopotamia gained its knowledge from these earlier cultures like Gobekli Tepe, the pre Dynastic Egyptians, the pre Inca and Myan civilisations and others throughout North America before the native Indians, Europe, Japan, China, Russia and even the British Isles. They all have a similar history of ancient cultures going back 12 or 15.000 years.

So what seems to be emerging is that before the flood there was a world as great as ours today but with a different kind of knowledge and tech. It was associated with the skies, astronomy, geometry and nature. Then all these civilisations suddenly disappeared in a relatively short time and the later cultures, the Inca, Dynastic Egyptians, Indians early Greeks found these megaliths and honored them as from the gods.

So there would not be enough time to fit in such a hugh world wide civilisations and the building of all the megaliths and then their destruction before Mesopotamia came along.

You do realise that the Mesopotamian cultures came from an earlier culture. They didn't just pop out of nowhere with all their amazing statues and writing. There was 1,000s of years of prewriting glyphs in the form of ground shapes, rock art and stone glyph and symbols.

How do we fit all that progression into the small time period between creation and Mesopotamia being 5,500 years old. Theres not enough time.

 

[stevevw]

The world’s 1st civilization was Mesopotamia approx 5500 years ago. Recorded History also begins approx 5500 years ago. Both support a timeline of creation being approx 6000 years ago

Then how do you explain say the predynastic Egyptians that go back 15,000 years. Even the dynastic Egyptians began 5,100 years ago and we have archeological evidence of the pre dynastic Mastabas which were the forerunner to the pyramids that go back well beyond 6,000 years.

What about the cultures before Mesopotamia. There were cultures before the Sumarians like Gobekli Tepe. The region in eastern Turkey is just above Mesopotamia. They were the pre Mesopotamians that were around well before 6,000 years.

If you disgree with the dating then look at the practicality. We know there were cultures before Mesopotamia and they were more primitive and we see that with sites like Gobekli Tepe. But Gobekli Tepe also needed time to develop into what it was.

We then have evidence from even more primitive sites like the Neolithic cultures who used Mammoth tusks to build simple ceremonial circles. They also needed time to develop. Then we go back again and we see simple cave paintings before any structures when living in caves. That took time to develope. Then we can go back again when to flint tools that needed time to develop.

Your more or less saying that all these completely different levels of knowledge happened at the same time as Mesopotamia to all fit in. So humans using simple and primitive flint tools happened at the same time as pyramid and megalith building. On a practical level its impossible even without dates. Its like saying that the development from the Romans to todays modern civilisation happened in 100 years.

 

[Platte]

I know and this is the dilemma many face in reconciling the two histories. But how do we know that the stories are not about a time when God did create man in his own image but within a longer timelin. I think some believe the Old age creation story where human creation was at the end of a long period of creation. Or that the creation of man in Gods image was about breathing GOds spirit into humans more recently.

I don't know. But it seems the short timeline has too many issues. Not just on the geological and archeological lines of evidence but on our recent lived experience that we do have records for from the people who lived it and from the archeological finds that show a progression of advancement that took time.

Like I said if you claim that "the worlds first civilization being Mesopotamia approximately 5,500 years ago then how can you reconcile discoveries like Gobekli Tepe which is dated to around double that time.

The problem is Gobekli Tepe is just the tip of the iceburge. the temple found at Gobekli Tepe is just one part of a much bigger site and there are around 40 or 50 of these sites around eastern Turkey meaning this was like a large proto civilization itself.

We are now discovering 100's and 100's of these type of megalithic sites around the world dating back to the same time. What this means is that there were already Mesopotamian type civilisations all over the world well before Mesopotamia.

Mesopotamia gained its knowledge from these earlier cultures like Gobekli Tepe, the pre Dynastic Egyptians, the pre Inca and Myan civilisations and others throughout North America before the native Indians, Europe, Japan, China, Russia and even the British Isles. They all have a similar history of ancient cultures going back 12 or 15.000 years.

