59% want FBI agents charged

[USincognito]

I guess it's legal to rig federal elections. And why not? Teacher's unions rig local elections all the time. Give us bigger pensions, and we'll get you elected. Nothing like a little incest.

It's fascinating to see how language can be perverted and Internet memes can become common knowledge for some folks.
Teachers unions supporting candidates is no more "rigging" an election than it is when corporations and high wealth individuals donate money or when regular folks turn out to vote for candidates they support.

The definition of terrorism is the use of violence to affect a political outcome. Isn't that what BLM did? Was the organization charged with terrorism for all the violent demonstrations across the country which were used to affect the 2020 election?

The myth that every rioter during the civil unrest of 2020 was a dues paying BLM member has metastasized in the hive mind of the right, but it simply isn't true. 93% of BLM marches and protests were peaceful. Violence in some of the 7% were caused by white nationalists like the Boogaloos. Most of the violence was simply apolitical criminals using civil unrest as a cover to commit crimes and mayhem.

What about gaming elections? Isn't that what Mark Zuckerberg did in the 2020 election? He dumped something like $400 million into key districts just a couple of months before the election where he specifically targeted Dems. There weren't that many districts that needed to flip.

Here we have another example of a falsehood that has become common knowledge.

Posts misrepresent Mark Zuckerberg’s election spending

CLAIM: Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg spent more than $400 million in 2020 to elect Joe Biden, violating campaign finance rules that limit donations. AP’S ASSESSMENT: Missing context.

apnews.com

>> Ben LaBolt, a spokesperson for Zuckerberg and Chan, described the online claims as “not accurate.”

“Mark and Priscilla provided funding to two non-partisan organizations that helped cities and states ensure that residents could vote regardless of their party or preference,” he wrote in an email to the AP. “Nearly 2,500 election jurisdictions from 49 states applied for and received funds, including urban, suburban, rural, and exurban counties.”

LaBolt wrote that the grants were “made in full compliance with the law.”

A review of online FEC records show that Zuckerberg did not directly donate to Biden’s 2020 presidential campaign. LaBolt also confirmed that Zuckerberg did not make any direct donations. <<

If all else fails, just ignore the law. Isn't that what the Pennsylvania Supreme Court in the 2020 election? Mail-in ballots are directly addressed in the state constitution. Any changes required a constitutional amendment, yet that the new mail-in ballot changes were not an amendment to the constitution. A 3rd grader could see something fishy here, yet the state Supreme Court said the changes were fine.

The challenge to the 2019 law was filed AFTER the outcome had been determined and the plaintiffs didn't like the results. The state Supreme Court said that if they really had a problem with the law, they should have filed when it was passed.

At this point we can see that anything goes with Dems. And if they don't win the presidency, then cities will burn. Republicans seem to be mostly sleeping.

The lack of self-awareness in this part is stunning. Republicans have been gerrymandering like crazy for 20 years, closing polling stations in minority areas, harassing poll workers, limiting drop boxes to 1 in a county of 4 million people, eliminating college IDs as acceptable for voting, pushing plans to throw out results they don't like and have legislatures pick the winner, etc. etc. etc.

 

[rjs330]

I guess it's legal to rig federal elections. And why not? Teacher's unions rig local elections all the time. Give us bigger pensions, and we'll get you elected. Nothing like a little incest.

The definition of terrorism is the use of violence to affect a political outcome. Isn't that what BLM did? Was the organization charged with terrorism for all the violent demonstrations across the country which were used to affect the 2020 election?

What about gaming elections? Isn't that what Mark Zuckerberg did in the 2020 election? He dumped something like $400 million into key districts just a couple of months before the election where he specifically targeted Dems. There weren't that many districts that needed to flip.

If all else fails, just ignore the law. Isn't that what the Pennsylvania Supreme Court in the 2020 election? Mail-in ballots are directly addressed in the state constitution. Any changes required a constitutional amendment, yet that the new mail-in ballot changes were not an amendment to the constitution. A 3rd grader could see something fishy here, yet the state Supreme Court said the changes were fine.

