3abn Continued

[Pinkpanther007]

Well it sounds exactly like what someone who knew what censuring involves, should have done, if that was the case.

What evidence do you have that he was just being mean to her, or that he was taking action without any authority or call to??

What evidence do you have that he wasn't just being mean to her, or that he was taking action with any authority or call to? Other than that given him by her exhusband and his associates?

 

[tomatoe]

3ABN is a nfp self supporting ministry, not Microsoft...

But if what you say was true, then wouldn't that make him her ex-employee also??

Excellent point peach. That is exactly what I feel there is an absence of common sense o n the subject of 3abn. All these accusations that are leveled at DS and the ministry somehow leave out the fact that Linda was the VP all those many years. I hardly think if all this stuff was true it just somehow "went over her head" for 20 years.

 

[tomatoe]

What evidence do you have that he wasn't just being mean to her, or that he was taking action with any authority or call to? Other than that given him by her exhusband and his associates?

Being MEAN to her? Please this isn't 1st grade. Again ignore the fact that THE CONFERENCE is the one who places pastors not DANNY SHELTON. Yes yes I know Danny controls the world.

 

[Pinkpanther007]

So, sister, now you incriminate the conference also since they are the ones that offered him the pastorship in Springfield? Not surprising. Also the fact that he was offered that church proves he was not dependant on 3abn to "see what his boss wanted him to see." Actually John L would have been his boss since he was JL's assistant pastor.
The same with John L. He was succesful as a singer and pastor way before 3abn so your "slant" that he is "bought off" so to speak, holds no water.
As far as their live housecall program goes, yes Pastor Stanton has to drive however many hours it takes to get to 3abn a couple of times a month, spend sometime on making the program and then drive back to Springfield. Definitely sounds like that is enough fun for him that he would lie to please Danny. You also refer that this and that program is at Danny's bidding. I believe you know better. There is a program committe that comes up with new ideas for programs and the production manager also has a lot of say in the decisions. Danny would not even be approached unless there was something major in question. How do I know this? I have 2 friends that were directors there. They can answer about anything I want to know on that subject line.
I have read many of your other posts and have come to the conclusion that your claims that Danny Shelton controls the conference, the churches, pastors, board members, church board members, ASI, auditors, accountants, programs, production, the church school, the McNeilus family...etc etc lead me to believe that you must be dillusional or not telling the truth. If you would have stuck to a few individuals or a few situations, I could have more readily believed you. But after so many months of laying the "world" at Danny's feet, you fail in believability. It's like a movie. A few unreal stunts are ok, that maybe could happen. But when 1 guy decks 10 or jumps from a sky scraper and comes up without a scratch, then it becomes totally unrealistic. This seems to be what we have here. You give the man way too much credit by making him responsible for every sin in the denomination. Even President Bush doesn't have that much power.

He who controls the what the people want, controls the people. And the bro aint no sista, tomatoe. You have just shown that YOU are one to make big statements based on false assumptions, As you have proven many times before.

 

[sonshineonme]

What evidence do you have that he wasn't just being mean to her, or that he was taking action with any authority or call to? Other than that given him by her exhusband and his associates?

Excellent point PP007. That is exactly what I feel. There was once a definite absence of common sense on the subject of 3abn and how it is run. Not any more. All these accusations that are leveled at Linda somehow leave out the fact that Dan was the PRESIDENT all those many years and called the shots, brought in the money and had his way. He has not taken his thumb off things. He doesn't need to run the entire state of IL, just a handful of people that might owe him, or need something or just simply believe his lies. That's all it takes.

 

[Pinkpanther007]

The fact remains that within months of Linda's arrival in Springfield, one of DANNY'S employees was sent there by one of DANNY'S associates and he made her removal from any participation in the church, other than attendance, one of his first acts. Coincidence? With the many churches in the NAD that were looking for pastors at the time? People are smarter than that, tomatoe.

 

[Pinkpanther007]

BTW, we have a Tomatoe and a Pickle here. Now all we need are some French peas. LOL!

 

[sonshineonme]

BTW, we have a Tomatoe and a Pickle here. Now all we need are some French peas. LOL!

How bout some creamed peaches on the side and some pretty rose petals sprinkled around the table?

 

[Rosyroi]

This rose would be thrilled to bring the petals
Rosyroi
@}---;---;-----

 

[tomatoe]

Excellent point PP007. That is exactly what I feel. There was once a definite absence of common sense on the subject of 3abn and how it is run. Not any more. All these accusations that are leveled at Linda somehow leave out the fact that Dan was the PRESIDENT all those many years and called the shots, brought in the money and had his way. He has not taken his thumb off things. He doesn't need to run the entire state of IL, just a handful of people that might owe him, or need something or just simply believe his lies. That's all it takes.

Not according to panther or your friend sister. He controls everything and everybody. Go back over the many posts. Any person or organization or church or ministry that went against Linda is because Danny has them in his back pocket. As I said, when the accusations become so unrealistic, they are no longer believable.

 

[truthmagnet]

I agree. At one time 3abn was one of the biggest sellers of satellites in the country. They have said that they keep hundreds of satellites and receivers in stock. And if indeed, they went digital, someone did their homework on the purchasing. That is low cost to change to a new format. Honestly, I can't imagine what a ministry that size would contain as far as inventory, equipment, electronics, books, cd's, dvd's, tshirts, bibles, etc etc. Naturally the more they expanded over the years, the bigger the amount would be.
This is a perfect example of Mr. Pickle just trying to find something as opposed to his spin that he is just revealing truth. He tries to read something into everything that 3abn does.

can we discuss and reason without attacking people?

