3abn Continued

Pickle said:

Jim,

I think a statement like this raises some questions about your credibility. Just recently a CNN newscaster came forward and got a priest convicted. It took him years to come forward, I think close to 20.

After talking to the alleged victims, I kind of have a feel for why it takes so long for these guys to come forward.

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Pickle,

More than Jim's, your credibility is at stake here. When you claim "Dr. Thompson has not contacted the victims, families or the ordaining ministries" you don't seem to have any proof.

Can we contact the victims and the ordaining ministries to find out whether or not they've been contacted? If not, please provide proof that you contacted them to verify that Dr. Thompson did not.

Note, proof that you contacted them to verify this seems to be missing.

Pickle said:

It has been investigated. I did go to him.

• He lied when he said on October 8, 2006, that he had proof that his name was on the title of Linda's car.
• He lied when on Dec. 31, 2006, he attributed Tommy's alleged health problems to his schedule, his traveling, his commutting, and above all, a ferry.
• He lied on Feb. 15, 2007, when he said that ASI was willing to hear any accusations and complaints.

I can't say for sure that he lied when he used the pregnancy test as proof of adultery, since I don't know for sure that he knew that that meant that either Linda thought that she had gotten pregnant over the telephone, or that she couldn't tell after 15 weeks whether she was pregnant or not.

If Danny was the source of Walt's information in his emails of last May and June, then we have evidence for the following:

• Danny lied when he said he paid off Linda's car.
• Danny lied when he said that he paid off Alyssa's car.
• Danny lied when he said that Linda got everything in the house.

And then we have, also on Walt's testimony:

• Danny lied when he said that the child molestation allegations against Tommy were 30 years old.
• Danny lied when he said they were all due to a feud between tommy and Dryden.

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Pickle, please do not do this again. I was specifically asking about this ONE THING with Princessdi. You are muddying up the waters with all your junk. I don't know anything about it and don't want to know until it is the right time. So stop it. This doesn't look well for you Sir.

steffanphilip said:

Pickle,

More than Jim's, your credibility is at stake here. When you claim "Dr. Thompson has not contacted the victims, families or the ordaining ministries" you don't seem to have any proof.

Can we contact the victims and the ordaining ministries to find out whether or not they've been contacted? If not, please provide proof that you contacted them to verify that Dr. Thompson did not.

Note, proof that you contacted them to verify this seems to be missing.

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Also, I asked you to explain the discrepancy of your two statements.
1. Dr. Thompson did not contact the victims, families or ordaining ministries.
2. I can only assume that he did not contact them

How do you explain the discrepancy between statement 1 and 2?

Pickle said:

Jim,

I think a statement like this raises some questions about your credibility. Just recently a CNN newscaster came forward and got a priest convicted. It took him years to come forward, I think close to 20.

After talking to the alleged victims, I kind of have a feel for why it takes so long for these guys to come forward.

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I fully understand why they don't come foward immediately in most cases. I used to investigate these things and they always made me sick to my stomach. As far as the conviction of a 20 year old case of child molestation I'd say you need to check your facts sir. In most states the statutes of limitations run out far sooner than 20 years. Check it out and see if this is not true , also in most of these cases like with the Catholic priests , if you notice it's not criminal convictions that these folks are really after but money. The Catholic church has very deep pockets.

In one case Dr. Thompson told me about a lady who has falsely accused Tommy and wants him to pay for her son's college education now. I have suggested to you that the victims you claim to be valid get together and explore a class action law suit if it is that bad. I have a feeling you may not be as truthful about all of this as you claim. I would certainly be interested in seeing all of them come foward and make these claims themselves instead of relying on your word.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

steffanphilip said:

When you claim "Dr. Thompson has not contacted the victims, families or the ordaining ministries" you don't seem to have any proof.

Can we contact the victims and the ordaining ministries to find out whether or not they've been contacted?

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Sure. You can contact any of them that you want to.

As far as who Walt contacted and who he didn't, we have him in writing on November 27, 2006, that he did not contact any of those parties. He indicated that he only contacted Danny. And then last summer he contacted some unnamed person. That's it.

Anytime someone gives me information that incriminates them rather than exonerates them, I take it that they are probably telling the truth. Do you think it possible that Walt was fibbing when he told me he didn't contact any of the alleged victims? I just can't believe he would fib about a thing like that.

