Do you believe the Parable of the rich man and Lazarus to be a literal event that took place? Or is it a figurative example of the Afterlife and people's place in it?That's a question for its own topic worth discussing.
However, the parable of Lazarus and the rich man suggests something about that.
Do you believe the Parable of the rich man and Lazarus to be a literal event that took place? Or is it a figurative example of the Afterlife and people's place in it?
But that's not what we are talking about. What is you two see each other in heaven and he is truly repentant. What will you do?
Again, Hell is described as a place of "weeping and gnashing of teeth", where there is, "no rest day or night" for the people who live there, and where the "smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever". (Revelation 14:11)While in darkness.....your eyes adjust to the darkness.....and it become unnoticeable.......until the light comes in.......which, at first in unbearable and painful....but after a while, you can see and function much better than you could ever dream of..........
What is true forgivness?
1. Revelation 5 is taking place before the end has taken place. Here are couple indications of this.Will these kind of things not seem (at the very least) bizarre and a complete mystery to us then?
Revelation 5
11 I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands,
12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.”
13 And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”
14 And the four living creatures kept saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.
Why would we believe and say such things about the Lamb if we retain no memory of who we are and what He did for us in the age to come?
Thanks!
--David
Again, this would depend on what you believe........if you believe all who dont enter the gates to go to hell, then yes, this is the fate of the one who cant bear to live with the other....
This is a scenarios that, I believe, cannot happen. The problems of this present world will not follow into the next.....Our robes must be spotless......and if there is just one speck left..... we would not be fit for the kingdom of heaven....
1. It is an example as to the nature of those in the Lake of fire(being tormented and weeping), and an example showing there is a divide that cannot be breached.How fictional can it be and yet be relevant to anything? I think if we remove the aspect of the rich man understanding why he's there, it no longer has any relevance as a parable.
Nor did Jesus mention this as the response to the question of "which husband will the widow have in heaven?" He gave as the reason that there won't be marriage in heaven--when He could have said there would be no memory of the former life in heaven.
Chris never wanting to see Freddy EVERY gain is a form of corruption (of the mind). I know Paul said "this corruption (the body) puts on incorruption ... but I think that also applies to the mind/heart of the individual. What I'm getting at, is at the gathering unto our Lord in the air, we (ie, Chris and Freddy) will have new bodies/minds/hearts. There is no longer be any of the "never want to see you again" stuff from that point on. As I understand it, at that point, any remaining bad thoughts, sins, etc will be washed away for there is no room for that in our new bodies/minds/hearts.
Do you believe the Parable of the rich man and Lazarus to be a literal event that took place? Or is it a figurative example of the Afterlife and people's place in it?
Hi Valetic, so no sounds of harpists playing in Heaven then .. e.g. Revelation 5:8, 14:2, 15:2? I was looking forward to that, so bummer...some people still want humanly tangible things to be waiting for us, like eating food and playing music and so on.
So you don't believe Luke 16:25-26 tells us anything about the nature of the Lake of fire and God's judgment?Neither, in looking at the ending of this Parable, Jesus explains it.
It's about the Jews rejection of their Messiah (Jesus) and their losing the Kingdom of God that He brought with Him for them.
Luke 16:31
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
So you don't believe Luke 16:25-26 tells us anything about the nature of the Lake of fire and God's judgment?
Hi Stephen, is that why you believe we will have no memory of our life here, because if we did, we wouldn't think so highly of ourselves in Heaven? (because we would know forever that, outside of Christ, we deserved to be in Hell for our disobedience as much as anyone else who is there?)We will know the true and unending love of God being in the presence of his Glory. And we will be able to look upon those who transgressed against him to know what the penalty is for disobeying him.
Hi Valetic, so no sounds of harpists playing in Heaven then .. e.g. Revelation 5:8, 14:2, 15:2? I was looking forward to that, so bummer
And no more eating or drinking? What do we make of a passage like this one then?
Matthew 26
27 He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you.
28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
29 But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.
Thanks!
--David
Well I guess that's what you believe then brother. It was nice speaking with you.No I don't, what I believe is what I stated, and all of the Parables are only abut the Kingdom of God, if this is understood to begin with, then all of the Parables become understandable.
This is the purpose of the Parables of Jesus.
Mat 13:10-13
10) And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11) He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12) For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13) Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat. 13:34
All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Mar 4:33,34
33) And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it.
34) But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.
I believe exactly what is written brother. We will have no memory because otherwise we would feel sorrow for our loved ones burning in the lake of fire. If our memory remained none of these things could be true.Hi Stephen, is that why you believe we will have no memory of our life here, because if we did, we wouldn't think so highly of ourselves in Heaven? (because we would know forever that, outside of Christ, we deserved to be in Hell for our disobedience as much as anyone else who is there?)
Thanks again!
--David
Hi again Valetic, some of these questions cannot be answered with any certainty at this point, of course, though it does seem that physical bodies living on the New Earth may require sustenance of some sort, doesn't it, especially when we add in the few things that we do know about that life and the bodies we will have there .. again e.g. Matthew 26:27-29; Acts of the Apostles 10:40-41.I do not claim to know what awaits us in the afterlife other than the presence of God. Food is not eternal. God is. Songs have a beginning and end. God does not. Jesus may have prophesied a future event but will I need to continue eating in the afterlife to survive? Will I need continuous harp music to enjoy myself in Heaven? I can't see myself saying yes to that considering all that entails He Himself.
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