17 Hell-Sending Activities In Just 3 Verses!

[davidsheart77]

The second death is not an actual "physical death" or "destruction" it is simply a cutting off. They will be left to life apart from god and his kingdom. God considers those he has cut of "dead", but this is not a literal death but a figurative one. There is not going to be an end of time execution by carried out by god.

I never said anything about homosexuality, for that is a sin just like everything else and that was not the reason it was destroyed and burnt to ashes like the fate of unbelievers, it was because of disobedience. Homosexuality is a sin just like the adulterer and the murderer and the the thief. All alike have one thing in common, have fallen short of the grace of God and refused the gospel that screams in the streets everyday, every min, every second they breathe. For wisdom is at the gates yelling with never ceasing tears," oh you simple ones how long will you love your evil ways that bring destruction to your neighbor and yourself. Those who are of God hear the words Of God.

 

[kiwimac]

Dr Frank is the man who posted that facebook destroys marriages. After that insanity it can only be uphill.

 

[heritage36]

Revelation 20:10, John describes those in the “lake of fire” being "tormented day and night forever and ever."

Revelation 20:10 is also specifically talking about the anti-christ, false prophet and satan, which are obviously unique cases compared to anyone else who isn't chosen to enter God's Kingdom. You have to realize the CONTEXT.

 

[davidsheart77]

Revelation 20:10 is also specifically talking about the anti-christ, false prophet and satan, which are obviously unique cases compared to anyone else who isn't chosen to enter God's Kingdom. You have to realize the CONTEXT.

What does it say about the unbelieverws being tossed with satan and which was originally intended for the Satan and the angels. You honestly think I would just twist the context for my own purpose and delight. Or that I delight about hell, and the unbelievers never coming to repentance and faith. Or that delight that not many will enter the kingdom because broad is the gate and many be there that go in there at.

It is heartbreaking!!!!! But it is in the Word, and that has its final say. Jesus was one of the people to speak about hell more than any other person in the new testament with its warning. I do not fear hell for I have faith in my king. I fear and Love my king to keep me guarded in my faith. But hell has no victory over me. But to those who are not confident in the faith, who have not believed, who have believed but have a dead faith and refuse to abide by his love and his commandments. Hell according to the scriptures is for eternity. I do not speak according to my will and what I believe, I speak of what Our father has spoken, for it is his word not mine. As I hear, so i speak. If the world hates me and rejects his message, He told me to remember they hated him first and without cause and they have no excuse. I am in this world, but not of it. as he was in the world and not of it. For those who are of Him recognize his word and know him because they have been with us since the beginning.

 

[heritage36]

I was not saying that you twisted the verse at all, or anything negative about it, just that people should be aware that particular verse is in context so they do not apply it to situations regarding others. I understand what you are saying about Jesus mentioning "hell" more than anyone else in the NT, but you have to realize that word is gehenna and it really does not translate to hell as many people understand it to be. I strongly encourage people to study out this word. Even just going on a site like Biblegateway and searching for it and seeing then going through the occurrences of it, is very enlightening.

 

[davidsheart77]

I understand what you are saying about Jesus mentioning "hell" more than anyone else in the NT, but you have to realize that word is gehenna and it really does not translate to hell as many people understand it to be. I strongly encourage people to study out this word. Even just going on a site like Biblegateway and searching for it and seeing then going through the occurrences of it, is very enlightening.[/quote]
And I will take that into consideration brother, for i have heard its different meanings pertaining to hell, hades and what not and the grave, for Christ was in hell meaning the grave for three days and then arose such and such. But then their is hell and then the lake and fire that is never ceasing.... and you are right so many terminologies and meannings of words, that I do not try to turn the simplicity of the Gospel into an arguement of greek or latin, the spirit guides us into truth and all truth. The verdict is if people don't believe or don't obey they will be punished.
Not the time or the amount is important but the certainty of the wrath to come. For as he has spoken do not recompense evil for evil I will repay saith the Lord, vengeance is mine. The problem was, that yes Our King is a loving and gracious God but he will not be mocked and is a jealous God which some people refuse to believe. But I thank you brother for your suggestion and I wll make a deeper understanding pertaining the duration of hell and the lake of fire etc. And I declare which is far more important than the duration of hell or the type of punishment, that anyone who in Christ Jesus who uses the grace of Christ for a cloak to be like the world and indulge in their lasciouveness and worldy abominable mindset, will suffer the same fate. Judgement begins with us because we know better. And if you are a believer and are walking in the spirit and not after the things of the sinful flesh, you are confident in your standing before the Lord, for you have been a faithful sevant. Our days are like in the church of Laodicea we are bcoming lukewarm, neither hot nor cold and we will be spewed out of the Lord's mouth. We cry grace , grace not for repentance and a renewal of our Heart and victory of our habitual imprisoning sins. We cry grace grace, to continue in our bondage to sin beccause the love of the Father is not in us but of the things of this world.