Rosie55 said:

Pickle, please do not do this again.

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It will be my pleasure to try to answer any of the questions you ask any of the posters here, if I can do so.

At your service. And I mean that sincerely.

Jimlarmore said:

In one case Dr. Thompson told me about a lady who has falsely accused Tommy and wants him to pay for her son's college education now.

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Have you seen and talked to the woman? Or did you just take Walt Thompson's word for it?

Has he seen and talked to the woman or is he just taking Danny or Tommy's word for it as he has done in the past?

In His service,
Mr. J

He lied in an email he sent to BSDA. I am not sure about the policies here on posting links to BSDA, however, if you go to BSDA the email is int he "This shoudl not be News.....Continued" thread int eh 3ABN Forum. Also, so you can see our statem of mind regarding this whole situation, I also "bumped" the 'This should Not be News....." thread.( B"umped" both threads so they would be easier to find.

To answer you question about asking Danny directly, we responded directly to his email. To my knowledge, and I may be wrong(I am sure someone will correct me if I am), he never responded. In the beginning, there was no reason to contact him, as we just thought it sad that a ministry team was being destroyed this way, and we were praying fo them both. We become a little "concerned" when we heard the Danny had order all the shows with Linda in them, retaped, and the messages appeared on 3ABN and the website regarding Linda. We still were praying for them both, but at that time, we thought there was a better way Danny and the 3ABN board could have handled the situation. We had no other facts, but expected more from them as christian leaders. We became irritated when Danny came to "tell us off". Danny became suspect when we found out that he had wrote that email,stating he was trying to save his marriage and how much time they spent together, all the while trying to secure a quickie Guam divorce. I had never even watched 3ABN until that point and didn't know who Danny and Linda Shelton were, but that day I lost all respect for Danny, and his actions since have not restored his credibility.

As I said I have bumped up those two threads, and you can easily access them within the 3ABN Forum. Let me know if I can be of any help.

Rosie55 said:

Princessdi, I think your accusation that Danny has lied should be investigated. When you decided he had lied, did you go to him and ask him about it? Where did Danny lie? on BSDA? or perhaps in a post to you? Could you tell it again only with more specifics?

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steffanphilip said:

Also, I asked you to explain the discrepancy of your two statements.
1. Dr. Thompson did not contact the victims, families or ordaining ministries.
2. I can only assume that he did not contact them

How do you explain the discrepancy between statement 1 and 2?

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That's easy. Walt as of November 27, 2006, still had not contacted any of them, by his own admission. Whether he finally did yesterday nor not, or within the last hour, I cannot say.

As of my phone call to Duane earlier today, he still had not talked to Duane. Thus he still, at least in regards to the allegations concerning Duane, had not done his Christian and board chairman duty of investigating the matter. Yet at the same time he maintains that he has done a thorough investigation, and, according to Jim, is willing to comment on the allegations against Tommy by Duane even without talking to Duane.

He thus has demonstrated that he is either incapable or unwilling to properly serve as 3ABN board chairman, and he should either resign or be fired. It's clear and simple.

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Jimlarmore said:

As far as the conviction of a 20 year old case of child molestation I'd say you need to check your facts sir.

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Jim, I think you're having trouble being objective. it looks to me like you are trying to appear objective without being objective. You're not a current employee, board member, or close relative, are you?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/09/roberts.btsc/index.html says, "I became a victim of sexual abuse at the age of 14; the abuse lasted three years. It took me nearly 20 years to gather the strength to help put my abuser behind bars."

Do you think CNN anchor Thomas Roberts had his facts wrong? Do you think the judge and jury that put the priest behind bars had their facts wrong?

Jimlarmore said:

Check it out and see if this is not true , also in most of these cases like with the Catholic priests , if you notice it's not criminal convictions that these folks are really after but money.

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Are you suggesting that Duane, Roger, Greg, Brad, and the son of Mom in Pain #1 are just after money? If that's not what you are insinuating, why did you say this? The only ones I hear making this kind of claim are the ones trying to defend the way the Catholic hierarchy have handled that scandal.

Jimlarmore said:

In one case Dr. Thompson told me about a lady who has falsely accused Tommy and wants him to pay for her son's college education now.