So what seems to be emerging is that before the flood there was a world as great as ours today but with a different kind of knowledge and tech. It was associated with the skies, astronomy, geometry and nature. Then all these civilisations suddenly disappeared in a relatively short time and the later cultures, the Inca, Dynastic Egyptians, Indians early Greeks found these megaliths and honored them as from the gods.

So there would not be enough time to fit in such a hugh world wide civilisations and the building of all the megaliths and then their destruction before Mesopotamia came along.

You do realise that the Mesopotamian cultures came from an earlier culture. They didn't just pop out of nowhere with all their amazing statues and writing. There was 1,000s of years of prewriting glyphs in the form of ground shapes, rock art and stone glyph and symbols.

How do we fit all that progression into the small time period between creation and Mesopotamia being 5,500 years old. Theres not enough time.

There is plenty of time. I live in Virginia. Jamestown is all you need to think about. 350 people. That was 400 years ago.

 

[Platte]

Then how do you explain say the predynastic Egyptians that go back 15,000 years. Even the dynastic Egyptians began 5,100 years ago and we have archeological evidence of the pre dynastic Mastabas which were the forerunner to the pyramids that go back well beyond 6,000 years.

What about the cultures before Mesopotamia. There were cultures before the Sumarians like Gobekli Tepe. The region in eastern Turkey is just above Mesopotamia. They were the pre Mesopotamians that were around well before 6,000 years.

If you disgree with the dating then look at the practicality. We know there were cultures before Mesopotamia and they were more primitive and we see that with sites like Gobekli Tepe. But Gobekli Tepe also needed time to develop into what it was.

We then have evidence from even more primitive sites like the Neolithic cultures who used Mammoth tusks to build simple ceremonial circles. They also needed time to develop. Then we go back again and we see simple cave paintings before any structures when living in caves. That took time to develope. Then we can go back again when to flint tools that needed time to develop.

Your more or less saying that all these completely different levels of knowledge happened at the same time as Mesopotamia to all fit in. So humans using simple and primitive flint tools happened at the same time as pyramid and megalith building. On a practical level its impossible even without dates. Its like saying that the development from the Romans to todays modern civilisation happened in 100 years.

Critical thinking is important. The timeline and Creation account was given to us by God yet it’s still important to review and understand the timeline.

Gobekli Tepe is how old?

 

[stevevw]

There is plenty of time. I live in Virginia. Jamestown is all you need to think about. 350 people.

Theres not plenty of time. Thats just unreal. Its not even about time. Its just weird to say people were building primitive circles with mammoth tusks and working with flint tools around the same time as building megaliths like the pyramids in the hardest stone. The two are worlds apart but you want to make them happen around the same time. Its just obviously unreal and against what we know as how progression works.

Like we didn't make the printing press until the 15th century. It took 1,000s of years from when we first began to write. The same with the wheel. But your more or less saying these things happened in an instant. We jumped from simple flint tools to precision block megaliths and civilisations is 100 years. Its impossible.

 

[Platte]

Theres not plenty of time. Thats just unreal. Its not even about time. Its just weird to say people were building primitive circles with mammoth tusks and working with flint tools around the same time as building megaliths like the pyramids in the hardest stone. The two are worlds apart but you want to make them happen around the same time. Its just obviously unreal and against what we know as how progression works.

Like we didn't make the printing press until the 15th century. It took 1,000s of years from when we first began to write. The same with the wheel. But your more or less saying these things happened in an instant. We jumped from simple flint tools to precision block megaliths and civilisations is 100 years. Its impossible.

Jamestown to today is 400 years. Look at that civilization and compare to ours. Wow! All in 400 years! Not possible

 

[stevevw]

Critical thinking is important. The timeline and Creation account was given to us by God yet it’s still important to review and understand the timeline.

Gobekli Tepe is how old?

Gobekli Tepe is around 12,000 years old. It came way before Mesopotamia. But this is just one site. There are 100,s around the world. That is why there has been such amazement as we thought Mesopotamia was the earliest civilisation but now we are finding smaller versions that predate Mesopotamia and now have to adjust the timeline.

