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dad · May 25, 2009

mpok1519 said:
insane scenarios that are based on research and observation, as opposed to an insivible God, which is, not, insane?

No such thing. No one has researched the state of the future or past. They just proceed as if it were a certain way, the only way we know. Meaningless. As we get down to the foundation of it all, we see that it rests not on any proof at all, observations at all, or anything at all else!

The study of how things work applies to now. Applying now to then is godless guesswork, and nothing but! 100% pure. Uncut. Primo.

dad · May 25, 2009

MoonLancer said:
LOL i got so many warning posts about gods organ. Its a great argument btw. If god made us in his image we look like him in the nude. that begs so many questions to be asked that sadly must be reserved for door to door christains.

I think He is a sexy God. But He is not a physical only being, but a spirit.

You seem to think all Christians are prudes. I think many are likely the hottest, sexiest, savy folks on the planet. They just usually keep it somewhere other than their shirt collar.

mpok1519 · May 25, 2009

yes, you can observe the mechanics of the universe to draw deductive ideas about how the universe moves, works, etc.

Yes, you can observe the past from the present; this is how fossils work, as an example. but most creationists dont believe in fossils, or geologic evidence, etc.

So, stop telling people lies about science when you havn't stepped into a science lab for a very very long time.

Gracchus · May 25, 2009

dad said:
The study of how things work applies to now.

I have pointed this out to you before. All observation is of the past. All events except your own existence take place at some distance from you. It takes finite time, therefore, for information to reach your brain, and more time for it to be processed.
Even the thought, "I think, therefore I am!" is an observation of a past state. Maybe you thought once, but it is certain that you aren't thinking now. Whether you will ever think is problematical.

Applying now to then is godless guesswork, and nothing but! 100% pure. Uncut. Primo.

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Science is about observation and confirmation. God is guesswork and nothing but, 100% pure, uncut, primo.

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dad · May 25, 2009

BananaSlug said:
We've come a long way, baby.

OK. I agree, to get so depraved takes time.

Well then you should have no problem accepting evolution. If we are in God's spiritual image then it doesn't matter where/how our physical image came from. When people argue against evolution, they use the phrase "we were made in his image". This implies that we were made in God's physical image. If God is a spirit then he has no physical image, therefore nullifying the "in his image" argument.
And if God is just a spirit, then human evolution shouldn't matter because it is his spiritual image that is important.

We are basically the same, whether we grew new teeth as needed at one time, or had a stronger body, or bigger head, etc. We are a creation of God, more or less as is. I agree that hyper evolving was a created trait for all creatures, though as well. That is where Darwin and his devotees got totally on the wrong track! They had no clue where it started or stopped, or slowed, etc. Comically clueless, but still a dirty and low down disgusting imaginary road though. They have tried to make animals, beasts of all men.

Well then God must be more than just a spirit. If we are made in God's spiritual image, then where did our physical image come from? Why is our physical image so like that of apes when it could have been anything?

God has eyes, and hands, and arms, and a heart, and mouth, etc! So maybe we also look a lot like He does. In fact I am sure of it, Jesus has a forever body, same one He rose from the dead in!

mpok1519 · May 25, 2009

yes; Dad acts as if its impossible to draw conclusions about the present by observing evidence from the past.

MoonLancer · May 25, 2009

dad said:
...same state only speculation, based onn nothing at all but same state assumptions.

too bad you cant come up with a definition of what a same state is. how a state changes from the next, how prev states were different from this one and what exactly changed from state to state.

What you DO have is a baseless assumption you use to hide from the evidence that your wrong.

MoonLancer · May 25, 2009

dad said:
I think He is a sexy God. But He is not a physical only being, but a spirit.

You seem to think all Christians are prudes.

the ones that keep reporting me sure are. seriously they cant handle an honest debate about visual organs and the image of god.

dad · May 25, 2009

Gracchus said:
dad said:

The study of how things work applies to now.

I have pointed this out to you before. All observation is of the past. All events except your own existence take place at some distance from you. It takes finite time, therefore, for information to reach your brain, and more time for it to be processed.
Even the thought, "I think, therefore I am!" is an observation of a past state. Maybe you thought once, but it is certain that you aren't thinking now. Whether you will ever think is problematical.

Science is about observation and confirmation. God is guesswork and nothing but, 100% pure, uncut, primo.

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Scienvce is therefore limited to where it can observe, of course. God is so unlimited that His works are known well of old. Whole peoples followed Him, and recorded His doings. His works are still known to men, at least those men that try to observe Him, rather than pretending all that is not in a lab cannot exist.

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dad · May 25, 2009

mpok1519 said:
yes, you can observe the mechanics of the universe to draw deductive ideas about how the universe moves, works, etc.

NOT if you are observing the temporal universe and trying to dedcuce things too high for you about the new heavens you know not of! Give unto this state, the things which are this state's.

Yes, you can observe the past from the present; this is how fossils work, as an example. but most creationists dont believe in fossils, or geologic evidence, etc.

So can I!! But that wasn't that long ago, and in no way tells us that the past was a certain state.

So, stop telling people lies about science when you havn't stepped into a science lab for a very very long time.

Stepping into a present knowledge lab can no more help you with the new heaven state of the universe, than stepping on cow dung. Don't blame me for having less smelly shoes.

dad · May 25, 2009

mpok1519 said:
yes; Dad acts as if its impossible to draw conclusions about the present by observing evidence from the past.

