Some things I say I don't have a good feeling about. This I say I am emphatically against.
FDNY anti-terror plans
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FDNY anti-terror plans
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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
4th Amendment
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FaithLikeARock
Let the human mind loose.
Only in a state of emergency which in effect IS the equivilant of a warrant because they're given the permission of the owner. Police can enter a house with permission of the owner too as far as that goes. They can't just go in like "Hey I'm a fire fighter. I'm just going to search your house now." No.
Unless they intend to set fire to every house they believe has terrorists living in it.
Unless they intend to set fire to every house they believe has terrorists living in it.
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In an apartment building they may need to enter apartments adjacent to where a fire is localized. Even though that apartment may not be ablaze. Should they be reporting their observations that are not related to analyzing the extent of the blaze?
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FaithLikeARock
Let the human mind loose.
No because that is not their job AND it takes the concentration away from their job. Obviously, if on the wall is a dooms day plan, that's something to take in. Obviously, if a guy walks into my store with a gun, it's something to look at. But if they're putting that on the same level or anywhere NEAR the same level as their actual job, then they're not doing their job. Those things are at the back of the mind, not things you should be worrying about.
When I work, of course it's in mind to keep an eye out for shoplifters but I don't sulk around every person and assume the worst of people. It's only if something is REALLY suspicious. And I mean REALLY. Will I miss things sometimes? Even if I were trying I would miss things and I'd be losing customers on top of it. Same goes for this situation.
When I work, of course it's in mind to keep an eye out for shoplifters but I don't sulk around every person and assume the worst of people. It's only if something is REALLY suspicious. And I mean REALLY. Will I miss things sometimes? Even if I were trying I would miss things and I'd be losing customers on top of it. Same goes for this situation.
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StarCannon
Warmaster
If they seriously start doing that, I'd keep a loaded AK47 around to remind them of my 2nd amendment rights...
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Here where I am in upstate NY the code inspector is under the jurisdiction of the fire department, he is a fire department employee. Code inspectors have access to your home in situations that are not in any way related to a fire.
When I say they have no bounds I mean they literally have have no bounds. Electrical work has to be inspected, If you put an addition on it has to be inspected, new garage, new roof yep, has to be inspected. This will never pass the 4th amendment. They should know better.
When I say they have no bounds I mean they literally have have no bounds. Electrical work has to be inspected, If you put an addition on it has to be inspected, new garage, new roof yep, has to be inspected. This will never pass the 4th amendment. They should know better.
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