You only have to look at Gobekli Tepe to know it is mush older and less lelegant than the structures in Suma Mesopotamia. Yet Gobekli Tepe is way more sophisticated than the simple primitive hunter gathers with flint tools we thought predated Mesopotamia.

So before Mesopotamia we have Gobekli Tepe and before Gobekli Tepe we have the simple primitive H&G with flint tools. This took just as long as forming Mesopotamia before Mesopotamia came into being. The Mesopotamia even tell us there were people before them.

 

[stevevw]

Jamestown to today is 400 years. Look at that civilization and compare to ours. Wow! All in 400 years! Not possible

I am not sure what you mean. Isn't Jamestown still steeped in the past. Its not a good example. Thats actually supporting my arguement that progression takes time.

But what your trying to do is take a town like Jamestown and say that this developed at the same time as says a modern city like Hong Kong. The two don't belong in the same ballpark and theres 100s of years of progression between them. But to fit them into your timeline we have to say they progressed at the same time.

 

[Platte]

I am not sure what you mean. Isn't Jamestown still steeped in the past. Its not a good example. Thats actually supporting my arguement that progression takes time.

But what your trying to do is take a town like Jamestown and say that this developed at the same time as says a modern city like Hong Kong. The two don't belong in the same ballpark and theres 100s of years of progression between them. But to fit them into your timeline we have to say they progressed at the same time.

My point is progression can happen unrealistically very quickly. 150 years ago all we had was horses. Now we are flying around on rockets. Going from obly a horse to landing on the moon took about 75 years.

 

[Platte]

Gobekli Tepe is around 12,000 years old. It came way before Mesopotamia. But this is just one site. There are 100,s around the world. That is why there has been such amazement as we thought Mesopotamia was the earliest civilisation but now we are finding smaller versions that predate Mesopotamia and now have to adjust the timeline.

You only have to look at Gobekli Tepe to know it is mush older and less lelegant than the structures in Suma Mesopotamia. Yet Gobekli Tepe is way more sophisticated than the simple primitive hunter gathers with flint tools we thought predated Mesopotamia.

So before Mesopotamia we have Gobekli Tepe and before Gobekli Tepe we have the simple primitive H&G with flint tools. This took just as long as forming Mesopotamia before Mesopotamia came into being. The Mesopotamia even tell us there were people before them.

It’s 12000 years ago? Where’s the critical thinking? How was that dated and by whom? Push that envelope!

 

[stevevw]

My point is progression can happen unrealistically very quickly. 150 years ago all we had was horses. Now we are flying around on rockets. Going from obly a horse to landing on the moon took about 75 years.

Yes the 20th century things began to speed up because of the accumulated knowledge. Thats the point. We could not have built the cars with wheels unless we came up with the wheel. Once we came up with the wheel that opened the door for other things. But it took a very long time to initially come up with the wheel.

We made the car around 150 years ago right. But look how long it took us to make the car some 6,000 years. It took a long time to get to the 20th century level of knowledge. But once there tech breeds more tech breeds more tech and things speed up. So obviously the further we go back the more time it took as people did not have all that knowledge to draw on.

 

[Platte]

Yes the 20th century things began to speed up because of the accumulated knowledge. Thats the point. We could not have built the cars with wheels unless we came up with the wheel. Once we came up with the wheel that opened the door for other things. But it took a very long time to initially come up with the wheel.

We made the car around 150 years ago right. But look how long it took us to make the car some 6,000 years. It took a long time to get to the 20th century level of knowledge. But once there tech breeds more tech breeds more tech and things speed up. So obviously the further we go back the more time it took as people did not have all that knowledge to draw on.

To create a wheel would take 1 person. That same person would probably then come up with a wagon to use the wheels. That is pretty simple stuff. You’re speculating on how long it would take to progress. It doesn’t take long in most cases.

