NIV said:I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
So... what's the deal?
NIV said:I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
So... what's the deal?
But I do not allow a woman to teach
Er, uh, I don't see your logic.I think women can teach men in the church
It would help if you don't drop off half a verse. It's not simply, "not allow to teach" - there's the phrase "over a man" that you're leaving off. It's authority over men that is forbidden. Now, I don't know if the Greek sentence structure allows for the phrase "over a man" to be extend back to the "teaching" part or not - but that is what Ebedmelech is saying.Er, uh, I don't see your logic.
"Then the disciples came and said to Him, Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this statement?" - Mt.15:12. Jesus said a lot of things that some found deplorable. He just kept on preaching.In all honesty, I really am liking this book less and less. Everything you just said is deplorable.
Hi thereEr, uh, I don't see your logic.
In all honesty, I really am liking this book less and less. Everything you just said is deplorable.
You are only interested in hearing what you want to hear. You will not accept an answer that doesn't tickle your ears. The Bible says not lean on our own understanding, but to trust in the Lord.Interesting. Also far less horrifying than the other responses. I'm really curious as to why Paul says that at all then.
Paul gave his reasons for what he said. Its because man was created first and it was the woman who was deceived in the transgression, not the man. No matter what culture you live in, no matter what church you go to, those facts remain the same.At that time, Jews were subject under Roman law, and Roman law did not permit women to speak or teach publicly.
Also, this was the first time women had even been allowed into the temple to learn. They had many questions - were encouraged to wait until they were back home to ask their questions so as to not disrupt the services too often.
Another point in this passage pertains to the women's dress. At that time, the women in this region were very fashionable and would wear layers of multicolored fabric and put lots of shells and combs in their hair. It was a sort of badge of honor/fashion show and was distracting from what was truly important - the condition of the soul.
In this same letter, Paul also admonishes the men. He tells them to stop gawking at the women, to stop gossiping and to do an honest day's work.
Everyone; men and women alike, were given some constructive criticism in this letter.
I'm interested in hearing whatever the truth is. Being horrified by it doesn't mean I don't hear it.You are only interested in hearing what you want to hear. You will not accept an answer that doesn't tickle your ears. The Bible says not lean on our own understanding, but to trust in the Lord.
I cant post a link because I dont yet have 50 post or greater, but go to gotquestions.org and search women pastors.
I honestly don't understand how people can believe this kind of stuff. I'm really trying here, but this isn't right.Paul gave his reasons for what he said. Its because man was created first and it was the woman who was deceived in the transgression, not the man. No matter what culture you live in, no matter what church you go to, those facts remain the same.
versesvsvices said:I'm interested in hearing whatever the truth is. Being horrified by it doesn't mean I don't hear it.
Look, I can't follow a religion just because it's popular and I'm being threatened with hell. There are plenty of religions out there, and they all claim to be the one true religion. Christianity has to speak to me, to tell me it's true, for me to have the ability to believe it. Otherwise, what's the point? Do Christians follow this religion because it speaks to them as true, or because it's one of the only two religions that threaten people with hell? I don't think that "faith" based in only fear of a threat is faith at all.
I honestly don't understand how people can believe this kind of stuff. I'm really trying here, but this isn't right.
Keep searchingI'm interested in hearing whatever the truth is. Being horrified by it doesn't mean I don't hear it.
Look, I can't follow a religion just because it's popular and I'm being threatened with hell. There are plenty of religions out there, and they all claim to be the one true religion. Christianity has to speak to me, to tell me it's true, for me to have the ability to believe it. Otherwise, what's the point? Do Christians follow this religion because it speaks to them as true, or because it's one of the only two religions that threaten people with hell? I don't think that "faith" based in only fear of a threat is faith at all.
I honestly don't understand how people can believe this kind of stuff. I'm really trying here, but this isn't right.
You have a very rebellious heart and shame on you for that. Learn to submit to your maker. You are here because you are seeking. God is not going bend truth to fit your way of thinking....you are going to have to change your way of thinking to align with God.I'm interested in hearing whatever the truth is. Being horrified by it doesn't mean I don't hear it.
Look, I can't follow a religion just because it's popular and I'm being threatened with hell. There are plenty of religions out there, and they all claim to be the one true religion. Christianity has to speak to me, to tell me it's true, for me to have the ability to believe it. Otherwise, what's the point? Do Christians follow this religion because it speaks to them as true, or because it's one of the only two religions that threaten people with hell? I don't think that "faith" based in only fear of a threat is faith at all.
I honestly don't understand how people can believe this kind of stuff. I'm really trying here, but this isn't right.
If you are serious about this "christian" thing send me a private message and lets talk about it.I'm interested in hearing whatever the truth is. Being horrified by it doesn't mean I don't hear it.
Look, I can't follow a religion just because it's popular and I'm being threatened with hell. There are plenty of religions out there, and they all claim to be the one true religion. Christianity has to speak to me, to tell me it's true, for me to have the ability to believe it. Otherwise, what's the point? Do Christians follow this religion because it speaks to them as true, or because it's one of the only two religions that threaten people with hell? I don't think that "faith" based in only fear of a threat is faith at all.
I honestly don't understand how people can believe this kind of stuff. I'm really trying here, but this isn't right.