claninja
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Your confused is akin to that of the Premils.
This demonstrates your misunderstanding of my position. My position involves interpreting revelation through the lens of the gospels. This would be opposite of premil.
While Satan has movement today, he is still restrained by divine chains which prevent him from curtailing the Gospel spread. For 2000 years the Church has invaded the darkened nations and Satan is powerless to stop that.
I don't disagree.
Most theologians rightly connect the beast to both antichrist and the mystery of iniquity. 2 Thessalonians 2:7 shows a release of the mystery of iniquity before Christ’s return: “he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed.” Whenever God is ready, the restrainer will step back; that is, the Holy Spirit will be taken out of the way (2 Thessalonians 2:7). Then, says Paul, the lawless one will be given full power to deceive them that perish.
With the last throw of the dice the whole kingdom of darkness is eliminated. We learn when his demise comes: “whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming” (2 Thessalonians 2:7).
This man of sin what being restained in the 1st century. Do you believe the man of sin to be a person or spiritual entity?
2 thessalonian 2:6-7 And you know what is now restraining him, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way.
Since the first Advent, Satan is shown to be a loser.
Matthew 12:22-29, Mark 3:11, 23-27, Luke 10:18-19, Luke 11:20-22, Colossians 2:13-15, Hebrews 2:14-15, I John 3:8, Revelation 9:1-11 and Revelation 20:2 depict Satan as bound, defeated, incapacitated, immobilized, divested of power, disarmed, brought to naught, undone, stripped and spiritually imprisoned through Christ's sinless life, atoning death and triumphant resurrection. As a result of this, John 12:31-33 and Revelation 12:9-13 shows Satan being banished from heaven, along with his demonic angels.
I don't disagree. My posts above have show agreement with this.
Satan and his minions are seen restrained in the abyss in 2 Peter 2:4, Jude v 6
There is no mention of a release of these angels prior to the day of judgment in the gospels or epistles. The angels that sinned are held in chains for judgment.
Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not stay within their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling—these He has kept in eternal chains under darkness, bound for judgment on that great day.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them deep into hell,a placing them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment
What scripture from the gospels and/or epistles state that satan and his angels are bound in chains in darkness and will be released in the last days?
So far I cannot find any that to support your position.
I can only find scriptures from the gospels and epistles that mention the following:
From the gospels and epistles, we know that Satan was to be cast out of heaven at Christ's ascension ( John 12:30-32), that satan would then be coming (John 14:30), that no one, not even satan could accuse the elect because of Christ (romans 8:33-34), that satan and his offspring were persecuting/waging war against the body of Christ (1 thessalonians 2:14-18, 2 corinthians 11:14, 2 timothy 2:26, 1 peter 5:8, 1 john 3:10, Revelation 2:13), and that those in Christ are able to resist the schemes of satan ( James 4:7, ephesians 4:27, ephesians 6:11), and that satan was soon to be crushed (romans 16:20).
Therefore my understanding of the parabolic nature of revelation 20 is based on the scripture presented in the gospels and epistles.
Satan and his emissaries have not been rendered immobile or inoperative but are limited in their power, control and influence. Satan is like a dog on a chain. He is shackled. Get close to him and he will hurt. Many have opened themselves up to Satan and got hurt. The Church defeats Satan by invading his territory with the light of the Gospel and exercising our delegated power in subjugating devils through the power of the Holy Ghost and by the exercise of faith.
No disagreement.
Satan is released from the abyss near the end in Revelation 20:7. The release of Satan at the end from the abyss restriction (Revelation 9:1-11 and Revelation 20:7) corresponds with the beast also rising from the abyss (Revelation 11:7 and Revelation 17:8) and also the many fallen angels (Revelation 9:1-11). This reinforces that this all relates to a period before the second coming.
Again, please provide scripture from the gospels and/or epistles that demonstrate that your interpretation of the parabolic language of revelation is the correct view. This is what I have been asking for, but you have yet provide anything.
Daniel 7:9-11 and Revelation 19:19-20 also confirm the beast is eliminated at the second coming. Isaiah 26:19-21:1 and Revelation 20:10–14 show that this is the time where Satan is finally destroyed.
It's important to notice the difference in the vision and its interpretation. In the vision, the 4th beast is slain and thrown into the fire.
Daniel 7:11 hen I kept watching because of the arrogant words the horn was speaking. As I continued to watch, the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire.
However, the vision as interpreted by the angel demonstrates that it is the little horn that is destroyed.
Daniel 7:24-26 After them another king, different from the earlier ones, will rise and subdue three kings. He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time. But the court will convene, and his dominion will be taken away and completely destroyed forever.
In the interpretation as provided by the angel, there is no mention of the destruction of the 4th kingdom, Only the little horn that arises during the 4th kingdom. The simplistic interpretation of the vision is that there would be 4 earthly kingdoms, but the saints would inherit the kingdom of God forever. My suggestion would be to stick with the interpretation provided, and not add anything to it that isn't explained by the angel.
Daniel 7:17-18 ‘These four great beasts are four kings who will arise from the earth. But the saints of the Most High will receive the kingdom and possess it forever—yes, forever and ever.’
Now your position on the 2nd half of revelation 19 appears to believe it refers to the 2nd coming. I am in disagreement with this position. I believe the beast and kings of the earth gathering to make war on the lamb refers to the cross due other writings in the NT:
Revelation 19:19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered together to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army.
Acts 4:26-27 ‘Why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the Lord and against His Anointed One.’ In fact, this is the very city where Herod and Pontius Pilate conspired with the Gentiles and the people of Israel against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed.
colossians 2:15 and having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
Therefore, based on using other scripture to help interpret the symbolic language of revelation, I believe the kings of the earth and rulers that gather together against, refers to Herod, Pilate, the gentiles, and people of Israel, under the influence of satan, but as predestined by God, in their crucifying Christ. This ultimately led to the resurrection, ascension, and triumphant victory of Christ, and dealt a blow to the powers and authorities influenced by satan.
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