5 Questions for Creationists

[Faith In God]

OP: You like to use the word "convenient" and how facts line up with evolutionary theory in a coincidental way if YEC is true.

But you realize that evolutionary theory was developed as a study in chain logic, right? Pre-suppositions were posited against which to examine the evidence.

 

[EternalDragon]

When do you pick up your Nobel prize for showing that evolution did not happen, in your own mind?

How do you show something that didn't happen, as not happening?

There are plenty of actual scientists that have written articles, papers and books against the theory. Perhaps you should pick some up?

 

[bhsmte]

How do you show something that didn't happen, as not happening?

There are plenty of actual scientists that have written articles, papers and books against the theory. Perhaps you should pick some up?

Yea, if you look hard enough, you can find them.

The vast majority of the scientific community and academia supports evolutionary theory as the only explanation that can fully account for observations in the fields of biology, paleontology, molecular biology, genetics, anthropology, and others.[19][20][21][22][23] One 1987 estimate found that "700 scientists ... (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) ... give credence to creation-science".[24] An expert in the evolution-creationism controversy, professor and author Brian Alters, states that "99.9 percent of scientists accept evolution".[25] A 1991 Gallup poll found that about 5% of American scientists (including those with training outside biology) identified themselves as creationists.[26][27]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

Assumption: deep time

That's a conclusion, not an assumption.

Assumption: live arose from non-living matter

Neither implicit nor necessary for the ToE.

 

[EternalDragon]

Yea, if you look hard enough, you can find them.

The vast majority of the scientific community and academia supports evolutionary theory as the only explanation that can fully account for observations in the fields of biology, paleontology, molecular biology, genetics, anthropology, and others.[19][20][21][22][23] One 1987 estimate found that "700 scientists ... (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) ... give credence to creation-science".[24] An expert in the evolution-creationism controversy, professor and author Brian Alters, states that "99.9 percent of scientists accept evolution".[25] A 1991 Gallup poll found that about 5% of American scientists (including those with training outside biology) identified themselves as creationists.[26][27]

Level of support for evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, depends on what you define as "evolution". I accept evolution as defined as change in variation of a species but do not accept Darwinian Evolution.

 

[bhsmte]

Again, depends on what you define as "evolution". I accept evolution as defined as change in variation of a species but do not accept Darwinian Evolution.

There is only one theory of evolution acknowledged by science.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

Can we observe, test and repeat evolution?

In as far as is required for any scientific theory, yes.

If not it didn't happen.

By that criteria, no miracle has ever happened, and your religion is predicated on fable.

 

[EternalDragon]

In as far as is required for any scientific theory, yes.



By that criteria, no miracle has ever happened, and your religion is predicated on fable.

Unless someone witnessed it and wrote of it, which they did.

 

[EternalDragon]

There is only one theory of evolution acknowledged by science.

I've heard here it is merely change over time in a population. I have also heard it is change from simple to complex. And everything in between.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

I've heard here it is merely change over time in a population. I have also heard it is change from simple to complex. And everything in between.

Neither of which constitute differing theories.

 

[bhsmte]

Unless someone witnessed it and wrote of it, which they did.

If you buy that sort of thing, have at it?

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

Unless someone witnessed it and wrote of it, which they did.

That gets you only one out of the three criteria you listed. You still fall short of your own standard.

And that's only if we pretend that you have a reliable means of discerning which claims of miracle witnessing are actually truthful, which you don't.

 

[lasthero]

There are plenty of actual scientists that have written articles, papers and books against the theory

Let's be realistic, here - 'plenty' is pushing it. Last I checked, your camp was somewhere in the 5% range of scientists, and that's before we start taking out scientists from fields unrelated to biology. Don't pretend like there's some sort of evenly pitched battle going on here.

Regardless, you can find a lot of books, articles, and papers written on homeopathy, holocaust denial, and all manner of quackery. What's your point?

 

[bhsmte]

Let's be realistic, here - 'plenty' is pushing it. Last I checked, your camp was somewhere in the 5% range of scientists, and that's before we start taking out scientists from fields unrelated to biology. Don't pretend like there's some sort of evenly pitched battle going on here.

Regardless, you can find a lot of books, articles, and papers written on homeopathy, holocaust denial, and all manner of quackery. What's your point?

The point is, he has to latch on to something.

 

[lasthero]

Can we observe, test and repeat evolution? If not it didn't happen. It's an assumption.

Yes, you can observe, test, and repeat evolution.

Misconceptions: Evolution is Not Science

Let's try to follow your logic, though - we can't observe, test, and repeat a crime that happened in the past. Do we send people to jail based on assumptions?

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

Let's be realistic, here - 'plenty' is pushing it. Last I checked, your camp was somewhere in the 5% range of scientists, and that's before we start taking out scientists from fields unrelated to biology. Don't pretend like there's some sort of evenly pitched battle going on here.

Regardless, you can find a lot of books, articles, and papers written on homeopathy, holocaust denial, and all manner of quackery. What's your point?

CA111: Scientists reject evolution?

Even in the US, where creationism is most prominent, the number of creationists in relevant scientific fields is so minute, it could barely even be called a fringe.

 

[Aman777]

CA111: Scientists reject evolution?

Even in the US, where creationism is most prominent, the number of creationists in relevant scientific fields is so minute, it could barely even be called a fringe.

Dear Eight Foot Manchild, The reason so many scientists believe the Lie of the ToE is that they have been brain washed since they were children to believe the incomplete theory. Scientists must reject God's Truth in order to fit in with other mistaken scientists. Neither can tell us HOW or WHEN we changed from animal to Human intelligence. God does.

In Love,
Aman

 

[AV1611VET]

Dear Eight Foot Manchild, The reason so many scientists believe the Lie of the ToE is that they have been brain washed since they were children to believe the incomplete theory. Scientists must reject God's Truth in order to fit in with other mistaken scientists. Neither can tell us HOW or WHEN we changed from animal to Human intelligence. God does.

In Love,
Aman

Also, a person will invest a large part of their income learning science; and the Bible says ...

Luke 12:34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

 

[Oafman]

Dear Eight Foot Manchild, The reason so many scientists believe the Lie of the ToE is that they have been brain washed since they were children to believe the incomplete theory. Scientists must reject God's Truth in order to fit in with other mistaken scientists. Neither can tell us HOW or WHEN we changed from animal to Human intelligence. God does.

Yeah it must be scientists who are brainwashed, what with their refusal to ever question anything.

 

[EternalDragon]

Yes, you can observe, test, and repeat evolution.

Misconceptions: Evolution is Not Science

Let's try to follow your logic, though - we can't observe, test, and repeat a crime that happened in the past. Do we send people to jail based on assumptions?

Yes we do. That is one reason to have a jury. They decide the verdict based on whatever evidence is presented.