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So (truthfully wondering as to your response) ... why does Jesus imply otherwise, when He says that many walk the broad path which lead to destruction ... while few walk the path which leads to life ?

If I may interject, I don't think everything Jesus said along those lines was only about the afterlife. There's a lot of destruction people face here on earth. Lots of weeping and gnashing of teeth in the here and now. Lots of people give powerful testimonies of the hellish life they suffered before they came to know Jesus.
 
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So, God doesn't have to live by his own standard of righteousness?

Saint Steven said:
6. Does God ask us to forgive our enemies when He is ultimately not willing to do the same in the end?
God's own standard of righteousnness requires that he be just (diko), and that justice requires penalty for breaking his law.
Being just, he cannot be partial, therefore, all law-breaking (sin) must be punished, with no exceptions, if he is not to be partial.

There is a pardon from that penalty for law-breaking for all who choose to accept it on its terms.
Those who do not accept it, remain guilty of law-breaking and subject to its punishment, determined only by the Lawgiver and Judge.

We are to forgive our enemies for two reasons:
1) God forgave his enemies--us (Romans 5:10), at a much higher price than we will ever pay in forgiving our enemies, and

2) we don't know that they are God's enemies, they may be part of his elect, in which case they will be our own brethren at
some point.
 
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Question 41:

Why didn't God warn Adam and Eve that the consequence for disobeying him would be everlasting torment?
Because that is not true,
everlasting torment is due to rejection of sin's remedy, not due to sin itself.
Scriptures reports no rejections by Adam and Eve of the remedy.
 
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I think that is an Evangelical fallacy. No one chooses to go to hell.
You do if you reject the remedy which prevents you from going to hell for sin.

If I drive over the "bridge out" regardless of the sign warning of such,
I have most definitely "chosen" to be in the bottom of the river.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility?
 
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Everyone is brougt in in Matthew 22:8-10. . .everyone is brought in in both gospels.
Why you pickin' on Matthew?
Don't know where you are getting that.

Matthew reports the same thing as Luke. . .actually Matthew is more inclusive, inviting both "good and bad."
 
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Where is the logic in creating an endless problem for yourself?

That statement doesn't make sense.

God created Satan perfect in his ways in the beginning before he rebelled in coveting God's throne. We learn this in the parables He gave in Ezekiel 28. Where have you been? You're behind in that study.
 
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I think that is an Evangelical fallacy. No one chooses to go to hell.

2 Peter 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

KJV

I guess you missed understanding what Peter said there then.

How could God, not wishing that any soul perish, then cast those who refuse Him into the future lake of fire? It is based on THEIR CHOICE to refuse Him. It's as simple as that, and a no brainer. You just aren't thinking.
 
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Like He said in Nahum 1:9, there won't be rebellion a second time.

Those who love The Father and His Son don't want any rebellious anti-God haters in His future Kingdom, and there won't be. So now, today, is the time for one to make their CHOICE to believe on Jesus Christ, or not. One's fate depends on one's choice.
 
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Why did God create Satan, if he already knew ahead of time all the evil that Satan was going to do?

"Free will" doesn't mean a superficial illusion of freedom of choice and action, but an actual one. Free will best fits scripture, and what is predestined is how we are to be saved, instead of our individual choices.

It would seem pretty clear that angels also have free will, and that would explain why 1/3rd fell.

As to why the influence of the 'enemy' is allowed to continue, that's because God doesn't want people that merely follow His will when it's easy, and that cannot stay faithful over the longer run when challenged by temptations...

He wants those that really believe in Him and will preserve and show they can choose the Good in the long run, as many of us need more time to show here in this mortal place of choice.... (while some would need less time, some will need more time).

So, the 'enemy' serves a purpose -- he will help make us choose -- within a reasonably shorter period of time, just months or decades, instead of thousands of years to choose and show our real long run choice.
 
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Why did God create Satan, if he already knew ahead of time all the evil that Satan was going to do?
Because Satan serves his purpose very well (Romans 9:23).
 
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Because that is not true,
everlasting torment is due to rejection of sin's remedy, not due to sin itself.
Scriptures reports no rejections by Adam and Eve of the remedy.

OK, so where does it say the penalty for rejecting Christ is Hell?
 
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OK, so where does it say the penalty for rejecting Christ is Hell?
John 3:18, John 3:36.

The condemnation of God's wrath is to the eternal lake of fire (Matthew 25:41).
 
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I believe that hell is done and over with and the lake of fire.

I believe that people who do not want anything to do with God they will be put far away from Him - in the Realms of Heaven. (There is the outside of Kingdom) - Those who desire to be with God (will be with God in the Heavenly Jerusalem).

I do not believe that preaching hell fire damnation to others; what Good news it that anyway?

I am going to hell forever and ever and ever because of ?

A person will say I do not want anything to do with God because of that.

What is the truth of the matter is what you have to ask yourself? Study seek and find what the bible has to say.

Check out the information here: The Hell Test

Is Salvation A Deliverance
From Hell or Eternal Death?

By Gary Amirault
 
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OK, so where does it say the penalty for rejecting Christ is Hell?
Those verses that you have referenced, say nothing of the sort.
John 3:18 -- consequences = condemned

John 3:36 -- consequences = God's wrath remains on him

Matthew 25:41 -- judgment is to the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels

God's condemnation, wrath and judgment are all the same thing, to the same place--eternal fire.
 
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If Sin as paid for how can anyone really be held accountable aside from the responsibility of whatever they do?

Are they accountable to God alone? Yes, sure. We all are.

There are people who desire God; and there are people who simple do not care for God and desire nothing to do with Him.

What would the destination of these people be? (Revelation 22) ~ Either with God; or far away from God outside the kingdom.
 
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Most of these questions reveal a pitiful lack of understanding. Like questions an atheist would ask.
 
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