Two programs / 2 peoples of God is not in the NT. It is a modern fabrication. It shares some roots with the Jesuit counter-reformation.
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2/2 is not in the NT
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Romans 11 talks about two peoples.
Gentiles= Wild branches grafted from the wild olive tree.
Jews=Natural branches re-grafted to the original tree.
Rom 11:24 For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?
Gentiles= Wild branches grafted from the wild olive tree.
Jews=Natural branches re-grafted to the original tree.
Rom 11:24 For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?
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I've changed my mind a bit on this over the last 10 years. God overlapped the Old and New Covenants by about 40 years. This was an act of His kindness and grace in order to give his elect time to transition from the Old Covenant to the New. All of that time the followers of Jesus preached the Gospel in Israel: after that the judgment came. The transition didn't happen overnight.
In 66AD the restrainer (Shekinah Glory of God) was seen leaving the Temple - Just like when Ezekiel saw him leave just before the Judgment of Israel (Captivity and destruction of the city and Temple of Solomon). The Shekinah was the Guarantor and Executor of the Old Covenant. He was the one who brought to pass all of the blessings and curses - the promises of God of the Old Covenant. Now He was gone forever and there is no longer any power behind the Old Covenant. It has been replaced by the better New Covenant just like Hebrews said it would be.
The Shekinah hovered over the top of the Mount of Olives for 3 1/2 years until the war had ended, according to an eyewitness, - Rabbi Jonathan - and then returned to heaven from where it came from. As of 70AD there is no longer any Shekinah power behind the Old Covenant and never will be again. It is gone forever. You're right - there is only one Covenant in force today; and that is the one God made with Jesus the Messiah.
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I have already demonstrated the falsehood of this claim in the following thread:
The True Meaning of Romans 9-11
http://www.christianforums.com/t7716736/#post62199250
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BW,
the "falsehood" is not a question of whether the Jesuits cooked it up. Whether they knew about patristics who said anything similar is the question you are on. But in the 500 year view (back) of church history, people heard this same information in the late 1800s, maybe did not know it was Jesuit, and thought it was novel. They also happened to be tired of friction with Catholics.
Obviously Protestants who didn't know a patristic said anything similar would be justified in avoiding it because it was Jesuit. But there are Reformation hymns even before the CounterReformation that make nothing of Israel in modern times, nor did they need to.
Nor do they need to today.
And you post does not answer the tenses of the end of Rom 11, sorry.
the "falsehood" is not a question of whether the Jesuits cooked it up. Whether they knew about patristics who said anything similar is the question you are on. But in the 500 year view (back) of church history, people heard this same information in the late 1800s, maybe did not know it was Jesuit, and thought it was novel. They also happened to be tired of friction with Catholics.
Obviously Protestants who didn't know a patristic said anything similar would be justified in avoiding it because it was Jesuit. But there are Reformation hymns even before the CounterReformation that make nothing of Israel in modern times, nor did they need to.
Nor do they need to today.
And you post does not answer the tenses of the end of Rom 11, sorry.
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The departure of the glory from the temple is mentioned in a minor prophet. Also the glory of the coming temple would supercede the current post exile temple in Hag 2. Paradoxically, God did not mean the human/carnal glory of Herod's huge temple, but Christ even though both arrived at basically the same time.
The record of Josephus and the others at the DofJ is also that the voice that spoke said "We..." ie, the affirmation of a plurality of the godhead. "We are leaving."
In Mt 23, Christ already said the temple was desolated. That's some years before, but as Codger suggests, there is the hint of God's waiting a generation, trying to get Israel to respond.
The record of Josephus and the others at the DofJ is also that the voice that spoke said "We..." ie, the affirmation of a plurality of the godhead. "We are leaving."
In Mt 23, Christ already said the temple was desolated. That's some years before, but as Codger suggests, there is the hint of God's waiting a generation, trying to get Israel to respond.
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If BW is referring to the 2 peoples, then its probably the same read of 9:26 and 11:26 he's always had, which is soundbyted. The overall statement of 9-11 is not a prediction to another 'stage.' It is prodding, spurring about then and there to Israel to be missionaries. That Israel would believe the Redeemer had come historically, which is why Paul is using that Isaiah quote.
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