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Someone mentioned numerology.....At the end of the day, that is their opinion and they can stick to it. I am really not going to debate it, you either see it or you don't....:)

Numerology is not someone's opinion though. It does exist and it is connected with the occult. I'm sure God can use numbers - like Father Rick said, some of them had significance in the Bible. But he has given us his Spirit, his Son, his word and other believers and speaks through these, and other, things. Speaking through numbers is a bit cryptic, and leaves it open to misinterpretation. People would then also get so fixed on the meaning and mystical power of the number, they'd look at that and not at God.
 
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Numerology is not someone's opinion though. It does exist and it is connected with the occult. I'm sure God can use numbers - like Father Rick said, some of them had significance in the Bible. But he has given us his Spirit, his Son, his word and other believers and speaks through these, and other, things. Speaking through numbers is a bit cryptic, and leaves it open to misinterpretation. People would then also get so fixed on the meaning and mystical power of the number, they'd look at that and not at God.

It is their opinion to assume that just because we mentioned numbers that it means something of the occult. I have been walking with God a while now, and I know the difference.

You know the internet is used for trash and the occult as well, does that mean all of us should not be on it then. God uses it too doesn't he?...and that can be applied to just about anything you can think of in this world.

The same thing with numbers. Everything God created he uses for his Glory.:) So, people can accept it or not. That is the bottom line, he just does not reveal it to everyone..If you can't trust him to to give you 1,000 dollars on time...You can't believe him for a million......
This is the same concept........trust me.....:)
 
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"All Christians should avoid the WWW. ( World Wide Web ). Demonic influences are rampant in it, so God must not be able to still use it for his Glory......." ( This is an example )

Legalism is why many can't see past their own personal prejudices and they limit what God can do to and through them for his ultimate Glory.:)

Most of the rules and suggestions that people live by come from man, not God.
 
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It is their opinion to assume that just because we mentioned numbers that it means something of the occult. I have been walking with God a while now, and I know the difference.

Well I don't know about anyone else but I didn't say that. I said that it sounds like numerology, which I think is a bit dodgy. Someone else then said that numerology is connected with the occult.
That doesn't mean that we were saying that because the OP mentioned numbers they are into numerology. But then again, they could be going that way without even realising it.

You know the internet is used for trash and the occult as well, does that mean all of us should not be on it then. God uses it too doesn't he?...and that can be applied to just about anything you can think of in this world.

Well of course it doesn't mean that we shouldn't be on it, and of course God uses it. The internet is a tool, a method of communication. We can use it to communicate and have fellowship with other Christians, give prayer support, link to church services, post Bible verses and teaching and encourage each other in the faith. We can be in touch with Christians we might never meet and read the works, teachings and sermons of great Christians and preachers.
Other people use this method of communication to promote their own beliefs, fantasies and desires. And in some cases they may be violent, pornographic or anti christian beliefs.

Anything good that gets invented also gets distorted or perverted by some people. And anything that God does, the devil tries to counterfeit.

The same thing with numbers. Everything God created he uses for his Glory.:)

He can use it for his glory, but he may not always do so. He used a star to lead the Magi to Jesus. They were astrologers, or astonomers, and used to looking in the sky for signs; so God gave them a sign and it led them to his Son. That does not mean that God condones astrology - he used the star because the Magi were stargazers. The Jews weren't, they had God's word for guidance, so when Herod asked where the Messiah was to be born, they looked it up in the Scriptures. (Matthew 2:3-6)
If a non Christian was a mathematician or accountant and God wanted to get their attention, he'd use numbers. That doesn't mean that numbers are his preferred, or chief, method of communication. If he uses them, he uses them just like we use the internet, to communicate.

As I also said, I, personally, do not see what he can possibly communicate through numbers that he hasn't already plainly said in his word, or through his Son. It's too cryptic and open to misinterpretation. If God wants to talk to you, or anyone here, he can do it far more directly that by having certain numbers keep appearing on a clock, or whatever. He could certainly direct you to his word, and his Son, by having certain Scriptures pop up everywhere, but not random numbers that could mean anything. The signs that God gives point to Jesus.

If you can't trust him to to give you 1,000 dollars on time...You can't believe him for a million......
This is the same concept........trust me.....:)

I don't know what you're saying here . :confused:
If we can trust God in small things, we can trust him in big things too, but that's got nothing to do with numbers.
 
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If you take 327 and multiply it by itself, then divide it by itself, then add 100, then subtract 50, then subtract fifty again you have (gasp!) 327.

Amazing how numerology works, isn’t it.

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If you take 327 and multiply it by itself, then divide it by itself, then add 100, then subtract 50, then subtract fifty again you have (gasp!) 327.

Amazing how numerology works, isn’t it.

LOL :D
 
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Someone mentioned numerology.....At the end of the day, that is their opinion and they can stick to it. I am really not going to debate it, you either see it or you don't....:)

Oh, sorry, thought you were talking to me.

Here's another interesting thing.

Take any number 1-10 and times it by nine.
Add those two numbers together
subtract 4
If A=1 B=2 etc, think of a country that starts with the letter your number would equal
now subtract one and think of another country.




Highlight below:
England and Denmark?
 
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If this thread ever gets to 326 messages, can you all stop posting? :p ^_^
if you take each letter of the alphabet, give it a number 1-26 then take the word C O M P U T E R it = 666

well, i am not about to have to claim that this thread is being highjacked by the mass occurances of number trivia which evidently , of course, is not what 327 is trying to talk about, so we should stay on subject....
I do not believe that what 327 is talking about is numerology in anyway. I think it is how God can use things, people, numbers, colors to give a message. It is something that I have experienced; ie dreams with numbers in them that show me something of what God shows me... so this is MY opinion. Even I know not to claim it as Bible. But I do know that Pharaoh the Great had a dream regarding 7 yrs of famine after 7 years of prosperity. JOSEPH interpretted the dream. the numbers were exact. and they were true to God because they were proven true. So, I would say then, in all cases of dreams and numbers we should look to Christ to dreams and numbers and ask God for correct interpretation to any number within or without a dream...
 
