2 Samuel 7:12-16

[Humble_Disciple]

I was reading 2 Samuel 7:12-16, where God promises David that the Christ would come from his seed, and then a giant spider came walking next to my Bible. I then killed the spider with a shoe and said "Get behind me Satan, you will never rule me."

2 Samuel 7
12 “When your days are fulfilled and you rest with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who will come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his Father, and he shall be My son. If he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the [d]blows of the sons of men. 15 But My mercy shall not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 And your house and your kingdom shall be established forever before [e]you. Your throne shall be established forever.”

Hebrews 1:5
"For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?"

I believe that 2 Samuel 7:12-16 is a good example of what can be called a “double prophecy.” I assume that David and his son Solomon interpreted this as a prophecy concerning Solomon and his male successors. And they would be correct in this interpretation! However, from the New Testament perspective, this is a messianic prophecy. The Messiah is the “Son of David” (Matthew 1:1, Jeremiah 23:5, Jeremiah 30:9, Ezekiel 34:22-23) and the “Branch of Jesse.” (Isaiah 11:1-2). Any person who is saved and in whom the Holy Spirit dwells is a fulfillment of this prophecy. The Church is a fulfillment of this prophecy. The messianic office held by Jesus is a fulfillment of this promise. But…. It is also Solomon. In a sense, as king and as God’s representative on earth, Solomon was God’s son (small s) as was David. However, I believe that the chief purpose of this statement that he will be God’s son is messianic. The promise that the kingdom of David will endure forever is clearly Messianic, as is shown by history, because Zedekiah was the last physical son of David to occupy the throne, and as is further demonstrated by other uses of this phrase, such as in Daniel 2:44 and Daniel 7:27. What I call “double prophecy” can be confusing at first, but there are many examples of this, both in the New and the Old Testament. The promises to Abraham are double prophecies, the abomination of desolation in Daniel 11 is a double prophecy, the prophecies in Ezekiel 34:11-31 and Ezekiel 36:24-38 and Ezekiel 39:25-29 are all prophecies with application both in the near term and in the Messianic age.
Does 2 Samuel 7:12-16 refer to Solomon? Is Solomon called the son of God anywhere else? – Evidence for Christianity

 

[Minister Monardo]

I was reading 2 Samuel 7:12-16, where God promises David that the Christ would come from his seed,

Isaiah 55:4 Incline your ear, and come to Me.
Hear, and your soul shall live;
And I will make an everlasting covenant with you—
The sure mercies of David.

This is our covenant through David
Acts 13:
33 God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that He has raised up Jesus.
As it is also written in the second Psalm:
You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
34 And that He raised Him from the dead, no more to return to corruption,
He has spoken thus:
I will give you the sure mercies of David.
2 Samuel 7:
14 I will be his Father, and he shall be My son. If he commits iniquity,
I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men.
15 But My mercy shall not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom
I removed from before you.
16 And your house and your kingdom shall be established forever before you.
Your throne shall be established forever.

Hebrews 12:
5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:
My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.
7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son
is there whom a father does not chasten?

 

[Marc Munday]

I was reading 2 Samuel 7:12-16, where God promises David that the Christ would come from his seed, and then a giant spider came walking next to my Bible. I then killed the spider with a shoe and said "Get behind me Satan, you will never rule me."

The moment you killed the spider instead of putting it outside you let satan rule over you.

 

[Cormack]

Perfect love casts out fear, don’t fear those spiders my dudes!

 

[Minister Monardo]

Let us attend to the weightier matters.

Matthew 23:
23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint
and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law:
justice and mercy and faith.
These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

 

[Humble_Disciple]

Let us attend to the weightier matters.

Matthew 23:
23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint
and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law:
justice and mercy and faith.
These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

I kept on reading, and then I started crying when David had Uriah the Hittite killed, just because he couldn't controlled his own lusts.

I thought, "What is wrong with you, David! God just promised that the Messiah, the King of the Universe, will come from your seed and rule forever, and you just care about sex?"

I was then relieved when I read 2 Samuel 12:13.

So David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” And Nathan said to David, “The LORD also has put away your sin; you shall not die.

We are not any more deserving of God's forgiveness than David was, and yet He shows us mercy. And if anyone has a problem with a grown man crying, David wept and so did Jesus.

 

[Minister Monardo]

I kept on reading, and then I started crying when David had Uriah the Hittite killed, just because he couldn't controlled my own lusts.

I thought, "What is wrong with you, David! God just promised that the Messiah, the King of the Universe, will come from your seed and rule forever, and you just care about sex?"

I was then relieved when I read 2 Samuel 12:13.


We are not any more deserving of God's forgiveness than David was, and yet He shows us mercy.

Psalm 136:
1 Oh, give thanks to the Lord, for He is good!
For His mercy endures forever.
2 Oh, give thanks to the God of gods!
For His mercy endures forever.
3 Oh, give thanks to the Lord of lords!
For His mercy endures forever:
4 To Him who alone does great wonders,
For His mercy endures forever.

 

[Humble_Disciple]

The moment you killed the spider instead of putting it outside you let satan rule over you.

I wonder what Luther would have done if, when he was in hiding as he translated the Bible into German, a spider crawled right next to him. When I read the Bible alone at night, I sometimes feel like Luther when he threw the ink well at the Devil.

 

[Humble_Disciple]

Just as Ahithophel hung himself for betraying King David, Judas hung himself for betraying Jesus.
Ahitophel - Wikipedia

 

[Humble_Disciple]

Here's something interesting:

Seven sons of Saul were killed (2 Samuel 21:6-9), hanged in public. Why? King Saul had tried to exterminate the tribe of the Gibeonites who had a covenant with the Israelites to live in peace with them. Saul broke this covenant that was made in the name of Jahweh, the God of Israel. David being king after Saul received a delegation of Gibeonites and asked what satisfaction was demanded by them. They asked for the lives of seven sons of Saul, who had certainly been partakers in the crimes against the Gibeonites. We can be sure that these sons of Saul were killed for their own sins.
Are we punished for the sins of others? | Contradicting

My translation, the NJPS Tanakh, says that the sons of Saul were impaled rather than hanged, and "impale" is the translators' chosen word elsewhere in the Tanakh where Christian translations of the Old Testament often say "hang" or "hanged."

This is the NJPS Tanakh's translation of Deuteronomy 21:23. -

If a man is guilty of a capital offense and is put to death, and you impale him on a stake, you must not let his corpse remain on the stake overnight, but must bury him the same day. For an impaled body is an affront to God: you shall not defile the land that the LORD your God is giving you to possess.
Deuteronomy 21:23