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This is a well known Jewish usage. You see it with Son of David for someone descended from David for instance, as used for Christ and the royal house of Judah. It is also used for descendants of Omri of the Northern kingdom. Jehu is also termed son of Omri in Assyrian texts, though the Bible has him as outside Ahab's dynasty. Many theorise that he might be from a collateral line descended of Omri therefore.
Another good example are the Hasmonaeans. They are termed sons of Hasmon or Mattathias, refering back to Mattathias ben Hashmon who started the Maccabean revolt in the first place, and from whence the Greek term Hasmonaean is derived.

So such a reading is certainly plausible and accords well with known usage in the Second Temple period.
We're talking about Jacob, Levi, Joseph, and the 400 years of enslavement in Egypt. Adam through Abraham is completely irrelevant for all intents and purposes.
 
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We're talking about Jacob, Levi, Joseph, and the 400 years of enslavement in Egypt. Adam through Abraham is completely irrelevant for all intents and purposes.
Yes? The point is that the point of that narrative is not to give dates and state facts. The ancient Hebrews did not have a 'sense of history' as we understand the term. The linear narrative is about a metaphysical covenant and promise to God. So such dates, as they are, are likely chosen symbolically. The times may be true, but they might just as well not be, without doing violence to the point of the text. How do we determine what is meant by 'years' anyway? Calenders change and intercalation was very haphazard in pre-Julian calenders.

It is the same rigmarole sometimes made of Methusaleh, who may or may not have survived the Flood, depending which source text you use, based on his age.

To get back to my example earlier, if you reconstruct a theoretical historic Robin Hood or King Arthur, the stories would give exact times (then he went to Camelot and was defeated at Camlynn at age 40 say), but how this can be translated to a historic timeline, or whether the detail should even be taken as historically valid, is an entirely different matter. At best you'd manage a vague placement (during the reign of King Richard or during the Saxon invasions), but nothing more exact. So quibbling about a few years here or there, that one of the 12 patriarchs should perhaps be alive when enslaved, is a bit besides the point of the narrative. This would be as if debating whether the cloak given to Jesus at the crucifixion was scarlet or purple - the point wasn't the colour, but the implication of suffering Kingship (the colours are anyway both on the red spectrum in Greco-Roman usage, so akin as if we were asking if something were maroon or burgundy).

The numbers don't matter as historic markers. That is not their function and anyway, how are we to affirm them as exact? The LXX, Masoretic text, Samaritan Torah or Old Latin translation often differ as to ages of antediluvian figures, height of Goliath, etc. I don't know if they differ here as well, but wouldn't be surprised if they did. This is trying to make the narrative do something it was never supposed to do (act as a Western-style historic annal), so is more an act of eisegesis in my opinion, than anything else. Useful historic information can be gleaned from the text, sure, but labeling it as a 'contradiction' in its history when rendered on a timescale based on a presumed reign date for Saul, would be akin to complaining the Magna Carta doesn't work well as a rap song.

You've obviously gone through a lot of effort, and I really do not wish to belittle the valiant effort this likely was; but if it doesn't work out, we really have not done damage to the legitimacy of the Bible as an historic source; if it does, we have not supported the Bible as a source either. Even books written as histories have confused or confusing timelines on occasion.
 
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Some believe a complete chronology from creation to present can be made using the Bible. I attempted to make such a chronology, but ran into a problem when I got to Jacob and his twelve sons.

Using the genealogies of Adam and Shem found in the Book of Genesis, it's clear to see that it was 1880 years from Adam to Terah, Abraham's father. According to Gen. 12:4 and Acts 7:4, Terah was 130 when he begat Abram. Abraham was 100 when he begat Isaac (Gen. 21:5), and Isaac was 60 when he begat Jacob (Gen. 25:26). The Bible does not directly say how old Jacob was when he begat Joseph or his brothers, but here is the logic for figuring it out:

Joseph was 30 when he entered the service of Pharaoh (Gen. 41:46). Then there were seven years of plenty (Gen. 41:47), followed by seven years of famine (Gen. 41:54). Jacob was 130 when he went to Egypt (Gen. 47:9). His arrival was the second year of the famine (Gen. 45:6), so Joseph was 39 when Jacob was 130. This means that Jacob was 91 when Rachel gave birth to Joseph. But Leah, Jacob's other wife, already had seven children before Joseph was born (Gen. 30:20–24). Reuben, Jacob's firstborn, was born at least seven years before the birth of Joseph.