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I do not believe that what 327 is talking about is numerology in anyway. I think it is how God can use things, people, numbers, colors to give a message. It is something that I have experienced; ie dreams with numbers in them that show me something of what God shows me... so this is MY opinion. Even I know not to claim it as Bible. But I do know that Pharaoh the Great had a dream regarding 7 yrs of famine after 7 years of prosperity. JOSEPH interpretted the dream. the numbers were exact. and they were true to God because they were proven true. So, I would say then, in all cases of dreams and numbers we should look to Christ to dreams and numbers and ask God for correct interpretation to any number within or without a dream...

But my question is, what message? The third verse of the twenty-seventh book of the Bible? The third verse of the twenty-seventh book of the NT (ie Revelation)? The twenty-seventh verse of the 3rd book of the Bible (which is Exodus 2v5)? The twenty-seventh verse of the 3rd book of the New testament? (In the UK we'd write that date 27/3).

What about Proverbs 3:27;

"Do not withold good from those who deserve it
when it is in your power to act"

or Lamentations 3:27;

"It is good for man to bare the yoke while he is young"

or Mark 3:27 which is in the middle of a passage about Jesus and Beelzebub and says that no one can enter a strong man's house to rob it unless he first ties up the strong man? Or Romans 3v27 which talks about being made righteous by faith and not by the law. Or the third line of the twenty-seventh hymn in your hymn book, or something completely different?

I just don't think God's that cryptic.
 
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its a simple phenomenon that once you become concious of the number appearing, you begin to look for it and as a result, you see it everywhere, simply because numbers are all around us. You can be sitting next to a clock all day and see multiple times on it all day, but your mind doesn't conciously pick them out until the number that you are looking for pops up, then it appears like.. wow I just looked at the clock for the first time and its this number! but subconciously you were aware of it all the time. Same thing with other sources, you probably see hundreds of numbers as you drive around, or watch TV, but your mind passes over them subconciously because they aren't significant to you.. 327, or 10, or what have you, has become significant to your mind, so that one your mind points out while passing on the rest.

A friend of mine has the same thing with the number 11.

Its not just numbers that this happens with but it can happen with any pattern, or even ideas, words etc.
 
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But my question is, what message? The third verse of the twenty-seventh book of the Bible? The third verse of the twenty-seventh book of the NT (ie Revelation)? The twenty-seventh verse of the 3rd book of the Bible (which is Exodus 2v5)? The twenty-seventh verse of the 3rd book of the New testament? (In the UK we'd write that date 27/3).

What about Proverbs 3:27;

"Do not withold good from those who deserve it
when it is in your power to act"

or Lamentations 3:27;

"It is good for man to bare the yoke while he is young"

or Mark 3:27 which is in the middle of a passage about Jesus and Beelzebub and says that no one can enter a strong man's house to rob it unless he first ties up the strong man? Or Romans 3v27 which talks about being made righteous by faith and not by the law. Or the third line of the twenty-seventh hymn in your hymn book, or something completely different?

I just don't think God's that cryptic.
God is not cryptic but he does say in 2 timothy 2:15 is to study to shew thyself approved. so therefore, with prayer and discernment you can know what God wants and where he wants you to go.
 
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i don't think that was very nice...there is always a way to say something or disagree without being nasty.
let's be kind to one another. and no, the post was not addressed to me, but it still hurt.
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I wasnt trying to be nasty - ideas of reference are a symptom of psychotic disorder in the American Psychiatric Associations DSM Classification for Mental Disorders
 
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I wasnt trying to be nasty - ideas of reference are a symptom of psychotic disorder in the American Psychiatric Associations DSM Classification for Mental Disorders
(i wonder how many of us actually have more symptoms than we care than to check out) and i wonder if David, saul or nebukinezar -sp- had the problem too. and lets not even think about Noah spending over a hundred years building a boat where it had never rained... hmmm...
 
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God is not cryptic but he does say in 2 timothy 2:15 is to study to shew thyself approved. so therefore, with prayer and discernment you can know what God wants and where he wants you to go.

He is being cryptic if he just says "327" all the time without any indication of what it refers to.
 
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God is not cryptic but he does say in 2 timothy 2:15 is to study to shew thyself approved. so therefore, with prayer and discernment you can know what God wants and where he wants you to go.
Huh?


You contradict yourself here...

You're right, God is not cryptic... which is WHY He says to study to show yourself approved.

What are we to study? His Word... which lays out His truth in a simple straightforward manner. Not "hidden" meanings that only the "spiritual" can figure out. Such is actually the very definition of "occult" (which means "hidden").

Yes, scripture (particularly) the OT is full of types and shadows-- yet those are clearly fulfilled in Christ, and the NT authors clearly explain such. Unfortunately, it is an all too effective tool of the enemy to get people to spend their time trying to find something "secret" that proves how "spiritual" they are instead of just being obedient to the plain meaning of scripture.

Throughout Church history, these same issues keep popping up... basically a regurgitation of gnosticism from the first century Church, which the NT authors refuted repeatedly.
 
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I wasnt trying to be nasty - ideas of reference are a symptom of psychotic disorder in the American Psychiatric Associations DSM Classification for Mental Disorders
that is true, but just because a person believes that something does not mean that they are psychotic. it's mean.
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