3abn Continued

[Pickle]

IceDragon,

djconklin is a friend of mine, as much a one as Daryl Fawcett. I'm not sure where he stands in all of this, but I have found his research extremely helpful when dealing with questions of plagiarism.

 

[Pickle]

I talked with a CPA I know tonight and he thought the inventory figures on the 990's really looked odd. Does anyone know why 3ABN's inventory jumped from $88 thousand to $1.4 million from 2000 to 2005?

Or why the total cost of machinery and equipment assets jumped $4.5 million, I think in 2003?

 

[truthmagnet]

Mr. Fawcett, perhaps you ought to re-examine your evidence concerning this topic because at the very foundation you speak of is trust in people who are untrustworthy.

The Bible is not "untrustworthy." There is a big difference between accepting what the Bible says with an open mind and accepting what untrustworthy people say. Even their supposed documentation is untrustworthy.

No one wants to argue these points. Just watch and see who starts the next battle. That will give you a clue.

Remember there is always one who starts a battle and one who defends the truth of the matter. The one you want to blame is the one who started this thread in the first place.

Scroll back and see who started this thread. Then you'll have your answer.

that is rediculous.

 

[truthmagnet]

I talked with a CPA I know tonight and he thought the inventory figures on the 990's really looked odd. Does anyone know why 3ABN's inventory jumped from $88 thousand to $1.4 million from 2000 to 2005?

Or why the total cost of machinery and equipment assets jumped $4.5 million, I think in 2003?

could that possibly be when they had to go digital? i don't remember exactly when that was but i know it was expensive.

 

[djconklin]

Does anyone know why 3ABN's inventory jumped from $88 thousand to $1.4 million from 2000 to 2005?

Over 5 years, that's only a quarter a mil a year. For a TV ministry that sounds cheap to me. I'd figure it would be way more expensive than that.

 

[djconklin]

I have found his research extremely helpful when dealing with questions of plagiarism.

That's because I've been at it for 5 years vs. the less than 5 minutes it takes to cut and paste from a web site.

 

[truthmagnet]

Let me make one more analogy; When you are driving your car you have the choice of looking in the rear view mirror to see where you have been and the hazards you have passed, or you may look forward through the windshield to avoid hazards that are still infront of you.
The rear view mirror is only 10% the size of the windshield therefore it would just make sense that we should be looking ahead for hazards at least 90% of the time.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc[/quote]


lol too funny Happy birthday Doc !!

 

[tomatoe]

Just a question I don't know the answer to. Was any church discipline performed on Linda? This should be public record as it would be before the "whole church" if she was unrepentant.

After reading all I can find on these forums, it is my understanding that the Linda's church did take action and censured her. When she sent for her membership to join another church she realized what action had been taken. She then went to another church where they were willing to accept her on proffession of faith. That is my understanding of what happened.

 

[sonshineonme]

After reading all I can find on these forums, it is my understanding that the Linda's church did take action and censured her. When she sent for her membership to join another church she realized what action had been taken. She then went to another church where they were willing to accept her on proffession of faith. That is my understanding of what happened.

Actually, tomatoe, they did NOT censure her. They talked about doing it, but they did NOT actualy censure her.

As long as we are on this subject, I might as well tell more of the actual story...
John Stanton was an employee of 3ABN. Very shortly after Linda arrived at the Springfield church, the conference sent him there to take over. One of his first acts was to tell Linda that she would no longer be acting in any roll in the church other than as an attendee. She had been leading song services, and assisting in Sabbath School. He let her know that this would stop immediately. She was also not to do special music anymore. Curious, isn't it?

Like anyone else in this church, you go where you are loved and wanted. That's where she is now.




So, the eagle has landed?

 

[tomatoe]

Over 5 years, that's only a quarter a mil a year. For a TV ministry that sounds cheap to me. I'd figure it would be way more expensive than that.

I agree. At one time 3abn was one of the biggest sellers of satellites in the country. They have said that they keep hundreds of satellites and receivers in stock. And if indeed, they went digital, someone did their homework on the purchasing. That is low cost to change to a new format. Honestly, I can't imagine what a ministry that size would contain as far as inventory, equipment, electronics, books, cd's, dvd's, tshirts, bibles, etc etc. Naturally the more they expanded over the years, the bigger the amount would be.
This is a perfect example of Mr. Pickle just trying to find something as opposed to his spin that he is just revealing truth. He tries to read something into everything that 3abn does.

 

[tomatoe]

Actually, tomatoe, they did NOT censure her. They talked about doing it, but they did NOT actualy censure her.

So, the eagle has landed?

I believe what you are saying would be a technicality.
Since she didn't proceed with the transfer of membership, she could say technically that she wasn't censured. If she would have went ahead with trying to get the transfer, the matter was already settled that it would be with censure.
Thanks though for pointing that our so I could clarify.

 

[tomatoe]

That's because I've been at it for 5 years vs. the less than 5 minutes it takes to cut and paste from a web site.

Sounds to me like you know what you are doing DJ.

 

[tomatoe]

Actually, tomatoe, they did NOT censure her. They talked about doing it, but they did NOT actualy censure her.

As long as we are on this subject, I might as well tell more of the actual story...
John Stanton was an employee of 3ABN. Very shortly after Linda arrived at the Springfield church, the conference sent him there to take over. One of his first acts was to tell Linda that she would no longer be acting in any roll in the church other than as an attendee. She had been leading song services, and assisting in Sabbath School. He let her know that this would stop immediately. She was also not to do special music anymore. Curious, isn't it?

