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Rejection of the Gospel is unbelief.There's just as much in fighting among those who don't believe in OSAS as those who do seems like.
Can we have assurance? Certainly! Does that mean that we cannot possibly reject so great a salvation? Absolutely not!
Unbelievers reject the Gospel.A double negative. Okay, we can reject salvation, right?
Where do you get the power to obey?It's really NOT a very long list compared to all of the many warnings in the NT.
Do you think all of these NT warnings are for unbelievers sitting in the churches,
or for the BACs in the churches ... to help them stay on the narrow path?
Okay, great ... so all of His dire warnings in the NTFirst you have to understand what is an unconditional covenant.
God has made unconditional covenant with mankind where
God will be the one responsible for fulfilling all the conditions.
Great ... are you a child of the devil?What a miserable life people must live to not believe in OSAS. You never could be absolutely sure that you would do something that would cause you to wind up in hell after all. I am glad the Scriptures are clear enough to tell us Christians we have (present tense) eternal (it doesn't change, cannot be lost) life. Romans 6:23; 1 John 5:13; Hebrews 13:5.
HUH? ... Been eatin' too many Kiwi birds again?These references have to do with those who refuse the gospel of Christ.
Are you aware that Paul wrote in Galatians that those who mix faith with works bring the curse of God upon themselves? How does your insistence on people being required to be obedient to Biblical commands in order to either be saved or maintain their salvation have consistency with Paul clearly writing that the true gospel involves faith in Christ alone, apart from anything we can do in the way of works, including good deeds, or obedience to the rules in the rulebook?
Good points. I’m amazed at how threads go on and on on the loss of salvation, when the straw man describes an unbeliever.Not difficult to explain but I would say impossible to substantiate. The Bible says something very different on how to be saved:
Peter said this
''And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.''
Paul said this
''And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.''
And Jesus says we have eternal life:
''For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.''
I don't see your list of duties anywhere. Were Jesus Paul and Peter wrong?
Okay, great ... so all of His dire warnings in the NT
about falling away and losing salvation, etc.
were bluffs, exaggerations, lies even.
Jesus said 4 times in John 14, "If you LOVE Me, you will OBEY Me."Where do you get the power to obey?
I think only 3 out of the 10 were before Jesus went to the Cross.Most of those you quoted was before he went to the Cross.
Jesus was preaching the Law in the 4 Gospels, which required faith AND works.
So yes, of course salvation then was conditional.
Where do we obtain the righteousness which admits us to the Kingdom?Warnings about being shut out of the kingdom of God
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ● “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit
the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters,
nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous,
nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.”
So it’s all on your effort?Jesus said 4 times in John 14, "If you LOVE Me, you will OBEY Me."
Jesus never asks BACs to do things they cannot do!
What did Paul say about what God will do for all His people, His elect?Warnings about being shut out of the New Jerusalem
Revelation 22:14-15 ● “Blessed are those who do His commandments,
that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through
the gates of the city. But outside are the dogs and sorcerers and sexually
immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.”
What does it mean to believe in vain?Warnings in conditional “IF” verses
1 Corinthians 15:1-2 ● “Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel
… by which you are saved, IF you hold fast that word which I preached to you -
unless you believed in vain.”
What did Jesus tell His disciples in verses 15-16 in the very same discourse? A discourse given after Judas left the group to betray Christ.Warnings about failing to remain in Jesus and produce fruit
John 15:1-10 ● “I am the true grapevine, and My Father is the gardener.
He (Father God) cuts off every branch of Mine (Jesus) that doesn’t produce fruit,
… Anyone who does not remain in Me is thrown away like a useless branch and withers.
Such branches are gathered into a pile to be burned.”
Not a warning but a statement of fact. Jesus is telling them this is what it means to be a disciple.Warnings about not loving and obeying Jesus
John 14:15-23 ● “If you love Me, keep My commandments …
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me
… If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him,
and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
He who does not love Me does not keep My words”
Once again not a warning for those who have faith. Once again comparing the unbelievers from those who believe. “But we are not of those who draw back to perdition.” I believe the previous verses dealt with apostasy. The Jews in the church were going back to Old Covenant sacrifices and thus adding to the Perfect Atonement.Warnings about falling away from the faith
Hebrews 10:36-39 ● “ ‘Now the just shall live by faith;
but IF anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.’
But we are not of those who draw back to perdition”
Great ... are you a child of the devil?
Sadly, I can ask this of almost anyone.
My security is in Christ Jesus, Who is eternal, not my own act of faith.In the NT, there is a wide variety of warning-types against eternal security.
After all, variety is the spice of life!
Please forgive me for only posting one example for each warning-type.
Warnings about losing eternal life
Luke 9:23-25 ● “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself,
and take up his cross daily, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will
lose it (eternal life), but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it.
For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world,
and is himself destroyed or lost (eternally)?”
Warnings about gaining eternal death
Romans 6:16-23 ● “… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves)
of sin leading to (eternal) death, or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness”
Warnings about being shut out of the kingdom of God
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ● “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit
the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters,
nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous,
nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.”
Warnings about being shut out of the New Jerusalem
Revelation 22:14-15 ● “Blessed are those who do His commandments,
that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through
the gates of the city. But outside are the dogs and sorcerers and sexually
immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.”
Warnings about being blotted out of the Book of Life
Revelation 3:5 ● “He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments,
and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life”
Please note: the “overcomer” of 1 John 5:4-5 only overcomes “the world”,
which is the world of unbelievers in John’s writings!
Warnings about NOT being an overcomer
Revelation 21:7-8 ● “He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his
God and he will be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers,
sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the
lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Please note: in Revelation 3:21, Jesus defines who an “overcomer” is!
Warnings in conditional “IF” verses
1 Corinthians 15:1-2 ● “Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel
… by which you are saved, IF you hold fast that word which I preached to you -
unless you believed in vain.”
Warnings about failing to remain in Jesus and produce fruit
John 15:1-10 ● “I am the true grapevine, and My Father is the gardener.
He (Father God) cuts off every branch of Mine (Jesus) that doesn’t produce fruit,
… Anyone who does not remain in Me is thrown away like a useless branch and withers.
Such branches are gathered into a pile to be burned.”
Warnings about not loving and obeying Jesus
John 14:15-23 ● “If you love Me, keep My commandments …
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me
… If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him,
and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
He who does not love Me does not keep My words”
Warnings about falling away from the faith
Hebrews 10:36-39 ● “ ‘Now the just shall live by faith;
but IF anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.’
But we are not of those who draw back to perdition”
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