 

[heritage36]

Very good points, you did a good job of tying together some of the points we had been up lately and bringing it back to the topic at hand, which we had slipped away from a little. Thanks!

 

[davidsheart77]

Very good points, you did a good job of tying together some of the points we had been up lately and bringing it back to the topic at hand, which we had slipped away from a little. Thanks!

no problem brother thanks for your insight as well.

 

[max1120]

It appears you take some satisfaction or sense of person vendication in your "see ya!" remark. This also accounts for why I suspect many who believe as you do cling to these obviously rediculous assertions that god actually burns people in hell for all eternity or offs them in some final mass execution. It appears to give you some sense of "superiority" over others who view this differently. There are cases of this in almost every religion including Islam. Look at how the radical Islamic groups such as those who follow Osama bin Laden seem to look down upon other Muslims who do not follow him and wage "jihad" or holy war on the "Infidels" (no believers). I see little difference between those who take such views and radical Muslims. They are both the extremes of their religions and are usually the ones who are most willing to twist the scriptures to fit their need to be "right".

By no means do I believe I know it all or that I am flawless and a holy saint of righteouseness. But Can you believe what you have been saying, that the scriptures are erroneous? something I once held thanks to that book called, Jesus interrupted by bart ehrman. That book and other material helped me to disbelieve in the bible. But I think our issue is not with hell or atleast not for me, because in pasalms it does state the wicked will be cut off for good and such and such, which I have thought what is the point of eternal life : but for the continuance of living on.

Yes, eternal separation from god is the punishment, there is no eternal torture or "second death" in a literal sense. The "second death" is figurative term, it means they are "dead" in sin forever and are not allowed in god's presence and he has nothing further to do with them. They are not destroyed or tortured forever.

So I have re considered alot of the traditions of what man has been taught by carefully reading the scriptures for a better understanding. But then problem I thought or sensed was that you believed God would not discipline or reward us according to our works. Him rewarding us is being just. But as far as hell being literal that is something that I still am a little uncertain because there is proofs for both yet. So but what I originally believed from reading was that hell was in a sense just a permanent separation From God in the sense of them having no more existence, and it would be everlasting because they would not be brought to life again Hence: the purpose of us wanting eternal Life: to continue living after death.

You are close, very close, but they are not destroyed in a permanent sense. They are cut off from god. The first death was when man turned against god in the Garden of Eden, but god restored man and gave him a way to return to his presence. The second death is also of man in general not individual, in this second death there is no second chance, they are cut off from god forever. Since god considers that there is no "life" apart from him, to him the are "dead", but not literally only "dead" as far as their relationship to god is concerned. Does explain my points better?

So I had this view becuase its what I got from the scriptures but I was opposed for it severly, so I put it behind me. So It actually is quite good to hear that from someone else. Because that is what i got from reading. But my arguement was not for that point but for destruction.

I understand you point better now. Yes it is better that you at least do not believe in some form of eternal torture as that is the worst offense against god's good name I can think of for one to cast upon him.
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in everlasting punishment, like the cities of sodom and gomorrah.

But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

When thy sisters, Sodom and her daughters, shall return to their former estate, and Samaria and her daughters shall return to their former estate, then thou and thy daughters shall return to your former estate.