At this point we can see that anything goes with Dems. And if they don't win the presidency, then cities will burn. Republicans seem to be mostly sleeping.

Yeah I don't think there is question that the election was rigged.

Fraudulent? No. What fraud was proven was little enough to not make any difference. Rigged is something else entirely.

But as far as this thread is concerned I think the FBI administration should be charged with whatever laws they can be. I don't honestly know much about federal laws. But I'm sure there are some relating to not being honest with federal judges, dereliction of duty stuff like that. I don't know. But we know how it all works. Nothing is going to happen to any of them.

 

[USincognito]

Yeah I don't think there is question that the election was rigged.

And yet no one has produced any evidence of that.

Fraudulent? No. What fraud was proven was little enough to not make any difference. Rigged is something else entirely.

I would think that if an election was rigged, that would mean it was fraudulent.

But as far as this thread is concerned I think the FBI administration should be charged with whatever laws they can be. I don't honestly know much about federal laws. But I'm sure there are some relating to not being honest with federal judges, dereliction of duty stuff like that. I don't know. But we know how it all works. Nothing is going to happen to any of them.

"We know they're guilty, we just need to find something with which to charge them."

 

[Hans Blaster]

According to Horowitz and Durham an attorney altered a document presented for a FISA application on Carter Page. I believe you know that, I'm just saying.

In June 2017 on the third renewal of that warrant, Kevin Clinesmith (an attorney at the FBI) inserted the words "was not a source" about Carter Page's relationship to another agency when he was a source from 2008-13 into the renewal application for the FISA warrant.

This occurred *after* CH was started, after the election, and after the authorized surveillance of Page began.

Here is the document to which Clinesmith plead.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.221058/gov.uscourts.dcd.221058.1.0_4.pdf

 

[childeye 2]

In June 2017 on the third renewal of that warrant, Kevin Clinesmith (an attorney at the FBI) inserted the words "was not a source" about Carter Page's relationship to another agency when he was a source from 2008-13 into the renewal application for the FISA warrant.

This occurred *after* CH was started, after the election, and after the authorized surveillance of Page began.

Here is the document to which Clinesmith plead.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.221058/gov.uscourts.dcd.221058.1.0_4.pdf

Thanks, that was an interesting read. Judging from interviews I've seen of Carter Page on tv, I've always had my suspicions that Carter Page was a means to get eyes and ears on the inside of the campaign.

 

[Belk]

A majority of likely voters say FBI officials who promoted claims linking former President Donald Trump to Russia should be criminally prosecuted, according to a new Rasmussen poll.

The poll, released Friday, found that 59% of respondents say those inside the FBI who pushed the narrative that Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign and Russia colluded to sway that year’s presidential election should face criminal charges.

59% of Americans say FBI officials involved in Trump collusion probe should face criminal charges

A majority of likely voters say FBI officials who promoted claims linking former President Donald Trump to Russia should be criminally prosecuted, according to a new Rasmussen poll.

www.washingtontimes.com

Guess it is a good thing we go by the rule of law, not popular opinion.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I would like to see these agents tarred, feathered, and marched across the White House lawn.

...The clowns that they are!

 

[Pommer]

I would like to see these agents tarred, feathered, and marched across the White House lawn.

...The clowns that they are!

This would probably run afoul of the eighth amendment.

 

[childeye 2]

I would like to see these agents tarred, feathered, and marched across the White House lawn.

...The clowns that they are!

You're falling for propaganda. The Spirit that loves others as themselves would require proof of wrongdoing rather than accepting and promoting slander about others. At least ask yourself why there are no charges being recommended by Durham, who actually did the investigation and wrote the report.

 

[Landon Caeli]

You're falling for propaganda. The Spirit that loves others as themselves would require proof of wrongdoing rather than accepting and promoting slander about others. At least ask yourself why there are no charges being recommended by Durham, who actually did the investigation and wrote the report.