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I have provided you evidence that Walt Thompson doesn't know anything but what third parties have told him. You would have gotten fired if you had investigated like that. Why then are you still citing what he said as if it has to be true when you can provide no evidence that it is?

Princessdi said:

He lied in an email he sent to BSDA. I am not sure about the policies here on posting links to BSDA, however, if you go to BSDA the email is int he "This shoudl not be News.....Continued" thread int eh 3ABN Forum. Also, so you can see our statem of mind regarding this whole situation, I also "bumped" the 'This should Not be News....." thread.( B"umped" both threads so they would be easier to find.

To answer you question about asking Danny directly, we responded directly to his email. To my knowledge, and I may be wrong(I am sure someone will correct me if I am), he never responded. In the beginning, there was no reason to contact him, as we just thought it sad that a ministry team was being destroyed this way, and we were praying fo them both. We become a little "concerned" when we heard the Danny had order all the shows with Linda in them, retaped, and the messages appeared on 3ABN and the website regarding Linda. We still were praying for them both, but at that time, we thought there was a better way Danny and the 3ABN board could have handled the situation. We had no other facts, but expected more from them as christian leaders. We became irritated when Danny came to "tell us off". Danny became suspect when we found out that he had wrote that email,stating he was trying to save his marriage and how much time they spent together, all the while trying to secure a quickie Guam divorce. I had never even watched 3ABN until that point and didn't know who Danny and Linda Shelton were, but that day I lost all respect for Danny, and his actions since have not restored his credibility.

As I said I have bumped up those two threads, and you can easily access them within the 3ABN Forum. Let me know if I can be of any help.

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Thank you Princessdi for making it easy for me to find Danny's letter.

In investigating this, several from 3abn have said that even after the divorce Danny and Linda were friends and did spend a lot of time together. In fact many at 3abn felt Danny shouldn't keep trying to get her back. They were not happy with Linda and what she did but Danny even then was willing to try to work things out.

I believe that when Danny wrote this letter, in his heart, and at that time, he and Linda were trying to patch things up. In Danny's mind the divorce didn't make things final and he still was hoping for a reconciliation.

Obviously at the beginning of the letter, Danny was upset. But that doesn't make his letter a lie. It just makes it rude.

I did not talk to Danny directly but talked to people who did. So this is third-party information. But Princessdi, you can surely phone or email Danny and ask him about the descrepancy there. Let him tell you about it.

You can't blame him for still wanting to try to get back with Linda. He was in love with her and didn't want it to end. I don't know if you've ever experienced rejection but it isn't fun.

Anyway, thanks for making it easy to find the letter.
Rosie55

Rosie55 said:

I believe that when Danny wrote this letter, in his heart, and at that time, he and Linda were trying to patch things up. In Danny's mind the divorce didn't make things final and he still was hoping for a reconciliation.

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I am curious, Rosie, why you are so certain about this. I would hope that this is true, but thus far I couldn't prove it. Why are you so certain?

We definitely have letters by Danny right after the divorce talking about reconciliation, but then we also have long diatribes by him as well. And we are also left with the question of why Danny divorced her at all if he was immediately talking about reconciliation.

But we should make it clear for our readers here that Seventh-day Adventists do not approve of Danny's stated reason for ending the marriage: That Linda hid his gun. Fornication is the only accepted biblical reason for divorce and remarriage, and as of July 17, 2004, one month after the divorce, was final, Danny still didn't know whether Linda had committed fornication.

It is therefore clear that according to Seventh-day Adventist beliefs, Danny Lee Shelton could be subjected to church discipline in the form of either censure or disfellowship for his unbiblical divorcing of Linda because she hid his gun.

Pickle said:

Jim, I think you're having trouble being objective. it looks to me like you are trying to appear objective without being objective. You're not a current employee, board member, or close relative, are you?

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No, I am not an employee or relative. I am a Vo-Tech teacher in Bartlesville Oklahoma. I am an elder in my church at the Nowata Seventh-day-Adventist church in Nowata Oklahoma. I've been teaching for over 20 years before that I was in heavy construction for several years and I have already given you a place to verify my law enforcement experience. Checked it out yet?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/09/roberts.btsc/index.html says, "I became a victim of sexual abuse at the age of 14; the abuse lasted three years. It took me nearly 20 years to gather the strength to help put my abuser behind bars."

