2 Cor 3:6-11 Affirms the Law of God, and the New Covenant where it is written on the heart

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It seems you might have overlooked the fact that Jesus mentioned that God continued to work on the Sabbath day.

Just as you mentioned, the commandments hold deeper meaning. In the past, observing the Sabbath was a means of drawing closer to God. However, now God desires us to draw near to Him every day and live lives of holiness, rather than confining it to just one day.

Regarding your interpretation of honoring parents, it appears you suggest that true honor comes from being a genuinely good Christian by yourself, rather than simply outwardly honoring them.
 
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Moses stands with Christ in glory -- even before the cross - as Matt 17 reminds us.

One Gospel is in both "OT and NT" Gal 3:8
Are you implying that Paul is mistaken in this instance?
 
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The work of Jesus is not secular, nor does it negate our moral responsibility to follow His teachings and to obey His commandments. We should draw nearer to God daily, but that still does not mean we can defile His commandments. That is called rebellion, the opposite of drawing nearer to God.

No one can be a good Christian without Christ's power. Which is why if one is in Christ- has a right relationship with Him- they would not be hostile to His law Rom 8:7-8 but would honor it through love and faith. John 14:15 1 John 5:3 Rom 3:31 Rev 14:12
 
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It seems you might have overlooked the fact that Jesus mentioned that God continued to work on the Sabbath day.
Jesus did not say God was incorrect in Gen 2:2-3 to say He rested on the 7th day of creation week.
Jesus did not say God was incorrect in Ex 20:11 to say He rested on the 7th day of creation week.
Just as you mentioned, the commandments hold deeper meaning. In the past, observing the Sabbath was a means of drawing closer to God.
In John 14 Jesus said "IF you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"
In 1 John 5:3-4 scripture says "this IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments"
In 1 Cor 7:19 Paul says "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Rev 14:12 "The saints KEEP the commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

"Which commandments?" is the question put to Christ in Matt 19 when HE said "KEEP the Commandments".
In response Christ quotes from the Law of Moses' Ten Commandments dealing with Love your neighbor as yourself (Lev 19:18)
However, now God desires us to draw near to Him every day
There was never a time when God did not want us to draw near "every day".

But today - as in Ex 20 -- we are supposed to engage in secular work activities - every day except God's Sabbath day dedicated to worship entirely.

One Gospel in BOTH OT and NT according to Gal 1:6-9 and Gal 3:8 "The GOSPEL was preached to Abraham"
and live lives of holiness, rather than confining it to just one day.
The idea that the OT teaches us to live an unholy life 6 days of the week cannot be sustained in scripture.

Here is a sermon by a Sunday keeping Pastor well known in parts of the world -

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The Ten Commandments (Part 5)

PART 5 (Sabbath) Posed Feb 2, 2024

04:00 4th command “we do not have desire to obey. It is a loving commandment given by a loving God.

Out of His loving heart He said 04:39 “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy…THE SEVENTH day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)” --- OMITS vs 11 in his quote of the commandment.

Probably this commandment is the most misunderstood commandment…

06:00 Jews wanted to “help God out” so they invented 39 clarifications… 06:24 it would take you hours just to read those 39 additions (in the TALMUD – which is made up stuff).

09:30 “Shabbat is sundown to sundown starting Friday evening and going to Saturday evening – that IS THE SABBATH

10:06 thank God who tried to correct these man-made-rules added to Sabbath by tradition, command meant to bless us was turned around by man. “Sabbath made for man and not man for the Sabbath”\

10:55 get this into your mind – the TEN Commandments are all God’s gift to humanity not punishment and misery – out of His Love, Mercy and grace.

11:40 God said “one day a week – stop running around and focus on Me as you rest, ONE day a week get off the treadmill of rat race, one Day a week, one day a week cease normal activity to remember His Love for us, His goodness.

