50 Reasons Muhammad Was Not a Prophet

[BaconWizard]

First one would need to prove that the name is supposed to be pronounced that way for me to know if Jews knew that name.

OH, but Aleister Crowley cracked it!

There are a ton of titles and names of HaShem in the text though. I won't make decisions on the validity of religious claims if they know or don't know the "magic word" so to speak.

Quite.

 

[LoAmmi]

OH, but Aleister Crowley cracked it!

Yes, I'm always amazed at how many people think they know Hebrew better than the group of people who have kept it around for 3000 or so years.

 

[CherubRam]

Yes, when they were Jews.

Citation needed

An utter irrelevance and long since forgotten then as for now: Muhammad was born circa 570CE, 1400+ years later.

Originally Posted by CherubRam View Post
Mohammad possibly said: You already believe Alilah is a god, why not believe he is the only god.
Citation needed
The source of the quote could not be located, so I changed the sentence to a speculation.

 

[CherubRam]

Yes, I'm always amazed at how many people think they know Hebrew better than the group of people who have kept it around for 3000 or so years.

Lets see your proof of any error? Or are you just talking to yourself?

 

[LoAmmi]

Lets see your proof of any error? Or are you just talking to yourself?

Proof:

Jews, who have kept the Torah and Hebrew language for thousands of years, do not know the correct pronunciation of the name whereas yahoos in the last century or so believe they have cracked the code though extreme mental gymnastics. The yahoos COULD be right, but they have no proof for their claim except the aforementioned mental gymnastics.

 

[CherubRam]

Proof:

Jews, who have kept the Torah and Hebrew language for thousands of years, do not know the correct pronunciation of the name whereas yahoos in the last century or so believe they have cracked the code though extreme mental gymnastics. The yahoos COULD be right, but they have no proof for their claim except the aforementioned mental gymnastics.

Just as I thought, no proof.

 

[LoAmmi]

Just as I thought, no proof.

I've read your "proof" before. It gets a

Let me give it to you:

Because [unsubstantiated assumption] and [unsubstantiated assumption] we can concluded [faulty conclusion based upon lack of knowledge and unsubstantiated assumptions].

 

[LoAmmi]

Prove I cannot fly under my own power. I make the claim that I can based upon doing it yesterday to get to work.

Good luck proving a negative.

 

[BaconWizard]

Lets see your proof of any error? Or are you just talking to yourself?

To discuss the error, there must be something for the error to be in. So lets see the process by which you claim it was cracked for us to examine, so we can perhaps find an error.

Lack of any such expose requires that you reduce your arguement to speculation. Again.

And speculation is not truth, not sacred, not holy and not sensible.

 

[CherubRam]

I've read your "proof" before. It gets a

Let me give it to you:

Because [unsubstantiated assumption] and [unsubstantiated assumption] we can concluded [faulty conclusion based upon lack of knowledge and unsubstantiated assumptions].

No example has been given so your complaint is unsubstantiated. No substance. None.

 

[CherubRam]

To discuss the error, there must be something for the error to be in. So lets see the process by which you claim it was cracked for us to examine, so we can perhaps find an error.

Lack of any such expose requires that you reduce your arguement to speculation. Again.

And speculation is not truth, not sacred, not holy and not sensible.

So much for logic.

 

[BaconWizard]

So much for logic.

You are being required to use some, and show it.

Unevidenced claims can be dismissed without evidence.

 

[Rationalt]

There was a time when the Arabs Knew the God of Abraham as Yahwah.

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Not many of them.The Arabs didn't have the concept of Jealous God until muhammad introduced it.Judaism has spread via yemen to Arabic areas.The polytheistic Arabs didn't care much for other people beliefs.Arabs were free to convert to Judaism or christianity or whatever religion they took fancy to.

Very few of them actually knew about Abraham or any of the characters of bible.

 

[BaconWizard]

No example has been given so your complaint is unsubstantiated. No substance. None.

The burden of proof lies with the claimant. That's you. Get on with it.

