2 Peter 3

[Kenneth Redden]

Can we start a thread regarding 2 Peter 3?

 

[Extraneous]

I was meditating on the day of the Lord just now, i see its mentioned in 2 Peter 3=

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


I see something forming in my understanding, i think. These are the scriptures i was meditating on:

Mathew 6:19 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Mathew 24:43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Mathew 6:22 “The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

Mathew 24:45 “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’[g] 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Isaiah 29:9 Pause and wonder!
Blind yourselves and be blind!
They are drunk, but not with wine;
They stagger, but not with intoxicating drink.
10 For the Lord has poured out on you
The spirit of deep sleep,
And has closed your eyes, namely, the prophets;
And He has covered your heads, namely, the seers.


Revelation 19:9 Then he said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’” And he said to me, “These are the true sayings of God.” 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

 

[Extraneous]

Now that i see 2 Peter 3, even more comes to light. Thank you.



Mathew 6:19 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Isaiah 50:9 Surely the Lord God will help Me;
Who is he who will condemn Me?
Indeed they will all grow old like a garment;
The moth will eat them up.

Isaiah 51:6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
And look on the earth beneath.
For the heavens will vanish away like smoke,
The earth will grow old like a garment,

“Listen to Me, you who know righteousness,
You people in whose heart is My law:
Do not fear the reproach of men,
Nor be afraid of their insults.
8 For the moth will eat them up like a garment,
And the worm will eat them like wool;

 

[Kenneth Redden]

This is my understanding of 2 Peter: The phrase, “Knowing this first,” from everlasting in 2 Peter 1:20, leads us to, “Knowing this first,” on the first day in 2 Peter 3:3. In 2 Peter 3:6, the doublet speaks of the second day, but from the third day. In verse eight he turns to us of the fourth day and explains the fifth day and sixth day; “lusts,” is our plural reference.

To be an image of Genesis 1, we should have six "days" in the chapter. The first day may be referenced by, “days,” in 2 Peter 3:3; the second day may be referenced by the second, “day,” in verse seven. The third and fourth day may be referenced by the third and fourth, “day,” in verse eight, where we; the “beloved,” are told of the fifth and sixth day. The fifth and sixth, “day,” can be found in verses ten and twelve, "days" is our plural reference.

In 2 Peter 3:3, he begins the doublet speaking to those with him there. “They,” of the third day, hear about the second day in verse six. In verse eight he directs his attention to us, “beloved,” on the fourth day here in the Twenty-first Century. From the third day, speaking of, “To day,” the last fourth day; he says the fifth day will last a thousand years and the sixth day will be one day, a thousand years long. This, as related in Revelation 20:1-7, which is part of the doublet beginning Revelation six; “conquering, and to conquer,” is the plural reference.

 

[Extraneous]

This is my understanding of 2 Peter: The phrase, “Knowing this first,” from everlasting, in 2 Peter 1:20, leads us to, “Knowing this first,” on the first day in 2 Peter 3:3. In 2 Peter 3:6, the doublet speaks of the second day, but from the third day. In verse eight he turns to us of the fourth day and explains the fifth day and sixth day; “lusts,” is our plural reference.

To be an image of Genesis 1, we should have six "days" in the chapter. The first day may be referenced by, “days,” in 2 Peter 3:3; the second day may be referenced by the second, “day,” in verse seven. The third and fourth day may be referenced by the third and fourth, “day,” in verse eight; where we, the “beloved,” are told of the fifth and sixth day. The fifth and sixth, “day,” can be found in verses ten and twelve, "days" is our plural reference.

In 2 Peter 3:3, he begins the doublet speaking to those with him there. “They,” in the third day, hear about the second day, in verse six. In verse eight he directs his attention to us, “beloved,” on the fourth day here in the Twenty-first Century. From the third day, speaking of, “To day,” the last fourth day; he says the fifth day will last a thousand years and the sixth day will be one day, a thousand years long. This, as related in Revelation 20:1-7, which is part of the doublet beginning Revelation six; “conquering, and to conquer,” is the plural reference.

Interesting observation. I cant comment on that, im barely grasping what i think i see in the scripture.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

It seems as though Paul has defined a method of communication between the passages, to bring out more information from the Word of God.

 

[Extraneous]

It seems as though Paul has defined a method of communication between the passages, to bring out more information from the Word of God.

How so?

 

[Kenneth Redden]

For example Paul has used the word pattern, “Knowing this first” in 2 Peter 1:20 to connect the everlasting with the first day in 2 Peter 3:3. This is strengthened by the meaning of, “Knowing this first,” that described the creation, from the beginning.

Hebrews 5:13 uses, “milk”, to bring in Isaiah 28:9-10, which has, “…precept upon precept, line upon line…” to describe the method needed in order to bring forth the interpretation, as described in 2 Peter. 2 Peter 3:5 is connected to Isaiah 28:9-10 with, “willingly are ignorant” and to Hebrews 5:12, which has, “dull of hearing”. Hebrews 5:12 uses, “first principles of the oracles of God,” to relate to Genesis 1, which is the source of the story in 2 Peter.