12:40 The 4th commandment was a great blessing to Israel in the desert because before that time there was no Sabbath , no 4th commandment (I GUESS since Ex 20:11 is omitted in this sermon and so then Gen 2:2-3??)

13:00 “that is why GOD said I did not CREATE Man to LIVE for WORK – but WORK for MAN, take ONE DAY a week and dedicate it to Him.. God can bless ONE HOUR more than a lifetime of work

14:00 God kept saying through the prophets – again and again – “please OBEY the Sabbath – this is the way I CREATED YOU – so do it..focus on ME ONE DAY a week.. God permitted them to be taken into EXILE until they learned that lesson”.... – THREE words “Remember the Sabbath day” – The Word “Remember” does not mean just “Remember TODAY is SUNDAY – yeah sure I remember that… this is Sunday this is the Sabbath” -- remember and prepare as you would for anniversary.

16:00 if you do not value Sabbath you will not value going to church on the Sunday Sabbath.

17:00 you will have an encounter with the Living God (if you come and worship on Sabbath – Sunday)
 
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I for one am glad that the Bible, and those groups above (and more) and the Bible Sabbath keeping groups all agree on this one detail - "ALL the Law and the prophets" are based on the two commandments in the Law of Moses dealing with LOVE -- just as Christ affirms in Matt 22.

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because they do not say anything about loving one another.
Jesus said in Matt 22 "all the Law and the prophets " are based on Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart" and Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself".

Your argument is with Him.
That does not alter the fact that the ten do not tell anyone to love.

That does not alter the fact that Jesus said ALL the Law and the prophets are based on Deut 6:5 "Love God" and Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself".

If you want to argue that Jesus was mistaken .. have at it. You will need lots of luck.

If we LOVE God we would never take His name in vain now would we?
IF we LOVE God we will "KEEP His Commandments" according to Christ.

"IF you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
Ex 20:6 "LOVE Me and KEEP My Commandments"

In John 14 Jesus said "IF you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"
In 1 John 5:3-4 scripture says "this IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments"
In 1 Cor 7:19 Paul says "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Rev 14:12 "The saints KEEP the commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"
 
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That does not alter the fact that there is not one word in the ten about love.
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Jesus said in Matt 22 "all the Law and the prophets " are based on Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart" and Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself".

Your argument is with Him.
Actually, you do not have an argument, there is not one word in the ten that indicated to the Israelites anything about love.
My commandments do not include the ten. We know this because Paul wrote that the ten were temporary. 2Cor3:6-12.
 
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Your commandments? That says everything.
 
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Your commandments? That says everything.
It looked to me like our brother @Bob S was referring to the phrase "my Commandments" in places such as John 14:15.

What are those "my commandments"? Are they everything in the Book of Leviticus?

If they are only some things, what is the first commandment in the Book of Leviticus that we come to that Jesus was referring to?
 
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This has been the continuous teaching of the ancient churches until today, that the law is still in effect but that now man finally has the power to obey it, the right way, Gods way, under grace, by the Spirit and the love He pours into our hearts. That’s what it means to have His law put into our minds and written on our hearts. Many in the last five centuries have gone astray, throwing the law out the door and conceiving of the gospel and new covenant as some sort of reprieve from the obligation to be personally righteous and live accordingly.
 
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Your commandments? That says everything.
Why is it you seem to have to write something derogatory? I find this happening when the opponent has nothing to defend his/her theory
 
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Why is it you see to have to write something derogatory? I find this happening when the opponent has nothing to defend his/her theory
Opponent? His or her theory? Wow!
 