No, I can do that too, though. You just can't get your conclusions accepted as fact, since they rest purely on fiction. The fiction of a belief that this temporal state is all there is or was or will be. That is all you got, ain't it ain't nothing that is even a junior player in the creation debate.

mpok1519 · May 25, 2009

wow; you try and come here to have an intellegent discussion, and people argue total bullspit from the level of an eighth grader.

"Oh, heavens invisible, so no, you cant observe it."

but you believe in something you cant observe? Check.

"The past can only tell you things about the past so far, so, whatever information you can get from the past, it doesnt go back forever to the beginning of time, so, for now, lets just stick with the universe in six days theory."

Check.

Creationism isnt a debate; its a lie. THATS the cow dung you refer.

Dad >> you're doing nothing but spreading lies. aka, what the devil does. It is the excrement of life when life's ego eats too much pride.

The observations of the past and present can tell you about both. "I think, therefore I am" IS an observation from the past, about the present. Fossils show us evidence that the same chemical compounds and elements existed back then as they do now. But thats not an observation based upon evidence from the past we observe in the present?

I suggest taking university level classes if you want to know more; but untilthen, you're just spreading more deception.

thats the devil's job. =)

mpok1519 · May 25, 2009

dad said:
No, I can do that too, though. You just can't get your conclusions accepted as fact, since they rest purely on fiction. The fiction of a belief that this temporal state is all there is or was or will be. That is all you got, ain't it ain't nothing that is even a junior player in the creation debate.

You do realize I am way to smart to understand the garbage you're dumping?

Hespera · May 25, 2009

ha, mpok, that dont make you special! Not more than one or two who aint.

MoonLancer · May 25, 2009

dad said:
The study of how things work applies to now. Scienvce is therefore limited to where it can observe, of course. God is so unlimited that His works are known well of old. Whole peoples followed Him, and recorded His doings. His works are still known to men, at least those men that try to observe Him, rather than pretending all that is not in a lab cannot exist.

Moonlancers Journal.

I have followed the tooth fairy to her hideout. It seems she requires calcium to live. Yes, she eats the teeth as sustenance. I can only wonder what horror may came to pass if children do not give her their discarded teeth.

MoonLancer · May 25, 2009

dad said:
No, I can do that too, though. You just can't get your conclusions accepted as fact, since they rest purely on fiction. The fiction of a belief that this temporal state is all there is or was or will be. That is all you got, ain't it ain't nothing that is even a junior player in the creation debate.

apparently you missed this.

too bad you cant come up with a definition of what a same state is. how a state changes from the next, how prev states were different from this one and what exactly changed from state to state.

What you DO have is a baseless assumption you use to hide from the evidence that your wrong.

mpok1519 · May 25, 2009

dad said:
Gracchus said:

dad said:

The study of how things work applies to now. Scienvce is therefore limited to where it can observe, of course. God is so unlimited that His works are known well of old. Whole peoples followed Him, and recorded His doings. His works are still known to men, at least those men that try to observe Him, rather than pretending all that is not in a lab cannot exist.

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or his works are just the rantings and ravings of madmen who're so sick in the head they decided to tell everyone what God spoke to them.

It may be a combination of mental illness, creativity, and hallucinations, perhaps.

His works could just be tales made up by drug addicts, really.

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dad · May 27, 2009

mpok1519 said:
You do realize I am way to smart to understand the garbage you're dumping?

I understand you think you are.

dad · May 27, 2009

mpok1519 said:
dad said:

Gracchus said:

or his works are just the rantings and ravings of madmen who're so sick in the head they decided to tell everyone what God spoke to them.

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Not remotely possible, actually. The bible is time tested. Well documented, and preserved, and scrutinized more than any other book. It stood the test. A madman would have been stoned to death for false prophesy, and blasphemy rather than have his words fulfilled, and verified in many ways.

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dad · May 27, 2009

mpok1519 said:
wow; you try and come here to have an intellegent discussion, and people argue total bullspit from the level of an eighth grader.

"Oh, heavens invisible, so no, you cant observe it."

I can't. Can you?

but you believe in something you cant observe? Check.

Can you observe a same state past or future universe? Do you believe in them? Busted, much?

"The past can only tell you things about the past so far, so, whatever information you can get from the past, it doesnt go back forever to the beginning of time, so, for now, lets just stick with the universe in six days theory."

Check.

Good idea to stick to something that is not wholly without basis. I agree.

Creationism isnt a debate; its a lie. THATS the cow dung you refer.

So, what, you want to wave it away now. Good luck with that. It ain't going anywhere. Ever.

Dad >> you're doing nothing but spreading lies. aka, what the devil does. It is the excrement of life when life's ego eats too much pride.

Demonize your opponent, when all else fails. I see. Desperate, much?

The observations of the past and present can tell you about both. "I think, therefore I am" IS an observation from the past, about the present. Fossils show us evidence that the same chemical compounds and elements existed back then as they do now. But thats not an observation based upon evidence from the past we observe in the present?

Chemicals existed, yes. And things died. Yes. So? Can you name a chemical that proves a certain universe state of the future or past, please! You make claims, you need to show us your evidence for them, as they are in the realm of science!

I suggest taking university level classes if you want to know more; but untilthen, you're just spreading more deception.

thats the devil's job. =)

So, more demonization. As for university that is a measure of anti knowledge! The further one gets submerged in the cesspool of dreams, the less one knows about the spiritual, God, and many basic values of life and love, and even the ability to distinguish right from wrong. University has become a badge of gross ignorance, debauchery, filth, lies, and wickedness.

Even Christians walking on those coals get burned feet.

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