 

[stevevw]

It’s 12000 years ago? Where’s the critical thinking? How was that dated and by whom? Push that envelope!

This was done by Radio Carbon dating by several independent scientists.
Radiocarbon dating shows that the earliest exposed structures at Göbekli Tepe were built between 9500 and 9000 BCE, towards the end of the Pre-Pottery Neolithic A (PPNA) period.

Göbekli Tepe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We also have other ways of dating cultures. Ruins have been found under places like the Black and Mediteranian sea as well as the Persian gulf and desert. We know these areas were either tropical 5,000 years ago and now covered in sand or above sea level around 5 to 10,000 years ago and are now under water.

For example did you know that there were vast ancient cities in the middle of the desert which were tropical around 5 to 6,000 years ago. The Sphinx has 1,000s of years of water erosion around it and the last time it rained that much was around 5,000 years ago.

Most of these ancient works at at the bottom layer where other cultures had built on top even up to 34 or four times. Meaning that we could find say ruins from say Turkey that may go back to Greek origins which may date back to 3,000BCE but then find another two layers under this where each layer may have been around for 1,000 or 2,000 years due to its depth.

But if the earth is 6,000 years then we somehow have to reduce the time of the early cultures development down to an unreal short time as though an entire culture just popped up overnight and then disappeared quickly. Too quick to have had time to do what they achieved.

Its this bottom layer that we are finding was an entire worldwide civilisation that may have taken longer than all the known cultures from Mesopotamia until today to develop into what it become. Because the level of works is as great if not greater than what we have achieved in that time.

So if it took us 5,500 years to say the industrial revolution it would have taken these ancient cultures the same time if not longer to reach their industrial revolution in the building of the megalith cities all over the world and the precision works they produced. So its not just about dating but the practicality of fitting in the lived reality of these cultures that is found in the archeological records.

 

[stevevw]

To create a wheel would take 1 person. That same person would probably then come up with a wagon to use the wheels. That is pretty simple stuff. You’re speculating on how long it would take to progress. It doesn’t take long in most cases.

Yes it seems simple. But the fact is the predynastic and early dynastic Egyptians for example did not have the wheel just over 4,500 years ago. We see its emergence in the later dynasties and of course the well know chariots of the pharoah of the Hebrews time in Egypt around 3,500 years ago.

So it took a long time to just come up with such a simple idea.

But heres the weird thing. The predynastic and early dynastic Egyptians actually achieved more in many ways. Look at the mega pyramids. They were all built within a 100 year period in the earliest phase including all the precision granite staues, boxes, vases, temples and underground tombs dug into the bedrock.

Then they disappear and theres a intermediate period where we don't really know what happened. But then along comes the later Egyptians who cannot reproduce these mega and precision works and theres no more big pyramids or precision granite works. It becomes less quality and smaller like progression went backwards.

This is reflected all over the world. In Peru the pre Inca people created giant megaliths and precision works like the hexagon black walls. Then they disappear and along come the Inca with less quality works. The same in Japan, Asia, Turkey, North America. All over the world there was civilisations that had reach a pinnicle of mega and precision works. They all seem to have a paganistic belief about either nature like animals, or the stars and planets and seasons or even themselves were gods or spirit gods.

So it seems they reach this pinnacle of knowledge and belief and then disappeared. Only to be replaced by what we call progression from stone age to the wheel, car and industrial revolution. Its very strange what we are finding. Like cultures peaked then collapsed and then started again.

But to fit all that in 5,500 years is unreal.

 

[Platte]

This was done by Radio Carbon dating by several independent scientists.
Radiocarbon dating shows that the earliest exposed structures at Göbekli Tepe were built between 9500 and 9000 BCE, towards the end of the Pre-Pottery Neolithic A (PPNA) period.

Göbekli Tepe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We also have other ways of dating cultures. Ruins have been found under places like the Black and Mediteranian sea as well as the Persian gulf and desert. We know these areas were either tropical 5,000 years ago and now covered in sand or above sea level around 5 to 10,000 years ago and are now under water.

