2 American Ebola patients head to USA

[MikeK]

Tell that to the people that caught this working with the disease. Do you think they didn't know to take precautions??

From what I've gathered, proper precautions were not taken in all instances. This is Africa we're talking about, and these people are coming to the United States. The USA is far from a perfect country, but we do tend to have the best toys and excellent technical abilities. There is no place better equipped to contain these two individuals than right here.

 

[brewmama]

From what I've gathered, proper precautions were not taken in all instances. This is Africa we're talking about, and these people are coming to the United States. The USA is far from a perfect country, but we do tend to have the best toys and excellent technical abilities. There is no place better equipped to contain these two individuals than right here.

How did you gather that?

I disagree, I wouldn't want to be piloting that plane. It seems to be spreading WAY too easily.

 

[MikeK]

I don't believe that scientists are perfect. They are human and can be careless and make mistakes. I think that science is the new religion in today's post-Christian world, and the scientists are treated as if they are gods who can never be wrong and can never make a mistake. Anyone who suggests that science and scientists are imperfect is treated as a heretic.

Precisely because people and processes are imperfect, we build fail safes into our procedures. Do you know why there haven't been any Americans killed by acute radiation exposure at any of our civilian nuclear power stations? People make mistakes, there is negligence and complacency all around us. There are also good minds at work on FMEAs setting up redundancies that keep risk to a quantifiable, acceptable level. We have Smallpox. And Sarin. And Anthrax. And VX. And Ebola. Lots of Ebola. We're pretty darned good at preventing leaks and outbreaks when we know where the dangerous stuff is.

 

[topcare]

The start of the walking dead, the apocalypse begins

 

[Virgil the Roman]

This is the most moronic and beyond-the-pale-of-stupidity that the CDC could have done! You do NOT remove the infected from Quarintine --- you do not breach quartine; one of the basic laws of plague/disease containment . . .

 

[LivingWordUnity]

This is the most moronic and beyond-the-pale-of-stupidity that the CDC could have done! You do NOT remove the infected from Quarintine --- you do not breach quartine; one of the basic laws of plague/disease containment . . .

I'm amazed at the ones who are responding in this thread as if this is no big deal.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

When I was young America did big things, thought big thoughts and took on tasks that were hard, because the were hard.

Then along come the '80 and something happened.

We suddenly started to slowly drop out of the big thoughts, big things, hard tasks business and started doing things just because of money.

Now we've reduced to this cowering, wimpy, scared or our own shadow parody of ourselves.

We bring back our own aid workers because, you know, we're not the kind of people who leave our warriors behind on the battlefield (or at least we used to be).

And everyone is scared, complaining, whiny.

25 years ago when my wife graduated from nursing school her first job was working with AIDS patients. Back in those days people were still thinking you could get AIDS for a mosquito bite.

I was proud.

Why.

Because that's the country we used to be.

Shame on all of us.

 

[wondrousgnat]

This is not a view I agree with


Ann Coulter - August 6, 2014 - EBOLA DOC'S CONDITION DOWNGRADED TO 'IDIOTIC'

 

[LivingWordUnity]

When I was young America did big things, thought big thoughts and took on tasks that were hard, because the were hard.

The risk in doing big things such as landing someone on the moon didn't involve putting the whole country in danger. The astronauts only put their own lives at risk in that mission. But did you see the update on this? Now the CDC chief is saying that it's 'inevitable' that America will have an Ebola outbreak. Do you believe this is worth it for trying to prove that we aren't afraid of anything?

 

[MikeK]

The CDC chief did not say that it is inevitable because we're bringing these people here for treatment. If the virus can effectively spread in our climate with our genetics and our sanitary practices then it will. Every day, thousands of Americans land in foreign airports where they mingle with millions of other travelers. Our world is very small today, we cannot effectively quarantine continents.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

The risk in doing big things such as landing someone on the moon didn't involve putting the whole country in danger. The astronauts only put their own lives at risk in that mission. But did you see the update on this? Now the CDC chief is saying that it's 'inevitable' that America will have an Ebola outbreak. Do you believe this is worth it for trying to prove that we aren't afraid of anything?

Please, LWU, don't try to live up to every expectation I have of you .

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Please, LWU, don't try to live up to every expectation I have of you .

That's certainly a non-response if there ever was one.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

That's certainly a non-response if there ever was one.

Well, it's the only one you're going to get.

I stand up for courageous American aid workers who've been fallen sick.

I stand up for the American values the refuse to let them die in a foreign land when we can bring them back and cure them

I'd consider an honor to fall sick rendering care to fellow American who selflessly went overseas to help people who cannot help themselves

And if that costs me my life, so be it.

If you're so paralyzed by fear that you'd rather abandon your own values and these fine American professionals

Well, I pity you.

But not enough to actually address your view on the subject.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

I stand up for courageous American aid workers who've been fallen sick.

Courage is when you are willing to sacrifice yourself. It's not when you are willing to sacrifice others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roNlgIY9QKw

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Courage is when you are willing to sacrifice yourself. It's not when you are willing to sacrifice others.

Correct

WHICH IS WHY WE BRING OUR SICK AND WOUNDED BACK WITH US.

 

[pdudgeon]

Correct

WHICH IS WHY WE BRING OUR SICK AND WOUNDED BACK WITH US.

but the sick and wounded are only moved for two purposes...
1. moved from the field of battle to a MASH unit to recieve emergency treatment.
2. moved again when stabilized for recouperation.

it's the second part--when stabilized-- that is in question here.

and in case you're wondering, let's do the math:

1,700 cases of Ebola so far reported here in OBOB
of those 932 died from Ebola,
which leaves 768 who are still alive.

now if my math is right (somebody check, please )
that leaves us with a 54% kill rate, 46% survival rate in the native countries.

Let's pray that those figures get better with time.

 

[Virgil the Roman]

The World Health Organisation has the mortality rate of Ebola at up to 90%. That is not something anyone ought to mess around with at all as if it were just the Flu . . .

Source: WHO | Ebola virus disease

 

[ebia]

...as if it were just the Flu . . .

Known deaths in the last century from Ebola - a few thousand.
Known deaths in the last century from flu - somewhere between 20 and 100 million.

No, I guess not.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Known deaths in the last century from Ebola - a few thousand.
Known deaths in the last century from flu - somewhere between 20 and 100 million.

No, I guess not.

He was talking about the death rate in proportion to the people who get the disease. Lot's of people get the flu and survive. But Ebola is almost a guaranteed death.

 

[Armoured]

I don't believe they should be brought home but treated by an American team there. However they are to come home. If I was there and contracted ebola, I would refuse to come home and would renounce my citizenship. I would not want to even remotely bring ebola here. May God help us all and those who have ebolb.

Renounce your citizenship? Why?