11,000 Scientists

[tall73]

If we accept the conclusions of the scientists making the statement then our policies on immigration are all wrong. The article mentions western developed nations as putting out the majority of the carbon, and having the worst lifestyle for impacting the environment. And they note that overpopulation also contributes.

But the high birthrates are in the undeveloped nations. So we are taking the people from the undeveloped nations who have a lower carbon footprint, and we are bringing them into western nations where their carbon footprint will go up.

If over population is a problem then we are only magnifying the problem by bringing in more people to a culture that promotes a larger carbon footprint.

 

[loveofourlord]

If we accept the conclusions of the scientists making the statement then our policies on immigration are all wrong. The article mentions western developed nations as putting out the majority of the carbon, and having the worst lifestyle for impacting the environment. And they note that overpopulation also contributes.

But the high birthrates are in the undeveloped nations. So we are taking the people from the undeveloped nations who have a lower carbon footprint, and we are bringing them into western nations where their carbon footprint will go up.

If over population is a problem then we are only magnifying the problem by bringing in more people to a culture that promotes a larger carbon footprint.

except that in america you can afford to go off heavy carbon producing materials, we don't need the oils and coal to survive they still do.

 

[tall73]

except that in america you can afford to go off heavy carbon producing materials, we don't need the oils and coal to survive they still do.

a. There are many people who cannot afford even enough food to eat in America.

b. What are they going to use instead? In much of the nation solar energy is not viable year round. And wind is limited as well.

c. In the winter much of the nation still needs carbon based energy to survive.

 

[timothyu]

If over population is a problem then we are only magnifying the problem by bringing in more people to a culture that promotes a larger carbon footprint.

So the rest of us going on holidays there won't balance things out?

 

[loveofourlord]

a. There are many people who cannot afford even enough food to eat in America.

b. What are they going to use instead? In much of the nation solar energy is not viable year round. And wind is limited as well.

c. In the winter much of the nation still needs carbon based energy to survive.

I don't know...spend some of those billions given to oil companies for zero reason and give it to the alternative energy companies to figure that out? And the people that can afford it are the companies produciung most of the pollution and carbon and such. There are many ways it could be done, power can be stored in batteries from solar power and then given back when not needed heck even just supplimenting on a large scale the power from solar would help.

 

[tall73]

So the rest of us going on holidays there won't balance things out?

Perhaps if you get those carbon neutral cruise ships.

 

[tall73]

I don't know...spend some of those billions given to oil companies for zero reason and give it to the alternative energy companies to figure that out?

The billions given are generally by customers, and they give the billions because the technology works. The alternative energy options are just not up to par yet for total energy needs or we would happily be using them.

As to political money going to such companies, do you expect the politicians and elite to be actually concerned about the environment beyond assessing carbon taxes? They have private jet traffic jams at their climate summits.

And the people that can afford it are the companies produciung most of the pollution and carbon and such. There are many ways it could be done, power can be stored in batteries from solar power and then given back when not needed heck even just supplimenting on a large scale the power from solar would help.

Solar energy is not capable of infinite storage, and storage from excess from the summer would last a couple days in cold winters.

Do you recall the thread not too long ago about the city locked into a wind turbine contract, where they were losing money? They could not send the surplus easily to where it was needed, so while at times they surpassed their own needs they had no great transfer or storage options.

Until we get viable alternative energy sources we have few options. They will probably have to resort to bio-engineering to offset the impact instead. Because we can't get nations on the same page on any of these issues as it is.

 

[timothyu]

Perhaps if you get those carbon neutral cruise ships.

The three mast ones?

 

[loveofourlord]

The billions given are generally by customers, and they give the billions because the technology works. The alternative energy options are just not up to par yet for total energy needs or we would happily be using them.

As to political money going to such companies, do you expect the politicians and elite to be actually concerned about the environment beyond assessing carbon taxes? They have private jet traffic jams at their climate summits.



Solar energy is not capable of infinite storage, and storage from excess from the summer would last a couple days in cold winters.

Do you recall the thread not too long ago about the city locked into a wind turbine contract, where they were losing money? They could not send the surplus easily to where it was needed, so while at times they surpassed their own needs they had no great transfer or storage options.

Until we get viable alternative energy sources we have few options. They will probably have to resort to bio-engineering to offset the impact instead. Because we can't get nations on the same page on any of these issues as it is.

ummm...I'm talking about the 14 billion dollars or so a year the us gives in oil subsidies as a motivation to get them to keep drilling for what makes them money....

 

[tall73]

ummm...I'm talking about the 14 billion dollars or so a year the us gives in oil subsidies as a motivation to get them to keep drilling for what makes them money....

See the aforementioned politicians problem.

But the reason they try to promote such is that the government also needs oil. And dependence on foreign oil is likewise a security and financial issue.

 

[timothyu]

And dependence on foreign oil is likewise a security and financial issue.

Dependency on foreign oil is using it up and then when it is all gone, hoard yours.

 

[loveofourlord]

See the aforementioned politicians problem.

But the reason they try to promote such is that the government also needs oil. And dependence on foreign oil is likewise a security and financial issue.

which is why most of the oil the united states pulls out is sold to foreign oils right? Like the whole scam of the big pipeline helping with energy independence that was own by a UK oil company?

 

[tall73]

which is why most of the oil the united states pulls out is sold to foreign oils right? Like the whole scam of the big pipeline helping with energy independence that was own by a UK oil company?

WE sell oil. We also stock pile oil. Energy independence is not just about keeping it here. It means we need sources that we can access in emergencies without buying it overseas. But yes, we sell it when we are not in emergencies. And we thereby have profitable business by it.

But even more than that by continuing the oil trade the US props up its currency as oil is usually traded in dollars.

If people no longer needed the oil because we invented great energy technology then we would prop that up and make sure it was traded in dollars to artificially enhance the currency too.

But if you think that the politicians are working with big oil (and they certainly are at times) this seems to argue against the notion that the politicians are going to solve the energy problems. They rig all of it to profit off of to start with. And it works because the fossil fuels are still valuable, because they are still needed.

 

[Zanting]

Look again at this claim by "11,000 scientists" and their dire warning...here is some more information on the topic...

“11,000 Scientists” Debunked:

 

[timothyu]

Where does human opinion (and name calling) fit into following God's will? Is it necessary to take sides within the Adversary's system?

 

[durangodawood]

Look again at this claim by "11,000 scientists" and their dire warning...here is some more information on the topic...

“11,000 Scientists” Debunked:

When I got to "listen to this news readers tone of voice!" I decided I'd had enough of this so called debunking.

 

[Hammster]

11,000 Scientists? Just Kidding

 

[timothyu]

11,000 Scientists? Just Kidding

Crackpots debunking crackpots.

 

[Jezabella]

The sheer size of the human population on our planet certainly is a factor in our present crisis. On the other hand, if we do nothing that population will be dramatically reduced with incredible human suffering.

Why are we so stupid? We knew about this long ago, in time to prevent this crisis.
As Australia bakes, a marine heatwave of historic scale is killing sea life along the west coast


If you are really interested in climate change, watch this. The crisis is here.
YOUTUBE LINK

 

[Nithavela]

Why are we so stupid? We knew about this long ago, in time to prevent this crisis.

Because we are barely a step up from apes swing from trees and only thinking about where to get the next banana from. We have gotten too smart for our own good.

Turns out that developing intelligence is an evolutionary dead end.