Do you think CNN anchor Thomas Roberts had his facts wrong? Do you think the judge and jury that put the priest behind bars had their facts wrong?

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Could be that state has a longer statute of limitations. Most states don't have statutes that run longer than 14 years on this. Jessica's law may be changing that though as we speak.

add on edit: Another thing to consider is that the article said it was 20 years since the abuse started. If you take the time he was last abused to the time the priest was charged with the crime he may have still been under the statutes of limitations time frame.

Are you suggesting that Duane, Roger, Greg, Brad, and the son of Mom in Pain #1 are just after money? If that's not what you are insinuating, why did you say this? The only ones I hear making this kind of claim are the ones trying to defend the way the Catholic hierarchy have handled that scandal.

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It's a natural consequence of the way these things go. If you think that has not entered their minds you are not facing reality. I'm not accusing anyone of anything but I do know how things generally proceed.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Rosie55 said:

Pickle, please do not do this again. I was specifically asking about this ONE THING with Princessdi. You are muddying up the waters with all your junk. I don't know anything about it and don't want to know until it is the right time. So stop it. This doesn't look well for you Sir.

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So, quoting Danny's lies muddies up the water? You don't want to see Danny's lies until the time is right? Stop it? It doesn't look well for someone to qoute Danny's lies? Sounds like you, Rosie, are afraid to see the truth regarding your idol. Is there a graven image before you? Are you afraid to see that your graven image is a false god? Are you loathe to see the lies that Danny has spoken? Are you afraid to see that Steffan's thing about lies applies very much to Danny? Steffan? Do you care to comment on Danny's lies? You seem to be quite obsessed with the exposition of lies. Do Danny's lies count? Steffan? They are all documented. You are so very interested in documented lies. Danny's lies are very solidly documented by Mr. Pickle. They are documented in Danny's own words, and Dr. Thompson's words. There are more Danny lies and evidence of Danny fraud coming soon. stay tuned, Steffan et al. We are aware of the evidence of the fraudulent ahems that is about to be unleashed on Danny et al. We are certain that you, the arbiters of "truth" will enjoy these new items of interest as do we, who have so recently discovered them. Us Indiana Jones type do certainly enjoy the process of digging for the truth. The truth has been found. As in Indiana Jones, some faces will soon be melting.

Jimlarmore said:

It's a natural consequence of the way these things go. If you think that has not entered their minds you are not facing reality. I'm not accusing anyone of anything but I do know how things generally proceed.

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I can assure you that money had nothing to do with Duane, Roger, Brad, and the son of Mom in Pain #1 coming forward. And money had nothing to do with Sherry Avery catching Tommy in that house with that boy when Tommy lied and said the boy was his son when his son was really back at school.

But I can see why things like this sometimes proceed to money. Given all the stonewalling, evasion, accusing the alleged victims of being homosexuals or "consenting" minors, the stubborn, persistent refusal to just simply admit and apologize without any attempts at manipulation, and the inability or the unwillingness of law enforcement to press charges, I can see why alleged victims would resort to civil lawsuits as the only means of seeing justice served.

Pinkpanther007 said:

So, quoting Danny's lies muddies up the water?

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My oh my. Where are all these people coming from?

Rosie, Jim, FHB, Bystander, WWJD, Lee, tomatoe (I'm sure I've repeated some names twice in that list), I think it would be best if you guys have a conference with the chief. You know what Jesus said:

"For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish. Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace" (Lk. 14:28-32).

It's an impossible situation, and there is no way to win. The best course is to send up the white flag and beg for mercy. And I'm sure there will be as much mercy as possible.

"Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison" (Mt 5:25).

Even if there is criminal activity that makes you afraid to lay down your weapons lest that be revealed, looking at the entire situation, it's the best course for all concerned.

If only Chosroes King of Persia had been willing to call it quits after losing to the emperor of the East, but he just wouldn't. He fought to the end until both Persia and Byzantium were exhausted, and that is one reason that has been given historically for the emergence of Islam out of Arabia in the seventh century. No one was strong enough to keep them in Arabia anymore.

I'm sure we could find lots of examples from history like that. And surely if the Jews had been willing to surrender to the Romans in the first century, Jerusalem would never have been destroyed. And if Zedekiah had surrendered to the Babylonians in the sixth century BC, like Jeremiah told him to, Jerusalem would not have been destroyed then either.