Revelation 2:12-13, uses the names “Pergamos,” meaning “height or elevation,” to relate to the idea of height or elevation, and the name “Antipas,” meaning “like the father” to relate to, “I will be like the most high,” in Isaiah 14:14, and "Ye are of your father the devil" in John 8:44. John 8:44 uses, “murderer from the beginning” to relate to, “wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr,” and “abode not in the truth” to relate to “where Satan’s seat is,” in Revelation 2:13.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

A second version of a saying or of a narrative is called a, “doublet.” There are many doublets of the days of Creation, from Geneses one of the KJV Bible. Each of these doublets have a, “plural reference” and each tells of its own “dispensation”, universe, in the first three days of the Creation. This multi-universe, multi-dispensational aspect of the Creation may have relevance regarding the phrase, “an instrument of ten strings”; via, “works,” in Psalms 33:2-4. And this is logically consistent with the ten times the phrase, “from the beginning,” occurs in the OT, following Proverbs 8:22 and the telling of days from the Spirit of God.

 

[throughfierytrial]

I was meditating on the day of the Lord just now, i see its mentioned in 2 Peter 3=

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


I see something forming in my understanding, i think. These are the scriptures i was meditating on:

Mathew 6:19 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Mathew 24:43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Mathew 6:22 “The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

Mathew 24:45 “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’[g] 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Isaiah 29:9 Pause and wonder!
Blind yourselves and be blind!
They are drunk, but not with wine;
They stagger, but not with intoxicating drink.
10 For the Lord has poured out on you
The spirit of deep sleep,
And has closed your eyes, namely, the prophets;
And He has covered your heads, namely, the seers.


Revelation 19:9 Then he said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’” And he said to me, “These are the true sayings of God.” 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

Sorry, but what point are you making which we are to comment on...all these passages appear straight forward. Or is there some question we may speak to? Also, someone has commented I believe on the days in Genesis in response to this post...I ask, why? and to the explanation, how so???

II Peter 3:10 simply speaks of the day of the Lord meaning Judgement Day.

But please, do explain more clearly just what it is you wish to discuss regarding II Peter 3:10. I'd love to comment.

 

[Extraneous]

Sorry, but what point are you making which we are to comment on...all these passages appear straight forward. Or is there some question we may speak to? Also, someone has commented I believe on the days in Genesis in response to this post...I ask, why? and to the explanation, how so???

II Peter 3:10 simply speaks of the day of the Lord meaning Judgement Day.

But please, do explain more clearly just what it is you wish to discuss regarding II Peter 3:10. I'd love to comment.

I cant comment on anything the OP is saying, you'll need to ask him. AS for the day of the Lord, there seems to be little doubt that is is shrouded in mystery. I believe i see things in those scriptures that i posted, but i cant really comment on it any more than i have. THe Lord spoke in parables, the apostle paul talks about mysterious things as well, and its our job to figure them out. I dont think they are really all that hard to understand necessarily, if we see that these things use a symbolic language. I was comparing words that are found in all these scriptures and i noted a pattern. Thats all.

 

[Extraneous]

Expounding on my last response to throughfierytrial-

What i see in those scriptures doesn't change what you say is clear and straight forward, and the day of the Lord will come in an hour when we wont expect, just as the bible says, and it also doesn't change the direct commands of the Lord either. I believe in following the Lords commands, i also believe its will help us see things better, eventually.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Expounding on my last response to throughfierytrial-

What i see in those scriptures doesn't change what you say is clear and straight forward, and the day of the Lord will come in an hour when we wont expect, just as the bible says, and it also doesn't change the direct commands of the Lord either. I believe in following the Lords commands, i also believe its will help us see things better, eventually.

Actually, 2 Peter 3:10 is not part of my work. Why have you added it to this discussion?

 

[Kenneth Redden]

I cant comment on anything the OP is saying, you'll need to ask him. AS for the day of the Lord, there seems to be little doubt that is is shrouded in mystery. I believe i see things in those scriptures that i posted, but i cant really comment on it any more than i have. THe Lord spoke in parables, the apostle paul talks about mysterious things as well, and its our job to figure them out. I dont think they are really all that hard to understand necessarily, if we see that these things use a symbolic language. I was comparing words that are found in all these scriptures and i noted a pattern. Thats all.

By using the method Paul has used to interpret 2 Peter 3:8, much can be found regarding the mystery of Christ.

 

[Extraneous]

Actually, 2 Peter 3:10 is not part of my work. Why have you added it to this discussion?

The Title reads 2 Peter 3. Your OP only asked one question which is:

Can we start a thread regarding 2 Peter 3?

You wanted a discussion about the whole chapter i assumed. I'M not a mind reader, maybe you could have been more specific. My apologies, but its not my fault.

 

[Extraneous]

By using the method Paul has used to interpret 2 Peter 3:8, much can be found regarding the mystery of Christ.

I see what you want to discuss now, again my apologies, i didnt know you wanted to talk about that particular verse.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

The first thing one must do in order to understand these concepts, is to accept the premise of the work. The premise is:

God is the only author of the KJV Bible, which is centered on the days of the Creation.

An interpretation is hidden in the KJV text, in the method Paul has demonstrated in all his epistles.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

I see what you want to discuss now, again my apologies, i didnt know you wanted to talk about that particular verse.

Please, no apologies. Your involvement is greatly appreciated. Thank you!

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Please, no apologies. Your involvement is greatly appreciated. Thank you!

Actually, this thread is about 2 Peter 3:3-8, which is a doublet Paul uses to explain his method.

 

[Extraneous]

Please, no apologies. Your involvement is greatly appreciated. Thank you!

Thank you. I dont know what to say about the "thousand years like a day" thing. I'll sit back and listen to the discussion as it progresses.