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10-31 Every Year...

Discussion in '"My Two Cents Worth"' started by Jesus Lives. John 20:29, Oct 17, 2019.

Should Christians celebrate the 31st of this month?

  1. yes

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  2. of course not

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  3. with good intention

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  4. if Christianized (compromise)

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  1. public hermit

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    Fair enough. If you feel the need to refrain I honor that.
     
  2. GACfan

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    I personally just chalk it up to sanctimonious preaching by another Christian and leave it at that. The fact is, Christians having been Christianizing and claiming pagan holidays for thousands of years and Halloween isn't any different. Despite all the scriptures that were tossed out there in some attempt to validate the OP's own personal beliefs (as if that ended the argument), the two following verses about Christians celebrating non-Christian holidays were missing or perhaps conveniently left out of the mix.

    Romans 14:5: "One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind."

    Colossians 2:16: "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day."
     
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  3. Jesus Lives. John 20:29

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  4. SarahsKnight

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    As you said above, @Jesus Lives. John 20:29 - Have a blessed night. Jesus loves you.

    I am quite aware that Jesus loves me, and I am thankful for that. I can believe in nothing else.

    I just will not condemn anyone who doesn't pay an actual lick of attention to whatever true Satanist origins Halloween might actually have and are simply celebrating a holiday that most folks have grown accustomed to in the mere dressing up as Peter Pan or a cartoonish depiction of the Grim Reaper and going door to door asking for a fun-sized Snickers bar.

    Even other Christians argue that there are pagan origins in the holidays of Easter and Christmas that had nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Is that what we should be concerned about when we ourselves observe those days in any way? Or does God know our hearts better than that when we use those times to say "yes, thank you God for sending your Son to be born among us as a human who feels our infirmities, weaknesses, and temptations to evil for us, and died for those sins and rose again so that we too may one day live and be forgiven for the sins that have led us to death and destruction"?

    For the record, I myself have not celebrated Halloween in any way as far as I can remember since the 6th grade. I just don't care about it. It has nothing to do with me thinking that Satan is out on the prowl capturing the souls of little children and dragging them to Gehenna when they innocently thought that they were just getting a free night to dress up as a Nintendo mascot and score some free candy bars.
     
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  5. Jesus Lives. John 20:29

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    No need to refrain just so many that just want to be negative instead of just considering to even think or search if it is true. It hurts to see that many are quick to get upset when I am only stating facts. I can only imagine how God must feel. it is actually in His word but i am no one compared to God. And if its one thing I know is that God does not tread on the free will that every human has. choice. so many should instead of spreading negativity, allow those who want to know and who want to get close to God do so and they who don't just step aside instead of being dramatic. I do apologize if it came across as me wanting to refrain.
     
  6. public hermit

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    I meant if you want to refrain from Oct. 31st activities.

    I appreciate what you're doing and I truly believe your heart is in the right place. Like I said, I honor that.
     
  7. Jesus Lives. John 20:29

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    I appreciate your reply. I don't go by carnal thinking I base what I have learned through the Holy Spirit and The Living WORD. I come from a background of those things yet I see no problem with letting them go. I am not prideful to say it is no harm cause God knows our heart. That He does but why not pray on the night children(human) sacrifice is most active. Many parents have lost their children or had them taken according to witches for such a time as that, yet while you enjoy your snickers while they are in tears or suffering. If you are afraid of the truth I understand but God has not given us the spirit of fear. What if you visit one home and a spell was cast on your candy. its just vain participation. giving vain opportunity. God just warns. from the costumes themselves to the jack o lantern, there are dark spiritual possibilities invited. why play with fire? all it takes is one time to get burnt. and once something happens then people want to call on God. why not seek Him on that night and pray against the evil that is out to be there for those who need saints to intervene through prayer. why not make it a night of prayer instead of being like the world that we should not be like because we are not of this world. that is scripture as well. Yes God sent His son to die for us but that does not mean we can do as we please and then say oh well Jesus died so I wont go to hell for this. That's cold on the human part. Yes and Christmas has nothing to do with Christ. why do you think they have made it xmas. its a mass thing. you have the same access obviously to search and seek sources to confirm. All i know is if God said don't do it I am not going to. we are not alone. many have been spiritually awoken to these things and so many deeper things. there are so many secrets in the Holy Spirit reveals its a beautiful experience for those who are receptive. it is endless. we are to fill the gaps for those in need not feed the greed of those getting rich off the pegan holiday. but hey, not everyone wants truth. Be blessed.
     
