1 Enoch solar year is 360 days

[David Lamb]

Yeh i don't think i ever learned a thing from reading commentaries. reading the bible increases faith or audiobook. also studying Genesis and creationism helps increase faith well it did for me.

I agree with what you say about Creationism. The commentaries I use tend to take a Creationist stand.

 

[samaus123456789]

nice. well pray God shows you the truth about 1 Enoch and when reading or listening to it pay attention to the lord of spirits (God the father), and all the son of man (Jesus the son) prophecies. The son of man in 1 Enoch existed before creation with the lord of spirits. Like John says in the beginning was the word , and the word was with God, and the word was God. 1 Enoch is not satanic. It has some of the strongest prophecies about Jesus in all the OT.

 

[David Lamb]

nice. well pray God shows you the truth about 1 Enoch and when reading or listening to it pay attention to the lord of spirits (God the father), and all the son of man (Jesus the son) prophecies. The son of man in 1 Enoch existed before creation with the lord of spirits. Like John says in the beginning was the word , and the word was with God, and the word was God. 1 Enoch is not satanic. It has some of the strongest prophecies about Jesus in all the OT.

The Son of God existed before creation, as you say, and that is clearly taught in John's gospel. Why go to a book that neither the Jews nor the church considers Scripture?

 

[tharkun73]

Whether Enoch is inspired scripture or not is irrelevant. It is a useful book to establish the context of the NT world and writers and what they were reading and thinking about during those times. The fact that it's quoted in scripture speaks to it's importance to the Israelite community.

 

[samaus123456789]

The Son of God existed before creation, as you say, and that is clearly taught in John's gospel. Why go to a book that neither the Jews nor the church considers Scripture?

Jesus defined 1 Enoch as scripture. Josephus, a Judean (someone that lives in Judea aka Jew) writing 100 AD who may or may not of been Christian, and never claimed to be writing inspired scripture gives a list of books OT Jews held in high regard, and it was Genesis to Malachi aka the protestant OT 39 books. Problem is Jude, an OT Jew considered Enoch a prophet so there are problems with his statement. DSS say Abraham read the book of Enoch to some people to cheer them up. I choose Jesus definition of scripture not Josephus.

Whether Enoch is inspired scripture or not is irrelevant. It is a useful book to establish the context of the NT world and writers and what they were reading and thinking about during those times. The fact that it's quoted in scripture speaks to it's importance to the Israelite community.

Might as well say the entire bible is not relevant if it is inspired or not but is still useful. Anyone can believe whatever they want. I will go with Jesus definition of scripture. 1 Enoch was written by Enoch 7th from Adam not some liar 300 BC

 

[David Lamb]

Jesus defined 1 Enoch as scripture.

Where? He didn't even mention 1 Enoch.

Josephus, a Judean (someone that lives in Judea aka Jew) writing 100 AD who may or may not of been Christian, and never claimed to be writing inspired scripture gives a list of books OT Jews held in high regard, and it was Genesis to Malachi aka the protestant OT 39 books. Problem is Jude, an OT Jew considered Enoch a prophet so there are problems with his statement. DSS say Abraham read the book of Enoch to some people to cheer them up. I choose Jesus definition of scripture not Josephus.

But Jesus did not "define scripture," by listing the books Scripture should contain.

Might as well say the entire bible is not relevant if it is inspired or not but is still useful. Anyone can believe whatever they want. I will go with Jesus definition of scripture. 1 Enoch was written by Enoch 7th from Adam not some liar 300 BC

 

[Aldebaran]

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[JSRG]

There are no instances where Jesus is recorded as quoting or referring to the Book of Enoch in the Gospels or other New Testament writings.

The thing people normally try to appeal to as evidence of Enoch being scriptural according to Jesus is this portion of Matthew 22:29-32:

"But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, since you do not understand the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.31 But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God: 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”"

The claim goes that Jesus is referring to Enoch here, as Jesus refers to "the Scriptures" and then says something ("For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.") that's similar to a portion of the Book of Enoch. Namely, in 1 Enoch 15:6-7, we read:

"But you, formerly, were spiritual, living an eternal, immortal life, for all the generations of the world. For this reason I did not arrange wives for you; because the dwelling of the spiritual ones is in Heaven."

Another part of Enoch I've seen appealed to is 1 Enoch 51:4, which says:

"And in those days, the mountains will leap like rams, and the hills will skip like lambs satisfied with milk, and all will become Angels in Heaven."

The obvious problem we run into is that Jesus is not quoting either of these. There are some similar sentiments, but these aren't quotes. This would therefore, at most, say that 1 Enoch is theologically correct on these specific matters.

As for the fact Jesus refers to "the Scriptures", there is no need to try to read 1 Enoch into this, because Jesus does offer scriptures quite explicitly in Exodus 3:6 quote. Notably, that quote is preceded with "have you not read what was spoken to you by God" to indicate it is scripture, which is not found in the earlier portion about people being like angels and not marrying.

 

[Paul4JC]

It takes more effort to not see the clear allusions to 1 Enoch by Peter and Jude than to see them. Then again, if one has not read 1 Enoch, he/she will say, "what allusions"?

Sure, there may be a few scribal errors, but 1 Enoch gives all the science of creation before science even existed. Not bad for something possibly 5 centuries old (though solid proof is to 3 BCE).

Zen Garcia has a. Enochian Calendar