 

[sonshineonme]

Not according to panther or your friend sister. He controls everything and everybody. Go back over the many posts. Any person or organization or church or ministry that went against Linda is because Danny has them in his back pocket. As I said, when the accusations become so unrealistic, they are no longer believable.

except for one thing tomatoe. they aren't unrealistic.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

That's because I've been at it for 5 years vs. the less than 5 minutes it takes to cut and paste from a web site.

that's anothe jab at me. you've been at it for 5 years and you still miss the issue and are still insecuere about your postion and can't answer any ones questions.

 

[Pinkpanther007]

Mr. Tomatoe

So, sister, now you incriminate the conference also since they are the ones that offered him the pastorship in Springfield? Not surprising. Also the fact that he was offered that church proves he was not dependant on 3abn to "see what his boss wanted him to see." Actually John L would have been his boss since he was JL's assistant pastor.

His Paycheck did not come from Lomacang.

The same with John L. He was succesful as a singer and pastor way before 3abn so your "slant" that he is "bought off" so to speak, holds no water.

Far more successful and well known around the globe as long as Danny keeps him at 3ABN

As far as their live housecall program goes, yes Pastor Stanton has to drive however many hours it takes to get to 3abn a couple of times a month, spend sometime on making the program and then drive back to Springfield. Definitely sounds like that is enough fun for him that he would lie to please Danny.

Same as above.

You also refer that this and that program is at Danny's bidding. I believe you know better. There is a program committe that comes up with new ideas for programs and the production manager also has a lot of say in the decisions. Danny would not even be approached unless there was something major in question. How do I know this? I have 2 friends that were directors there. They can answer about anything I want to know on that subject line.

If Danny said to axe Stanton, Stanton would be axed.

I have read many of your other posts and have come to the conclusion that your claims that Danny Shelton controls the conference, the churches, pastors, board members, church board members, ASI, auditors, accountants, programs, production, the church school, the McNeilus family...etc etc lead me to believe that you must be dillusional or not telling the truth. If you would have stuck to a few individuals or a few situations, I could have more readily believed you. But after so many months of laying the "world" at Danny's feet, you fail in believability. It's like a movie. A few unreal stunts are ok, that maybe could happen. But when 1 guy decks 10 or jumps from a sky scraper and comes up without a scratch, then it becomes totally unrealistic. This seems to be what we have here. You give the man way too much credit by making him responsible for every sin in the denomination. Even President Bush doesn't have that much power.

You say that I am giving Danny credit for all of these things over the past months? I am a sister? LOL! You assumptions show the credibility that you and your ilk have.

 

[truthmagnet]

Actually, tomatoe, they did NOT censure her. They talked about doing it, but they did NOT actualy censure her.

As long as we are on this subject, I might as well tell more of the actual story...
John Stanton was an employee of 3ABN. Very shortly after Linda arrived at the Springfield church, the conference sent him there to take over. One of his first acts was to tell Linda that she would no longer be acting in any roll in the church other than as an attendee. She had been leading song services, and assisting in Sabbath School. He let her know that this would stop immediately. She was also not to do special music anymore. Curious, isn't it?

I believe you are totally correct in everything you just posted, except the "curious isn't it." No it wouldn't be curios at all since PASTOR Stanton had just come from being the assistant pastor at the Thompsonville church so more than likely would have been privy to the evidence of Linda's activities and of course privy to any church board discussions or actions on the matter. He did right by holding up the standards on the information he had.

So you tell me...has..the eagle landed or crashed and burned?

evidence? proof? do we judge and punish without these items?

 

[truthmagnet]

As long as we are on the subject maybe we should mention that John's paycheck came from Linda's exhusband while he was the assitant pastor under the other John, whose paycheck was half from 3ABN and his wife's it totally from 3ABN, and whose home is provided by 3ABN. Maybe we should also mention that John Stanton Knew "the facts" that his employer wanted him to know. Maybe we should mention that the vast majority of the church board were in Danny's employ or had family in his employ, as was the case with the majority of the members of Danny's 3ABN church. Maybe we should mention the TV program that the two Johns are still doing at Danny's pleasure? Maybe we should mention that the Conference president is on Danny's board? Maybe we should mention that the conference president's parents are Danny's representatives?

Would any of these factors have any part in a matter of this nature, mr tomatoe?

YOU GO PANTHER !!!

 

[sonshineonme]

evidence? proof? do we judge and punish without these items?

you betcha! that's EXACTLY what was done here. that's ok...the worst part of it is, when it hits the fan, there will be no going back to fix that one. what's done is done. but hey, lets try to keep it all messy and conveluted and distracted and on petty and stretched and created side issues...because you see, that's their attempt (although it isn't working) to keep the attention off what you have just stated above, and hope it stays tucked back and away somewhere. simple. it was done because that's what the president wanted.

 

[Pinkpanther007]

evidence? proof? do we judge and punish without these items?

People who will get what they want for judging and punishing without these items might judge and punish without them.

 

[Pinkpanther007]

I will quote myself here. "He who controls what the people want, controls the people."

 

[Adventist Dissident]

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