Please, have a pow wow and consider these things. And may peace reign!

Pickle said:

I can assure you that money had nothing to do with Duane, Roger, Brad, and the son of Mom in Pain #1 coming forward. And money had nothing to do with Sherry Avery catching Tommy in that house with that boy when Tommy lied and said the boy was his son when his son was really back at school.

But I can see why things like this sometimes proceed to money. Given all the stonewalling, evasion, accusing the alleged victims of being homosexuals or "consenting" minors, the stubborn, persistent refusal to just simply admit and apologize without any attempts at manipulation, and the inability or the unwillingness of law enforcement to press charges, I can see why alleged victims would resort to civil lawsuits as the only means of seeing justice served.

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It' a legal avenue for seeking justice as you say. However, sueing for money on cases like this don't usually wind up adding up to much. Cops hands are tied in many cases to be able to file cases. It all comes down to credible evidence. In this case the DA refused to accept charges on this. DA's won't accept charges on cases they don't think they have a very good chance of winning. It's a waste of tax payer's money. Did any of the other victims try to file charges?

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Pickle said:

Sure. You can contact any of them that you want to.

As far as who Walt contacted and who he didn't, we have him in writing on November 27, 2006, that he did not contact any of those parties. He indicated that he only contacted Danny. And then last summer he contacted some unnamed person. That's it.

Anytime someone gives me information that incriminates them rather than exonerates them, I take it that they are probably telling the truth. Do you think it possible that Walt was fibbing when he told me he didn't contact any of the alleged victims? I just can't believe he would fib about a thing like that.

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Thank you. But there seem to be certain points that need clarifying so I'll get on with them....

1. May I please have the names and addresses/phone numbers of those you contacted? a. The victims b. Their families c. The two ordaining ministries?

2. Have you been in contact with the above 3 groups ? Do you remember who you talked to and when you talked to them? If you had any written/email communication with the above three, please share them - in their entirety.

3. Do you have the exact communication that Dr.Thompson had with you? If it is an email, please provide the entire, unedited message without any of your comments interspersed.

4. If Dr. Thompson says he did a thorough investigation, I find it hard to believe that it consisted of a. asking Danny b. talking to some unnamed person. In light of his other communications that could not have been altered by you, for example, the very first letter on the 3ABN website and his emails to me, that seems very unlikely. So, once again, the complete, unedited email would be very helpful.

4. I'm not entirely clear about your reasoning about the "Walt was fibbing" part.

First of all, it isn't "Walt" to you and me - it's Dr.Thompson. And the "Dr." attached in front of your name in other forums, I take it, refers to an earned/conferred degree? If so, where and when did you get that Dr.?

Second, without an authenticated email/letter that is beyond a doubt authentic like the court document and the citation in the textbook about Gailon, your interpretation of what Dr. Thompson did is just that - your interpretation. I included the "Linda is lying" legal document earlier. I now include the "Gailon is a convicted embezzler" here. You need to be logged in to Google or gmail in order to see it.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Mi...c1dU&sig=JGoOr2I2RFCNA1bYmzIAEDlJw2E#PPA29,M1
or http://tinyurl.com/344k6f

5. On to other questions. Now when you say certain members in your church approached you and asked you to investigate... On what basis did they do that? Are you known in some part of the world as an investigator? I'm curious to know how exactly you arrived at your investigator credentials...

6. When you say Danny lied, I assume you have the same documented proof that I have about Linda lying? Or at least some published text that documents crimes in the way Gailon's have been? What criteria would you use for your standard of proof?

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Are you suggesting that Duane, Roger, Greg, Brad, and the son of Mom in Pain #1 are just after money? If that's not what you are insinuating, why did you say this? The only ones I hear making this kind of claim are the ones trying to defend the way the Catholic hierarchy have handled that scandal.
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It's a natural consequence of the way these things go. If you think that has not entered their minds you are not facing reality. I'm not accusing anyone of anything but I do know how things generally proceed.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

now jim this is just absolutely wrong for you to say. even if you were an expert in this field, which you are not, you have no right to make that assumption. from what i've read of your post on this subject, you don't have any understanding of what these victims feel or go through at all. money is not the issue. and you cannot assume that getting money goes through everyone's mind that has been a victim of abuse. that statement is just plain ignorant, repulsive and irresponsible.