For example did you know that there were vast ancient cities in the middle of the desert which were tropical around 5 to 6,000 years ago. The Sphinx has 1,000s of years of water erosion around it and the last time it rained that much was around 5,000 years ago.

Most of these ancient works at at the bottom layer where other cultures had built on top even up to 34 or four times. Meaning that we could find say ruins from say Turkey that may go back to Greek origins which may date back to 3,000BCE but then find another two layers under this where each layer may have been around for 1,000 or 2,000 years due to its depth.

But if the earth is 6,000 years then we somehow have to reduce the time of the early cultures development down to an unreal short time as though an entire culture just popped up overnight and then disappeared quickly. Too quick to have had time to do what they achieved.

Its this bottom layer that we are finding was an entire worldwide civilisation that may have taken longer than all the known cultures from Mesopotamia until today to develop into what it become. Because the level of works is as great if not greater than what we have achieved in that time.

So if it took us 5,500 years to say the industrial revolution it would have taken these ancient cultures the same time if not longer to reach their industrial revolution in the building of the megalith cities all over the world and the precision works they produced. So its not just about dating but the practicality of fitting in the lived reality of these cultures that is found in the archeological records.

Explain the radio dating of gobekli tepi. What was the amount of C14 that was measured and what was the original amount of C14 that was used to determine its age? What was the C14/C12 ratio and how was that used to determine its age?

 

[Platte]

Yes it seems simple. But the fact is the predynastic and early dynastic Egyptians for example did not have the wheel just over 4,500 years ago. We see its emergence in the later dynasties and of course the well know chariots of the pharoah of the Hebrews time in Egypt around 3,500 years ago.

So it took a long time to just come up with such a simple idea.

But heres the weird thing. The predynastic and early dynastic Egyptians actually achieved more in many ways. Look at the mega pyramids. They were all built within a 100 year period in the earliest phase including all the precision granite staues, boxes, vases, temples and underground tombs dug into the bedrock.

Then they disappear and theres a intermediate period where we don't really know what happened. But then along comes the later Egyptians who cannot reproduce these mega and precision works and theres no more big pyramids or precision granite works. It becomes less quality and smaller like progression went backwards.

This is reflected all over the world. In Peru the pre Inca people created giant megaliths and precision works like the hexagon black walls. Then they disappear and along come the Inca with less quality works. The same in Japan, Asia, Turkey, North America. All over the world there was civilisations that had reach a pinnicle of mega and precision works. They all seem to have a paganistic belief about either nature like animals, or the stars and planets and seasons or even themselves were gods or spirit gods.

So it seems they reach this pinnacle of knowledge and belief and then disappeared. Only to be replaced by what we call progression from stone age to the wheel, car and industrial revolution. Its very strange what we are finding. Like cultures peaked then collapsed and then started again.

But to fit all that in 5,500 years is unreal.

The entire recorded History that we have is 5500 years. Everything we have documented has fit into that 5500 year period.

 

[stevevw]

Explain the radio dating of gobekli tepi. What was the amount of C14 that was measured and what was the original amount of C14 that was used to determine its age? What was the C14/C12 ratio and how was that used to determine its age?

That would be contained in this article.

Radiocarbon dating the first temples of mankind. Comments on 14C-Dates from Göbekli Tepe
The monument has been reliably dated to 9500-8500 BC using the radiocarbon method (Dietrich, 2011 , Dietrich & Schmidt, 2010.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258182967_Radiocarbon_dating_the_first_temples_of_mankind_Comments_on_14C-Dates_from_Gobekli_Tepe#:~:text=The%20importance%20of%20the%20ancient,%2C%20Dietrich%20%26%20Schmidt%2C%202010.

But like I said its not just the dating. You only have to look at Gobekli Tepe with say works from around 5,000 years ago like the Egyptian megaliths and precision works to know they are worlds apart and there was a long time between them and that they did not happen at the same time or even near each other.