No? Fail.

 

[Rationalt]

Muhammad didn't ask medina jews not only to accept him as prophet he also wants payment from them.



The following link quotes sirat (biography written by muslims) of muhammad giving some details.


Myth: Muhammad and the Banu Nadir

Sirat online: https://archive.org/details/TheLifeOfMohammedGuillaume

 

[BaconWizard]

Muhammad didn't ask medina jews not only to accept him as prophet he also wants payment from them.



The following link quotes sirat (biography written by muslims) of muhammad giving some details.


Myth: Muhammad and the Banu Nadir

Sirat online: https://archive.org/details/TheLifeOfMohammedGuillaume

Just a quick question: given that it is neither Quran nor Hadith (some of which are themselves disputed between the different "denominations") why do you particularly feel that THIS Muslim's particular view and not that of say Mālik ibn Anas (or anyone else for that matter) is correct, and what is your evidence for that reason?

 

[Rationalt]

Just a quick question: given that it is neither Quran nor Hadith (some of which are themselves disputed between the different "denominations") why do you particularly feel that THIS Muslim's particular view

The contents of sirah are not views.It contains recordings by devout muslims.

and not that of say Mālik ibn Anas (or anyone else for that matter) is correct, and what is your evidence for that reason?

You post as if you know something about this particular Islamic school of thought .Did you read some blog purportedly written about maliki school of islam ? .

Btw, the core teachings of different islamic school of thoughts don't differ much as far as treating nonmuslims are concerned.

May be you should spend time to read maliki's views on jihad.They agree well with some plain texts of quran. Don't waste my time asking what they are ,before doing some research on your own.

 

[simplegifts]

Who historically became worshipped as the one, true and only Abrahamic god.
Judaism is no different, in which Jesus himself believed.
Even the word for God in the opening verses of Genesis, is Elohim: the plural of El (god)

The difference between a god or gods, and God.

So what? While certainly related via sanskrit, they are not the same language. There is no reasonable expectation that any 2 similar words of your choice be the same.

So what? You ask. People generally do not like to attack a persons religion, but some Muslims are using their "religion" and writings to promote inequality and violence. Leaving those who are trying to support multiculturalism in a real pickle.

Islam must be seen for what it really is - an ideology with the tiniest bit of religion.

Allah heals, stills a Muslims heart when that person punishes another? -
009.014 Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,
009.015 And still the indignation of their hearts. For Allah will turn (in mercy) to whom He will; and Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

 

[BaconWizard]

So what? You ask. People generally do not like to attack a persons religion, but some Muslims are using their "religion" and writings to promote inequality and violence. Leaving those who are trying to support multiculturalism in a real pickle.

Islam must be seen for what it really is - an ideology with the tiniest bit of religion.

Allah heals, stills a Muslims heart when that person punishes another? -
009.014 Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,
009.015 And still the indignation of their hearts. For Allah will turn (in mercy) to whom He will; and Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

This does not explain what relevance there is to choosing 2 similar sounding words from 2 disparate languages and then bemoaning that they do not mean the same thing.

As a separate issue, I wonder how easily or can separate any given religion from ideology.

 

[WoodrowX2]

Muhammad didn't ask medina jews not only to accept him as prophet he also wants payment from them.



The following link quotes sirat (biography written by muslims) of muhammad giving some details.


Myth: Muhammad and the Banu Nadir

Sirat online: https://archive.org/details/TheLifeOfMohammedGuillaume

You will find that many of us are not very trusting of the "Sirat Rasul Allah" It has a very poor chain of authenticity, While Ishaq did base it upon the Ahadith, it is known that some of the Hadith he used had poor Isnad, along with low Authenticity and lack of reliability.

Ishaq's work did not survive in the original. Before it was destroyed it was copied by Hisham who admittatly did some editing and elaboration this also did not survive but it was copied by Taburi who also eddeted and embellished it. That is what exists today ad Ishaq's

For an in depth view of the Islamic criticisms of the "Sirat" check HERE