I believe you are totally correct in everything you just posted, except the "curious isn't it." No it wouldn't be curios at all since PASTOR Stanton had just come from being the assistant pastor at the Thompsonville church so more than likely would have been privy to the evidence of Linda's activities and of course privy to any church board discussions or actions on the matter. He did right by holding up the standards on the information he had.

So you tell me...has..the eagle landed or crashed and burned?

 

[Pinkpanther007]

Actually, tomatoe, they did NOT censure her. They talked about doing it, but they did NOT actualy censure her.

As long as we are on this subject, I might as well tell more of the actual story...
John Stanton was an employee of 3ABN. Very shortly after Linda arrived at the Springfield church, the conference sent him there to take over. One of his first acts was to tell Linda that she would no longer be acting in any roll in the church other than as an attendee. She had been leading song services, and assisting in Sabbath School. He let her know that this would stop immediately. She was also not to do special music anymore. Curious, isn't it?

I believe you are totally correct in everything you just posted, except the "curious isn't it." No it wouldn't be curios at all since PASTOR Stanton had just come from being the assistant pastor at the Thompsonville church so more than likely would have been privy to the evidence of Linda's activities and of course privy to any church board discussions or actions on the matter. He did right by holding up the standards on the information he had.

So you tell me...has..the eagle landed or crashed and burned?

As long as we are on the subject maybe we should mention that John's paycheck came from Linda's exhusband while he was the assitant pastor under the other John, whose paycheck was half from 3ABN and his wife's it totally from 3ABN, and whose home is provided by 3ABN. Maybe we should also mention that John Stanton Knew "the facts" that his employer wanted him to know. Maybe we should mention that the vast majority of the church board were in Danny's employ or had family in his employ, as was the case with the majority of the members of Danny's 3ABN church. Maybe we should mention the TV program that the two Johns are still doing at Danny's pleasure? Maybe we should mention that the Conference president is on Danny's board? Maybe we should mention that the conference president's parents are Danny's representatives?

Would any of these factors have any part in a matter of this nature, mr tomatoe?

 

[Pinkpanther007]

Would seem a little odd to normal people that within a few months of Linda's arrival at Springfield her exhusband's employee arrives and immediately acts to shut her down in light of the above. Don't you think?

 

[Pinkpanther007]

Maybe even........ planned?

 

[sonshineonme]

Maybe even........ planned?

Another one of those coincidences???

 

[Peach45]

Actually, tomatoe, they did NOT censure her. They talked about doing it, but they did NOT actualy censure her.

As long as we are on this subject, I might as well tell more of the actual story...
John Stanton was an employee of 3ABN. Very shortly after Linda arrived at the Springfield church, the conference sent him there to take over. One of his first acts was to tell Linda that she would no longer be acting in any roll in the church other than as an attendee. She had been leading song services, and assisting in Sabbath School. He let her know that this would stop immediately. She was also not to do special music anymore. Curious, isn't it?

Like anyone else in this church, you go where you are loved and wanted. That's where she is now.




So, the eagle has landed?

Well it sounds exactly like what someone who knew what censuring involves, should have done, if that was the case.

What evidence do you have that he was just being mean to her, or that he was taking action without any authority or call to??

 

[tomatoe]

Would seem a little odd to normal people that within a few months of Linda's arrival at Springfield her exhusband's employee arrives and immediately acts to shut her down in light of the above. Don't you think?

So, sister, now you incriminate the conference also since they are the ones that offered him the pastorship in Springfield? Not surprising. Also the fact that he was offered that church proves he was not dependant on 3abn to "see what his boss wanted him to see." Actually John L would have been his boss since he was JL's assistant pastor.
The same with John L. He was succesful as a singer and pastor way before 3abn so your "slant" that he is "bought off" so to speak, holds no water.
As far as their live housecall program goes, yes Pastor Stanton has to drive however many hours it takes to get to 3abn a couple of times a month, spend sometime on making the program and then drive back to Springfield. Definitely sounds like that is enough fun for him that he would lie to please Danny. You also refer that this and that program is at Danny's bidding. I believe you know better. There is a program committe that comes up with new ideas for programs and the production manager also has a lot of say in the decisions. Danny would not even be approached unless there was something major in question. How do I know this? I have 2 friends that were directors there. They can answer about anything I want to know on that subject line.
I have read many of your other posts and have come to the conclusion that your claims that Danny Shelton controls the conference, the churches, pastors, board members, church board members, ASI, auditors, accountants, programs, production, the church school, the McNeilus family...etc etc lead me to believe that you must be dillusional or not telling the truth. If you would have stuck to a few individuals or a few situations, I could have more readily believed you. But after so many months of laying the "world" at Danny's feet, you fail in believability. It's like a movie. A few unreal stunts are ok, that maybe could happen. But when 1 guy decks 10 or jumps from a sky scraper and comes up without a scratch, then it becomes totally unrealistic. This seems to be what we have here. You give the man way too much credit by making him responsible for every sin in the denomination. Even President Bush doesn't have that much power.

 

[Peach45]

Would seem a little odd to normal people that within a few months of Linda's arrival at Springfield her exhusband's employee arrives and immediately acts to shut her down in light of the above. Don't you think?

3ABN is a nfp self supporting ministry, not Microsoft...

But if what you say was true, then wouldn't that make him her ex-employee also??