  8. Jesus Lives. John 20:29

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    not conveniently left out in fact There are more than that yet no one should have to rewrite the Bible for everyone every time. everyone can freely seek more scripture or actually read the WORD for themselves don't you think. or at least they should. then again if they did this would not be made a debate by many. :amen:
     
  9. SarahsKnight

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    I do not try to avoid sin and evil out of fear of "going to hell". That is the wrong reason to want to please God or do good for Him as far as I am concerned. Where is the love in the relationship we are commanded to seek with God, in that case? That we love Him only to avoid any kind of punishment otherwise? All I see there is the very fear you yourself said in your post that we should not have the spirit of.

    And again, for the record, I do not participate in Halloween in any way. I just don't condemn those who do when it is clear they aren't doing anything to show a love of Satan or witchcraft in any way.
     
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    Why I am a Christian who believes that conditional immortality - that only believers in Christ will truly have immortality and never die - is in far more alignment with Scripture than the traditional teaching in most churches of inherently immortal souls that live forever in a Dante's Inferno-like hell of eternally-ongoing tortures, for example. Because I read Scripture for myself (without Plato's and Augustine's sheer presumption that human souls are immortal no matter what, mind you) instead of just believing whatever other Christian teachers might say from the pulpit.
     
  11. Paulos23

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    Phrases like this is why I roll my eyes at many Christian's. Mostly because it is followed by some version of you are going to hell. Which is of putting whether it is ment in love or not.

    I would recommend you just live your life they way you think it should be, and then through that example, show Christ's love. You are coming off poorly right now, and your Christ is showing poorly as well.
     
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  12. ArmenianJohn

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    Just curious, but do you celebrate the 4th of July, or Memorial Day, or Veteran's Day, or honor the victims of 9/11, or honor our military veterans in any way, or celebrate America in any way? Do you celebrate either Christmas or Easter in any way?
     
  13. ArmenianJohn

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    But you speak with a spirit of fear, you sound very afraid of Halloween. What power does Halloween have over you or anyone else?

    As Christians we're immune to demonic power. Do you feel vulnerable to "dark spiritual possibilities"? Or are you in God's hand and unable to be plucked from it? Do you think God will fail to protect you from dark spiritual forces? I don't; I know I'm protected. I can't see how giving candy to a kid dressed as Yoda invites dark spiritual forces, though. Please tell me about the "spells", LOL. I don't believe in "spells". I'm a Christian. "Spells" are imaginary nonsense, how can any Christian believe in such things to begin with, and even if a Christian believes, how can they think they are subject to them?

    Do you carry US cash money with you ever? If so, why are you playing with fire? Why don't you look at all the sigils and talismans and emblems on that - why are you playing with fire by keeping that on you? Well, the reason why you and others don't worry about that, or about "Thursday" being actually "Thor's day", or January being the month of false god Janus, is because all those things have no power or meaning, ESPECIALLY to those of us who are Christians and know the Truth. If you choose to be frightened by those things then you are choosing ignorance and superstition over the Truth you're supposed to know.

    By singling out Halloween it is clear that you're looking for something to be superstitious about. US cash bills have much more dark and demonic symbols and talismans on them. Why not worry about that? Why not worry about Americans who are patriotic to a country that has obelisks, domes, and other architecture that glorifies Satan? Instead, you chose Halloween, a silly child's "holiday" (not observed by any banks or government) to be worried about. I have to question your discernment entirely.

    Every night is a night of prayer, why would that night be any different? Or I guess for you it's the night you make a "night of prayer" because your other nights aren't? For me every morning, day, and night are "of prayer" - I pray constantly. Mostly thanking God for what I have and practicing gratitude to Him for everything all day long. I rarely pray about being scared of Satan though because it would feel like I'm insulting Him to even think to be afraid of what He has promised to protect me from.

    So why aren't you searching and seeking sources and confirming? Christmas has everything to do with Christ's incarnation as a man. It is a Christian observance. "X" is the first initial in Χριστός (Christos) which is Greek for "Christ". "Xmas" = "Christmas". I can understand if people would rather not give a wrong idea and use the full spelling of "Christmas" but to wholly condemn the use of "Xmas" as though it's part of some demonic plot to undermine Christmas is silly. And then you go on to say that Christmas is pagan anyway, when in fact it is NOT. Where do you get your information? Only pagan sources make that claim and here you are spreading their false narrative about Christianity.

    What deeper spiritual things are you "awakened" to? If it's spirituality that is not revealed by God in His Word then it's occultic (i.e. "hidden") and that makes you an occultist. You are claiming extra-Biblical spiritual knowledge. Is that what you believe, that you have knowledge outside of what God's Word has told us? Are you a prophet of sorts? Because if that's your claim then I reject it. I believe God and His Word which says that you can't be a true prophet.