Here is a short chronology of Jacob's life:

Jacob's Age Event Lifespan
84 Reuben born to Leah
85 Simeon born to Leah
86 Levi born to Leah........................................................Lived 137 years
87 Judah born to Leah.....................................................Lived 126 years
87 Dan born to Bilhah
88 Naphtali born to Bilhah
88 Gad born to Zilpah
89 Asher born to Zilpah
89 Issachar born to Leah
90 Zebulun born to Leah
91 Dinah born to Leah
91 Joseph born to Rachel.................................................Lived 110 years
108 Joseph sold into Egypt at 17
130 Jacob goes to Egypt:
starts 430 years of Israelites living in Egypt (Ex. 12:40)
147 Jacob dies

Herein lies the problem: pretty much everyone knows King Saul reigned from 1050–1010 BC. According to Acts 13:20, it was about 450 years from the conquest of Canaan until Samuel the Prophet. When you add up the lengths of all the judgeships in the Bible, it comes out to 432 years, but this does not include the judgeships of Samuel, Shamgar (Judg. 3:31), or the elders that judged after Joshua (Judg. 2:7). These three judgeships could easily add up to 18 years. So we're at 1500 BC. The conquest of Canaan took seven years according to the age of Caleb (Deut. 2:7; Deut. 2:14; Josh. 14:10). So we're at 1507 BC. The Israelites wandered in the wilderness for 40 years after the exodus (Num. 32:13). This places the exodus at 1547 BC. The Israelites lived in Egypt 430 years (Ex. 12:40). This puts Jacob in Egypt in 1977 BC. But for 400 years the Israelites were also "strangers in a country not their own and they were enslaved and mistreated there (Gen. 15:13)." So the enslavement began in 1947 BC. Seemingly non-contradictory, right? But wait...

If Levi was 44 when Jacob went to Egypt (130-86=44), he lived another 93 years before he died (137-44=93). If Jacob went to Egypt in 1977 BC, then Levi died in 1884 BC. The enslavement began in 1947 BC, but Exodus 1:6–11 says, "Now Joseph and all his brothers and all that generation died, but the Israelites were exceedingly fruitful; they multiplied greatly, increased in numbers and became so numerous that the land was filled with them. Then a new king, to whom Joseph meant nothing, came to power in Egypt. 'Look,' he said to his people, 'the Israelites have become far too numerous for us. Come, we must deal shrewdly with them or they will become even more numerous and, if war breaks out, will join our enemies, fight against us and leave the country.' So they put slave masters over them to oppress them with forced labor, and they built Pithom and Rameses as store cities for Pharaoh."

So if the enslavement began in 1947 BC, but Levi died in 1884 BC, then not all of Joseph's brothers died before the enslavement. In fact, it is unlikely that any of them died.

Where did I go wrong????
One thing you have to take into account when working through any Biblical timeline is the source. Many, if not all, modern Bibles in the Old Testament are based on the Hebrew Masoretic text. The Hebrew Masoretic text differs from earlier Biblical text, specifically the Septuigant, by several hundred years. I'm not going to get into opinions or theories as to why this occurred, but merely understand that you will run into inconsistencies because of this.
 
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I fail to see how this makes a difference.

Not every culture thinks the same way yours and mine does. You are assuming that the biblical writers understood time, geneologies, etc in the way you do as a modern 21st century Westerner. That is a bias you are forcing upon Scripture.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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It is worth noting that cultures around the ancient world, from Rome to China, acribed great lengths of years to important figures, legendary, mythological, or historical. The most extreme cases can be found in Jainism, where the Tirthankaras are given ages of tends or even hundreds of thousands of years. In China Fu Xi, the first of the Three Sovereigns who Chinese mythology says laid the foundation for Chinese civilization is said to have lived several hundred years. In Greece and Rome Tiresias the seer lived over 600 years.