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While I do support your position I must point out that Jesus did say that all of the commandments and demands of the prophets were based on those two most important commandments. Which means that love was the whole purpose of the 10 commandments. However the sabbath law has been abolished Colossians 2:16 makes that clear and I do agree that the Law did contain 613 commandments. Some people like to pretend they keep the law or the commandments of God but they don’t. They’ll tell you that you have to keep the 10 commandments but the rest were not commandments they were “ordinances”. They’ll say the 10 commandments were not ordinances. But then these same people will turn right around and say you have to keep the dietary laws which had nothing to do with the 10 commandments they were actually ordinances so they contradict their own statements and their arguments are inconsistent and they do all of this based on some woman’s authority who claimed to be a prophet in the late 19th century. It doesn’t matter what the apostolic churches did for 1900 years before this woman came along everyone else was wrong until some lady finally came along a little over 100 years ago to set everyone straight on what the apostles taught. One might think that if this theology was actually as important as these people claim it to be that God might’ve sent this message earlier instead of allowing the entire apostolic church to continue in error for almost 2000 years.
 
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While I do support your position I must point out that Jesus did say that all of the commandments and demands of the prophets were based on those two most important commandments. Which means that love was the whole purpose of the 10 commandments.
True.
However the sabbath law has been abolished Colossians 2:16
Not true. Col 2 does not mention the weekly Sabbath at all - it refers to the "Shadows" of Lev 23 - the annual Sabbaths that point forward to the sacrifice of Christ. Hence all examples of worship services on Sabbath in the NT refers to the 7th day of the week , where "every Sabbath" Paul was preaching the Gospel to both gentiles and Jews Acts 18:4.

It is no wonder that scripture says that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship".
 
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Oh now you’re really getting my riled up brother. You’re going to quote Isaiah 66:23 right after saying that Colossians 2:16 isn’t about the Saturday sabbath. I noticed you cut off a portion of Isaiah 66:23. Why is that?

And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.“
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Isaiah 66:23 says from new moon to new moon we will worship.

”Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day“
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Paul says we don’t have to observe the new moon feasts and correct me if I’m mistaken but you also say we don’t have to observe the new moon feasts. But Isaiah 66:23 says we will worship from new moon to new moon. Your quoting Isaiah 66:23 because your position is that because Isaiah says we will worship from sabbath to sabbath that means we must still observe the sabbath but even tho he said we will worship from new moon to new moon you don’t believe we have to observe the new moon feasts. How is that not contradictory and inconsistent reasoning?
 
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Oh now you’re really getting my riled up brother. You’re going to quote Isaiah 66:23 right after saying that Colossians 2:16 isn’t about the Saturday sabbath.
The text of Col 2 is clear - it is about the "shadow Sabbaths" -- which are the ones that are based in animal sacrifice.

Ex 20:8-11 the Sabbath commandment has no animal sacrifice.
Ex 20:11 points directly to Gen 2:2-3 at creation week - where once again there was no animal sacrifice.

The weekly Sabbath "made for mankind" not "Sabbath made just for Jews" Mark 2:27.
I noticed you cut off a portion of Isaiah 66:23.
Is 66:23 points to the weekly Sabbath kept for all eternity after the cross , in the New Earth. Which directly addressed your "Sabbath ended" comment.

I don't see how that is even a little bit confusing.
Why is that?

And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.“
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
Yep. In the Rev 21 context where there are TWO creation events ,, there are TWO cycles that they will have to come together for worship.

This again - does not help your "no all of that ends at the cross" idea.

”Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day“
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭16‬
”Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day“
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
No need to chop the sentence in half.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

festivals and sabbaths which are a "shadow" -- are the shadow events given in animal sacrifices pointing to the sacrifice of Christ.
 
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It is imperative to seek closeness to God every day. In your perspective, differentiating the seventh day from the rest is essential. However, the method to achieve this remains unresolved. We've explored instances where Jesus and the Apostles visited the temple of false teachings on the Sabbath, indicating that it's not a definitive way to sanctify the Sabbath. And if God refrains from secular activities on the Sabbath, agricultural fields would remain dry on that day (no raining on the seventh day).
 
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No I am not. Paul did not say Moses was lost , unsaved, not-a-child of God.
But Paul said what Moses did faded. That's the key.
I recommend establishing a connection between the scriptural statements. Jesus demonstrated that God continues to work on the Sabbath but rests from the act of creation.
 
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