    Feel free to provide actual proof of holidays like Christmas being "pagan" (note correct spelling).

    As for your closing "Be Blessed", that is a common wish used by witches and others involved in the occult. I would prefer a brother or sister in Christ to close "In Jesus" or "In Him" or something that affirms Christ rather than a common occultist's salutation.
     
  14. ArmenianJohn

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    Well the actual name is Passover but nothing wrong with the name or traditions you're presenting here as they are in line with the Biblical account and honor the Lord's death, burial, and Resurrection and that the redemption therein. We are not bound to a set ritual but rather as Christians we are in liberty to honor the Lord as long as we do so in accordance with what's right by His Word.
     
  15. SarahsKnight

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    Off-putting to say the least. It's the preachy version of "no offense, but ...."
     
  16. loveofourlord

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    This reminds me of the people that think yoga is satanic just because hindu's do it and such, doing something doesn't make it satanic or evil and such regardless of it's origins.
     
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    Up there with my favorite, "I will pray for you." AKA I know your wrong and pray yo will find the truth before too late."
     
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  19. ViaCrucis

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    You mean the Eve of All Saints Day, or Reformation Day? Because I celebrate both.

    The Triduum of Allhallowstide (Halloween, All Saints Day, and All Souls Day) is part of the Western Christian Calendar. In the East they instead celebrate the Synaxis of All the Saints on the first Sunday after Pentecost, which was also practiced in (at least some parts of) the West during the middle ages until the Feast of All Saints was moved to November 1st. Actually in the West there was no universal standard, and so there were several different days, depending on location, when All Saints was observed. But the move to November 1st occurred in the late middle ages, beginning around Rome, in honor of the anniversary of when Pope Gregory consecrated the Oratory of All the Saints.

    I also enjoy the secular aspects of Halloween--candy, pumpkins, the silly spooky-scary stuff. All those things are just silly fluff aimed primarily for children--for the same reason we give kids chocolate on Easter basically.

    The opposition some Christians have toward Halloween is a recent phenomenon, beginning around the late 1960's. Anton LeVeye, the founder of the Church of Satan, in an attempt to rile up religious fundamentalists decided to claim Halloween as some kind of Satanist thing--he did it purely to annoy and troll certain Christians. And it worked, Evangelical response tended to start to treat Halloween as something "evil", even though it's not. And throughout the 1970's and 80's a whole slew of charlatans (such as John Todd and Mike Warnke) began touring churches making all kinds of bogus claims to enrich themselves. Then the Satanic Panic of the 1980's came, which only exasperated matters, in spite of the fact that all claims, rumors, and urban legends were false and no credible evidence for any of the claims ever existed.

    Long story short, the only reason some Christians have a problem with Halloween today is because of several decades of propaganda.

    Here are some facts:

    1. No, Halloween is not based on the ancient Pagan observance of Samhain. The simple fact of the matter is that we don't know much of anything about the ancient Celtic celebration of Samhain, all our information comes from later Christian legends written hundreds of years after Ireland had been converted and from pure conjecture. So the absolute most that could be said about Samhain was that it may have been an ancient Irish Celtic harvest festival, and that the Irish pagans believed that during such periods the boundary between our world and the fairy-world was thinner.

    2. Following this, no, human sacrifice never was a thing. This idea comes to us from the writings of Julius Caesar, Caesar in his writings about his conquests of Gaul were that the Gallic Druids practiced human sacrifice. However, it was pretty standard for the Romans to claim that non-Roman societies practiced awful barbaric rites in order to justify the subjugation of those cultures and to promote the belief in the superiority of Roman civilization. In other words, this was likely Roman propaganda. And further, it has literally nothing to do with Halloween, as we've already covered that Halloween has nothing (and never did have anything) to do with Celtic Paganism.

    3. Modern day Satanists have Halloween as important to them only because, as already noted, Anton LeVeye was a childish troll. As a rule I don't let Satanists dictate how I live my life, and I don't think other Christians should either.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
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    Addendum: The reason I didn't answer the poll is that the question asks if a Christian should celebrate. That word "should" is kind of strange. It's like asking should a Christian eat pizza, or should a Christian play baseball. There's really no "should" about it, there's no imperative for a Christian to do so, but a Christian is entirely free to choose what they eat or how they enjoy their leisure time.

    May a Christian celebrate Halloween (and I mean here the secular aspects of Halloween) with freedom of conscience? Yes, of course.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
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