Longevity tends to be associated with figures considered incredibly important, supernatural, or quasi-divine; it seems to even be associated with divine favor, or being incredibly blessed in life.

Assigning longevity to the ancient Patriarchs is very likely following this same motif. These were great and ancient men of great importance, were were faithful and devout, and they were blessed with incredibly long lifespans. Longevity is, therefore, not about raw numeric "so-and-so happened to live this long" so much as it is indicative of the divine favor these figures curried. Methuselah lived nearly a thousand years, and by implication he was very close to God, a very holy and pious man.

When we consider that for most of human history it was considered fortunate to live into middle age, a long life was considered a blessing. To live into your 60's, 70's, 80's would make such a person quite venerable. It's not hard to imagine how a long life could be seen to be something blessed, and incredibly blessed or favored persons could be ascribed impossibly long lives.

i would argue that the great age of the most ancient patriarchs in the biblical texts, as understood by ancient people, would have been largely important because of what it said about the patriarchs, not in drawing up a chronological accounting of persons and events.

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It is worth noting that cultures around the ancient world, from Rome to China, acribed great lengths of years to important figures, legendary, mythological, or historical. The most extreme cases can be found in Jainism, where the Tirthankaras are given ages of tends or even hundreds of thousands of years. In China Fu Xi, the first of the Three Sovereigns who Chinese mythology says laid the foundation for Chinese civilization is said to have lived several hundred years. In Greece and Rome Tiresias the seer lived over 600 years.

You have made an error here. Tiresias is not claimed to have lived over 600 years. This is a mistake I have seen floating around the internet, because people never check primary sources.

It comes from the Macrobii, a work assumed to be by Lucian, meaning the Long-Lived:

"Likewise Tereisias the seer outlasted six generations, tragedy says: and one may well believe that a man consecrated to the gods, following a simpler diet, lives very long."

Notice he says six generations, not 600 years. Now where that comes from, is from the Saeculum. This is a length of about a 100 years, a specific division of time of the Romans, for the maximum presumed length of a man's life. The idea being, that a person born in the previous Saeculum, would be dead before the next, so every man can only experience one Saecular Games in their lifetime - a religious festival held about every hundred years or so.
So someone at some point read 'six generations' and assumed the maximum a Roman would consider a generation would be a hundred, hence 600 years. It is an erudite, but frankly foolish, mistake.

For the generations don't start after the previous finished, but run concurrently. A son is the next generation after his father. The Romans had a boy set aside the Toga Praetexta at 14, and enter into manhood by donning the Toga Virilis. This would be the next generation in Roman eyes.

For ease of calculation, let's say 20 years for a generation about, so the final generation that is 'outlasted' by Tiresias would start at about 100 years, and enter manhood when Tiresias is 120. If we take a saeculum as the maximum possible length of a generation, then at most, Tiresias is said to be 200 years.

Lucian is likely refering to the Greek plays though, where Tiresias is often used as a sort-of stock seer for Thebes. These are the tragedies he is refering to, often ending with the eradication of the blood-lines, the end of the generations therefore. So Tiresias is said to have outlasted 'six generations': these are the Theban kings Cadmus, then Pentheus, then Laius, then Oedipus, then his sons Eteocles and Polynices, and finally Eteocles' son Laodamas, who dies by the hand of the Epigoni. So if you take the full cycle of plays of Theban history, we are looking at about 120-130 years for Tiresias, outlasting the six generations of the dynasty of Cadmus at Thebes.

The Macrobii does mention people of Seres (likely China) and Chaldeans (Babylonians), living 300 years or more - but these are refering to the claims of longevity made by them. Nestor is also said to 'survive three generations', which of course, does not mean 300 years. No Greek or Roman source claims ridiculously long ages for heroes or such. They have long, but humanly possible, lifespans; or become gods, at which point 'lifespan' becomes moot.
 
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