Trump did nothing wrong. What about bearing false witness against someone, for personal or political gain? Which is what has happened and is still happening? What about the Spirit to love others as themselves in that regard?

 

[Landon Caeli]

This would probably run afoul of the eighth amendment.

Probably so, but this was still a mockery of our entire country and a circus show performed for the entire world.

 

[childeye 2]

Trump did nothing wrong. What about bearing false witness against someone, for personal or political gain? Which is what has happened and is still happening? What about the Spirit to love others as themselves in that regard?

There is no proof presented where FBI officials promoted claims linking Trump with Russia. That's a false premise in the op.

As far as collusion goes and slander for political gain, I'm going to repost this from my earlier post#3.

I'm always in a spiritual battle as a Christian. The term devil means to me accuser/slanderer. When dealing with the darkness of the unknown, I understand why the Holy Spirit would tell me to beware not to entertain slander about others but to show grace through faith. But, in this case there are facts that illuminate the darkness of the unknown and these facts give sight. Even so, scripture does say that there are some that love the darkness more than the Light and I leave that to God to deal with according to His wisdom. Otherwise, I think it might be helpful to show below the definition of collusion.

col·lu·sion
NOUN

1. secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others:

So, apparently, some voters are unaware of the documented fact that some members of the Trump campaign knew that Russia was secretly helping them as early as June 3, 2016. They then said nothing or fibbed about it to the public so as to keep it secret, and ended up slandering others while denying any suggestion that Russia would be involved in helping their campaign.

From July 24, 2016. Below is an interview with Jake Tapper. Please keep in mind when you read it, that Don junior is already aware that Russia is secretly trying to help Trump win when he gives this interview, because he has already had the meeting at Trump Tower with the Russians on June 9, 2016, and has already responded to the email, which states: "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump, June 3, 2016".

JAKE TAPPER: So, I don't know if you were hearing earlier, but Robby Mook, the campaign manager for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton — I asked him about the DNC leak. And he suggested that experts are saying that Russians were behind both the leak — the hacking of the DNC emails and their release. He seemed to be suggesting that this is part of a plot to help Donald Trump and hurt Hillary Clinton. Your response?

TRUMP JR.: Well, it just goes to show you their exact moral compass. I mean, they will say anything to be able to win this. I mean, this is time and time again, lie after lie. You notice he won't say, well, I say this. We hear experts. You know, here's (INAUDIBLE) at home once said that this is what's happening with the Russians. It's disgusting. It's so phony. I watched him bumble through the interview, I was able to hear it on audio a little bit. I mean, I can't think of bigger lies, but that exactly goes to show you what the DNC and what the Clinton camp will do. They will lie and do anything to win.

'I love it': Donald Trump Jr posts emails from Russia offering material on Clinton

So, it would be wise to ask for the actual statements made by FBI officials that were deemed false, along with the evidence that show them to be false BEFORE repeating anything slanderous, so that we don't serve the devil.

 

[Landon Caeli]

There is no proof presented where FBI officials promoted claims linking Trump with Russia. That's a false premise in the op.

As far as collusion goes and slander for political gain, I'm going to repost this from my earlier post#3.

I'm always in a spiritual battle as a Christian. The term devil means to me accuser/slanderer. When dealing with the darkness of the unknown, I understand why the Holy Spirit would tell me to beware not to entertain slander about others but to show grace through faith. But, in this case there are facts that illuminate the darkness of the unknown and these facts give sight. Even so, scripture does say that there are some that love the darkness more than the Light and I leave that to God to deal with according to His wisdom. Otherwise, I think it might be helpful to show below the definition of collusion.

col·lu·sion
NOUN

1. secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others:

So, apparently, some voters are unaware of the documented fact that some members of the Trump campaign knew that Russia was secretly helping them as early as June 3, 2016. They then said nothing or fibbed about it to the public so as to keep it secret, and ended up slandering others while denying any suggestion that Russia would be involved in helping their campaign.

