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No, I sure don't. I haven't seen any documentation that Dryden has or has not reported these allegations to the authorities. I was responding to dclem's statement that he should have turned the information over to the authorities. What dclem said seemed to infer that it hadn't been done.Perhaps you know something I don't. Do you know for a fact that he did not report them?
It's all pretty hush, hush over there, so it might be difficult to find out if it has or not.No, I sure don't. I haven't seen any documentation that Dryden has or has not reported these allegations to the authorities. I was responding to dclem's statement that he should have turned the information over to the authorities. What dclem said seemed to infer that it hadn't been done.
Duane, that would only be for allegations that concerned minors, correct? The ones involving adults would have to be handled in house, correct?
It's all pretty hush, hush over there, so it might be difficult to find out if it has or not.
Interesting, Jim. Do you know how the laws in Virginia read?That depends on the state laws that apply. Some state penal codes read very differently. In Texas and in the case of adults ( 18 years of age and over ) a request for sex could be considered an a simple assault or in the worse case senario leud conduct if it is made to a person of the same sex. The initial charge could be very minor and come with a small fine , the latter carries a lot more kick to it.
God Bless
Jim Larmore
So how would one go about getting paperwork regarding whatever investigations were done or complaints were filed in either Virginia or Illinois?If it was investigated, the documents and reports can be had believe me. Just because charges were not filed does not mean there was or wasn't evidence of anything. Law enforcement agencies like P.D.'s and sheriff's offices are all about filing any charge that they can to bring criminal's to justice. The fact that this has not happened to me indicates a few possibilities.
God Bless
Jim Larmore
Why don't you do the normal thing and ask Johann who told him that, if you want to know where it came from? Then you can tell us...I see that Johann posted something at BSDA about Danny and Walt going to Minneapolis last month to talk to lawyers. Is that true?
If so, how did Johann find out? Who leaked that information? Danny? Walt, Mollie? Some other insider?
No, I sure don't. I haven't seen any documentation that Dryden has or has not reported these allegations to the authorities. I was responding to dclem's statement that he should have turned the information over to the authorities. What dclem said seemed to infer that it hadn't been done.
It's all pretty hush, hush over there, so it might be difficult to find out if it has or not.
Interesting, Jim. Do you know how the laws in Virginia read?
So how would one go about getting paperwork regarding whatever investigations were done or complaints were filed in either Virginia or Illinois?
What does Dryden's allegedly seeking people out after returning to Dunn Loring in 2005 or thereabouts have to do with Tommy's ordination being suspended in 1985?
Tomatoe, there are some facts that we should be able to agree on. But to bring in points that appear diversionary and irrelevant, it's just not helpful.
Can we not agree on the fact that Tommy's ordination was suspended in 1985 while Dryden was nowhere around, and that thus Walt's statement is inaccurate when it blames the allegations on Dryden?
My understanding is that that is not how the allegations in Virginia came to light.
He certainly had a lot of reports from Illinois, didn't he?
Seems to me there was something before Dryden got there, but the details on that haven't been clear to me.
But we should be clear that even if Dryden cooked up everything in Dunn Loring, we still have allegations in Illinois spanning a number of years, totally unrelated to Dryden, with names that are known, and testimony that agrees as to what Tommy would allegedly say to the ones he was trying to victimize.
Plus we also have an eye witness account of a lady that says she caught Tommy in a house with a boy. It wasn't even Tommy's house.
And we also have an eye witness that has Danny in Tommy's presence when an alleged victim and his parents were coming to return a car. Thus we have an eye witness that testifies that Danny knew about the allegations around 1985.
Plus we have a witness who claims that Danny told them that Tommy had approached Danny himself.
Plus we have another relative, a male, that claims that Tommy approached him too.
Given all of this, whatever allegations there are in Dunn Loring are the more credible. And two of those three or four allegations are coming from individuals who were adults at the time.
Given all of this, it is totally inexcusable for Walt to still not have contacted any of the alleged victims to get their side of the story, and then to maintain that he did an adequate investigation. I just can't fathom why he has dealt with this situation this way.
Duane, that would only be for allegations that concerned minors, correct? The ones involving adults would have to be handled in house, correct?
Interesting, Jim. Do you know how the laws in Virginia read?
I don't think Johann knows where the information originally came from because his source won't tell him.Why don't you do the normal thing and ask Johann who told him that, if you want to know where it came from? Then you can tell us...
This has been my point from the beginning. Glenn Dryden has a history of getting in everyone's business. Furthermore, the list of suggested "action items" he wrote up absolutely infuriates me every time I read it. Who is he to make up such a list? He doesn't have a clue what the victims need as far as closure is concerned.
That being said, Tommy Shelton IS guilty of sexual abuse.
Perhaps you know something I don't. Do you know for a fact that he did not report them?
So how would one go about getting paperwork regarding whatever investigations were done or complaints were filed in either Virginia or Illinois?
Why does it matter? Your internet campaign, your insinuations, allegations and your different scenerios have pretty much ruined the man and his family no matter what is really truth and what's not. Just the claims would be enough. So..why do you keep looking? In my opinion, exposing any alleged misdeeds to the world is punishment enough. Why do you keep kicking someone when they are already down and all in the name of christianity.
THat is a good question. Obviously, if he did, the authorities found nothing to substantiate it or we would certainly know about it.
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