From July 24, 2016. Below is an interview with Jake Tapper. Please keep in mind when you read it, that Don junior is already aware that Russia is secretly trying to help Trump win when he gives this interview, because he has already had the meeting at Trump Tower with the Russians on June 9, 2016, and has already responded to the email, which states: "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump, June 3, 2016".

JAKE TAPPER: So, I don't know if you were hearing earlier, but Robby Mook, the campaign manager for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton — I asked him about the DNC leak. And he suggested that experts are saying that Russians were behind both the leak — the hacking of the DNC emails and their release. He seemed to be suggesting that this is part of a plot to help Donald Trump and hurt Hillary Clinton. Your response?

TRUMP JR.: Well, it just goes to show you their exact moral compass. I mean, they will say anything to be able to win this. I mean, this is time and time again, lie after lie. You notice he won't say, well, I say this. We hear experts. You know, here's (INAUDIBLE) at home once said that this is what's happening with the Russians. It's disgusting. It's so phony. I watched him bumble through the interview, I was able to hear it on audio a little bit. I mean, I can't think of bigger lies, but that exactly goes to show you what the DNC and what the Clinton camp will do. They will lie and do anything to win.

'I love it': Donald Trump Jr posts emails from Russia offering material on Clinton

So, it would be wise to ask for the actual statements made by FBI officials that were deemed false, along with the evidence that show them to be false BEFORE repeating anything slanderous, so that we don't serve the devil.

What information did the Trump campaign recieve from Russia exactly, that the FBI needed to make a years-long, media-crazed circus show over?

 

[Landon Caeli]

So, it would be wise to ask for the actual statements made by FBI officials that were deemed false, along with the evidence that show them to be false BEFORE repeating anything slanderous, so that we don't serve the devil.

There doesn't need to be anything "false"... The circus show *is* the reason that some FBI agents ought to be tarred, feathered, and marched across the White House lawn. IMO.

...Because they made a mockery of our country, and presented it to the entire world.

Maybe, a lot of FBI agents should quit their jobs, and go work in soap operas, where the drama is never-ending.

 

[rjs330]

And yet no one has produced any evidence of that.

I would think that if an election was rigged, that would mean it was fraudulent.

"We know they're guilty, we just need to find something with which to charge them."

The difference between rigged and fraudulent is understandable.

Fraud in the election is falsifying the results. Fake ballots, counting votes and saying one person won when someone else actually had more votes, having people vote more than once, dead people voting and that sort of thing. Things that are totally illegal.

Rigged is doing things like Pennsylvania did by violating it's own laws and having the courts declairs it was okay to do so.

Zuckerberg spending spree of 400 million dollars in specific democratic areas to get out the vote.

The media all in the same page of attacking Trump while supporting Biden.

Twitter and Facebook misinformation campaigns.

All perfectly legal by the way. That's how you rig an election and it will happen again in 2024. You just have to learn how to overcome that. It won't be easy, unless things get worse in the US and the independents say enough is enough. The Democrats have learned how to rig an election. We'll find out if the Republicans learned how to counter that.

Look I'm not super interested in this right now so I probably won't respond anymore, but I just wanted to help you understand the difference I was talking about.

 

[rjs330]

There is no proof presented where FBI officials promoted claims linking Trump with Russia. That's a false premise in the op.

As far as collusion goes and slander for political gain, I'm going to repost this from my earlier post#3.

I'm always in a spiritual battle as a Christian. The term devil means to me accuser/slanderer. When dealing with the darkness of the unknown, I understand why the Holy Spirit would tell me to beware not to entertain slander about others but to show grace through faith. But, in this case there are facts that illuminate the darkness of the unknown and these facts give sight. Even so, scripture does say that there are some that love the darkness more than the Light and I leave that to God to deal with according to His wisdom. Otherwise, I think it might be helpful to show below the definition of collusion.

col·lu·sion
NOUN

1. secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others:

So, apparently, some voters are unaware of the documented fact that some members of the Trump campaign knew that Russia was secretly helping them as early as June 3, 2016. They then said nothing or fibbed about it to the public so as to keep it secret, and ended up slandering others while denying any suggestion that Russia would be involved in helping their campaign.

From July 24, 2016. Below is an interview with Jake Tapper. Please keep in mind when you read it, that Don junior is already aware that Russia is secretly trying to help Trump win when he gives this interview, because he has already had the meeting at Trump Tower with the Russians on June 9, 2016, and has already responded to the email, which states: "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump, June 3, 2016".

JAKE TAPPER: So, I don't know if you were hearing earlier, but Robby Mook, the campaign manager for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton — I asked him about the DNC leak. And he suggested that experts are saying that Russians were behind both the leak — the hacking of the DNC emails and their release. He seemed to be suggesting that this is part of a plot to help Donald Trump and hurt Hillary Clinton. Your response?

TRUMP JR.: Well, it just goes to show you their exact moral compass. I mean, they will say anything to be able to win this. I mean, this is time and time again, lie after lie. You notice he won't say, well, I say this. We hear experts. You know, here's (INAUDIBLE) at home once said that this is what's happening with the Russians. It's disgusting. It's so phony. I watched him bumble through the interview, I was able to hear it on audio a little bit. I mean, I can't think of bigger lies, but that exactly goes to show you what the DNC and what the Clinton camp will do. They will lie and do anything to win.

'I love it': Donald Trump Jr posts emails from Russia offering material on Clinton

So, it would be wise to ask for the actual statements made by FBI officials that were deemed false, along with the evidence that show them to be false BEFORE repeating anything slanderous, so that we don't serve the devil.

Just keep in mind it was Clinton that actually got stuff against Trump from Russian agents. It wasn't Trump.

I guess we'll debate this till the cows come home, but it's been shown how the FBi acted unethically at least. Treated Trump and Clinton differently etc.

This was deep state stuff. Those that were involved in all of this should be removed from the agency at the very least. They are supposed to be above board in all they do. Everyone treated equally, no questions that justice was blind and no one received harsher treatment than anyone else. They are supposed to be above politics. But they weren't. All those involved need to be removed for failing to uphold the standard.

 

[childeye 2]

There doesn't need to be anything "false"... The circus show *is* the reason that some FBI agents ought to be tarred, feathered, and marched across the White House lawn. IMO.

When we accuse and slander others, we're serving the devil. When we believe slanderers of others we are wicked. When we justify it by calling it a circus we are liars controlled by the devil.

...Because they made a mockery of our country, and presented it to the entire world.

I'm not going to entertain any slander about others. The FBI did their jobs and both of the official investigations by IG have shown the facts of this.

Maybe, a lot of FBI agents should quit their jobs, and go work in soap operas, where the drama is never-ending.

The FBI just did their jobs like everyone else, and they should be loved just as we would want to be loved. The only drama here is coming from those who believe slander and spread slander.

 

[Landon Caeli]

When we accuse and slander others, we're serving the devil. When we believe slanderers of others we are wicked. When we justify it by calling it a circus we are liars controlled by the devil.

I'm not going to entertaining any slander about others. The FBI did their jobs and both of the official investigations by IG have shown the facts of this.

The FBI just did their jobs like everyone else, and they should be loved just as we would want to be loved. The only drama here is coming from those who believe slander and spread slander.

This thread is not about me, or any other posters being liars or being controlled by the devil.

This is a debate forum.

 

[KCfromNC]

I guess it's legal to rig federal elections.

Perhaps a bit of research would prevent this post from starting out guessing things which are obviously wrong?

 

[KCfromNC]

Yeah I don't think there is question that the election was rigged.

Yep, any time it has been investigated there is no question that far-right propaganda about elections being rigged has turned out to be nothing but empty rhetoric.
I mean, even the people promoting that sort of story were too scared to actually try to sell it in a court - weird they'd change their mind in venues where lying has actual consequences if they were actually confident in their claims. Oh well, what can you do?